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  1. To also clarify, I'm not a "boomer". I'm in Gen X. I'm not a millennial hater or Gen Z zoomer hater, but I have seen first hand a disturbing trend develop in the last few years. It should come as a warning in some ways to the Gen Z that is entering the work force or hasn't been in it all that long. Gen X and now some of the older millennials are the ones that are ultimately doing the hiring. The disturbing trend, mostly developed in the last couple years and has been driven by super low unemployment and a lot of fantasy world economic conditions is driving Gen Z to have an unsustainable and highly unrealistic view of the workplace. When all of this turns, and it absolutely will as it always has in the past, Gen Z is going to suffer the most. Gen X and older millennials are going to be a lot more hesitant to hire what they see as a workforce that is detached from reality.
  2. To give an example, stuff like this actually helps and will lead to better pay / hours / benefits.... "Hey, we are contributing in a big way to these films or shws. We need to be compensated accordingly. Our workers want to have more sustainable hours. We would like XYZ specific benefits and here is why". Here is what won't help in the long run. It might get some Twitter likes and such, but it will ring hollow.... "People are straight up collapsing! Workers are passing out right and left! These are slave conditions!" None of that helps and the unfortunate end result is they will see the workers ultimately as unreasonable to the point they can't negotiate with them and will move production. It's happened a thousand times before and will happen again.
  3. I can and will make statements, they are called opinions. You guys don't have to like them. It didn't stop a whole lot of people giving their personal opinion (mostly personally insulting) about me. Anyways, the point is and was "be careful how far you push this" with the "straight up collapse of exhaustion" and similar statements that just aren't going to win anyone over in the long run. In fact, they end up hurting way more than helping in the long run. Fight for more money, fight for better hours, benefits and all that, but don't use flat out hyperbole to get it.
  4. I responded back after half a dozen posters insulted me personally. Why did they do this? Because I pointed out that VFX artists aren't exactly underpaid and overworked to the degree that themselves and others try to make them out to be. I insulted not a single person on here. I discussed a topic that was being discussed. If you don't like what I had to say, that is one thing, but I broke no rules on this forum. Sorry.
  5. That sounds good and everything, but it simply isn't reality. The business won't die, it will just adjust and leave behind the workers for new workers. Again, this is exactly what happened to the auto industry. The unions pushed and pushed for decades until they got so over their skis that it was unsustainable and they simply moved the factories to find workers that were undervalued and could produce the same (and often times a much better) product for a sustainable cost.
  6. Hey, you were the one that went out of your way to insult me personally. I did no such thing to you, so maybe you are the one with the issue.
  7. Also, another reality and possibility is that eventually all of these streaming billions will dry up and the economy will eventually turn and there won't be nearly as many productions. The VFX market will be flooded with people out of work, wages and benefits will drop and there will be a desperation in the air trying to get a job in that industry. This all isn't a post saying that workers shouldn't want more money and the best conditions they can get, but like everything there is a delicate balance. Beware how far the boundaries are pushed. For you younger people, go look up the history of the auto industry in Detroit and find out how pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing the envelope for more and more and more can lead to the collapse of an industry and how companies will adjust to find a more viable labor market.
  8. A billion times this. Anyone that is older and had gay friends that had to hide who they were in the 80's and 90's and before can absolutely agree that kids now are so much better off than what you and those other poor kids had to go through back then.
  9. Here, I will respond to this point as well. I'm not arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through, but I'm pointing out that anyone calling them some of the silly things we have seen them called on here is pretty absurd. "Overworked to complete exhaustion" is a perfect example. Only people who have never actually been worked to complete exhaustion would actually make this statement about a VFX artist. Oh honey, when the time comes when a lot of you will actually find out what being worked to complete exhaustion really means, it isn't going to be a fun day and those people will realize just how good they had it.
  10. This really is the only point worth responding to, but the larger point is for most of you 20 somethings, YOU don't have a clue what you are actually "going through" when it comes to the topic of work and working conditions. None of you have ever even lived through a tough economic time as a working adult. That is just a fact. You got the benefit of a propped up economy for a bunch of reasons. The sad thing is, as you admit in your post, is that you think it will just continue this way. I don't blame you I guess, you kids don't know any better. Just remember to come back to this post when the time comes and admit that Ol' Grandpa EC was right.
  11. You aren't the first generation to have had active shooter drills. In case you forgot, Columbine happened in the 90's. Want to talk about being a LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid back in the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's? It was a billion times tougher and you got the shit kicked out of you and mocked endlessly and called all sorts of horrible names. In fact, you couldn't even come out in those days for fear of being completely ostracized from society. Hell, they hadn't even allowed a same sex kiss on TV until Ellen had the stones to finally do it, and that was in the late 90's. You think LGBTQ or POC kids have it tougher now in 2022 than before? Go ask an older African-American how growing up black in the United States in the 60's and 70's was for them.
  12. Hey, I agree and will, but they sometimes need a reality check. All these posters in their 20's, even the absolute oldest ones, were 15 years old when the 2008 shitstorm happened. Many of them were barely 10 years old. None of them have experienced an economy where it is hard to get a job. None of them have experienced an economy where it is hard to get a loan or operate without the government sending you a check when times are tough. Nearly all of them work jobs that don't require any actual hard labor. I hope they enjoy the good times, because the bad times aren't fun and the good times never ever last.
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