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  1. To also clarify, I'm not a "boomer".  I'm in Gen X.  I'm not a millennial hater or Gen Z zoomer hater, but I have seen first hand a disturbing trend develop in the last few years.  

     

    It should come as a warning in some ways to the Gen Z that is entering the work force or hasn't been in it all that long.  Gen X and now some of the older millennials are the ones that are ultimately doing the hiring.  The disturbing trend, mostly developed in the last couple years and has been driven by super low unemployment and a lot of fantasy world economic conditions is driving Gen Z to have an unsustainable and highly unrealistic view of the workplace. 

     

    When all of this turns, and it absolutely will as it always has in the past, Gen Z is going to suffer the most.  Gen X and older millennials are going to be a lot more hesitant to hire what they see as a workforce that is detached from reality.  

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  2. To give an example, stuff like this actually helps and will lead to better pay / hours / benefits.... "Hey, we are contributing in a big way to these films or shws.  We need to be compensated accordingly.  Our workers want to have more sustainable hours.  We would like XYZ specific benefits and here is why". 

     

    Here is what won't help in the long run.  It might get some Twitter likes and such, but it will ring hollow.... "People are straight up collapsing!  Workers are passing out right and left!  These are slave conditions!"  

     

    None of that helps and the unfortunate end result is they will see the workers ultimately as unreasonable to the point they can't negotiate with them and will move production.  

     

    It's happened a thousand times before and will happen again.  

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  3. Just now, JustLurking said:

    But what is your point in all this? They shouldn't complain because the industry might screw over them even harder otherwise? That the same industry that pays insane amounts to stars couldn't be sustainable if the working conditions for VFX artists were better? That it's not so bad, they get to do a lil passion job instead of unloading cargo at the docks?

     

    Do you know how many of these people are out there breaking their backs, working absurd hours for little wage, and they can't even say shit because when they do they'll get blacklisted and be out of a job? If this even slightly mirrors stuff we've seen in the animation industry, some of them probably straight up collapse of exhaustation. So don't come here and tell people that they shouldn't ask for more. We should be helping them have a voice instead of telling them to keep it quieter.

     

    You make such sweeping statements about people not knowing what they're talking about yet you're willing to be so judgemental of people you don't even know, you don't know their struggles, you don't know how rough they have it. If they need better working conditions, you don't get to decide they don't all on your own.

     

    I can and will make statements, they are called opinions.  You guys don't have to like them.

     

    It didn't stop a whole lot of people giving their personal opinion (mostly personally insulting) about me. 

     

    Anyways, the point is and was "be careful how far you push this" with the "straight up collapse of exhaustion" and similar statements that just aren't going to win anyone over in the long run.  In fact, they end up hurting way more than helping in the long run.  

     

    Fight for more money, fight for better hours, benefits and all that, but don't use flat out hyperbole to get it.  

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  4. Just now, M37 said:


    I didn’t realize it was even possible to fit that much condescension into a single post 

     

    It’s not even worth trying to refute each individual piece of nonsense, because it’s clear the warped worldview is has long since hardened, snd it’d be like arguing with a brick wall 

     

    If your contempt is the asking price for getting early numbers and other bits of info, then I’ll survive without them. So long EC

     

    The Office Boomer GIF by MOODMAN

     

    I responded back after half a dozen posters insulted me personally.  

     

    Why did they do this?  Because I pointed out that VFX artists aren't exactly underpaid and overworked to the degree that themselves and others try to make them out to be.  

     

    I insulted not a single person on here.  I discussed a topic that was being discussed.  

     

    If you don't like what I had to say, that is one thing, but I broke no rules on this forum.  Sorry.  

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  5. Just now, JustLurking said:

    If a business can only survive by exploiting its workers then it deserves to die, you can't tell people to just shut up and take it so you get to keep watching films at the same rate.

     

    That sounds good and everything, but it simply isn't reality.  The business won't die, it will just adjust and leave behind the workers for new workers.  

     

    Again, this is exactly what happened to the auto industry.  The unions pushed and pushed for decades until they got so over their skis that it was unsustainable and they simply moved the factories to find workers that were undervalued and could produce the same (and often times a much better) product for a sustainable cost.  

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  6. 6 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

    Alright finally putting this nitwit on ignore (not mentioning him but everyone knows who I am talking about). I'll take the threadban or warning points or whatever mods but I just want this guy to know that he is a fucking pompous idiot who think he can say the most egotistical shit just because he gives some good insider info sometimes. Very few people, if any, actually like you on here man.

     

    Hey, you were the one that went out of your way to insult me personally.  I did no such thing to you, so maybe you are the one with the issue.  

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  7. 2 minutes ago, krla said:

    This is a good thing. As workers opt out, companies have to raise wages and benefits, and offer more attractive work/life balance to tempt workers back.

     

    The thing working against VFX artists is that people will go see a big blockbuster that has crappy CGI. That would suggest that 'great' CGI doesn't have as much value as VFX artists believe. Which means VFX artists have less value than they believe.

     

    Also, another reality and possibility is that eventually all of these streaming billions will dry up and the economy will eventually turn and there won't be nearly as many productions.  The VFX market will be flooded with people out of work, wages and benefits will drop and there will be a desperation in the air trying to get a job in that industry.  

     

    This all isn't a post saying that workers shouldn't want more money and the best conditions they can get, but like everything there is a delicate balance.  Beware how far the boundaries are pushed.  

     

    For you younger people, go look up the history of the auto industry in Detroit and find out how pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing the envelope for more and more and more can lead to the collapse of an industry and how companies will adjust to find a more viable labor market.  

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  8. 1 minute ago, Chaz said:

    School shootings are extremely rare and have actually decreased from their peak a few years back. 
     

    I was a gay kid in Louisiana in the days before Ellen and Will and Grace. Something tells me they’re way better off now than I was, lol.

     

    A billion times this.  Anyone that is older and had gay friends that had to hide who they were in the 80's and 90's and before can absolutely agree that kids now are so much better off than what you and those other poor kids had to go through back then.  

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  9. 6 minutes ago, datpepper said:

     

    This is a point I'm just confused by. Are you arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through? If so, that's a pretty wild assessment. What's wrong with good working conditions with good pay where you're not overworked to complete exhaustion? Suddenly that's asking for too much when not everyone got that "back in your day"?

     

    Here, I will respond to this point as well.  I'm not arguing that these are working conditions people should be put through, but I'm pointing out that anyone calling them some of the silly things we have seen them called on here is pretty absurd.  

     

    "Overworked to complete exhaustion" is a perfect example.  Only people who have never actually been worked to complete exhaustion would actually make this statement about a VFX artist.  Oh honey, when the time comes when a lot of you will actually find out what being worked to complete exhaustion really means, it isn't going to be a fun day and those people will realize just how good they had it. 

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  10. 3 minutes ago, datpepper said:

     

    Pretty sure I heard this exact same statement from somebody else about a year ago. And again a few months ago. But, I suppose we'll see.

     

    I've read quite a bit of what you've posted over the past few months, and in many of your posts you look down upon others with different opinions from yourself and you act as if you're pansophical, although this post you made I believe proves that is very much not the case. Additionally, instead of making these sweeping assumptions about people, maybe wait to get to know them individually first? You don't know what myself or anyone else on this board is going through.

     

    This really is the only point worth responding to, but the larger point is for most of you 20 somethings, YOU don't have a clue what you are actually "going through" when it comes to the topic of work and working conditions.  

     

    None of you have ever even lived through a tough economic time as a working adult.  That is just a fact.  You got the benefit of a propped up economy for a bunch of reasons.  

     

    The sad thing is, as you admit in your post, is that you think it will just continue this way.  I don't blame you I guess, you kids don't know any better.  

     

    Just remember to come back to this post when the time comes and admit that Ol' Grandpa EC was right.  

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  11. 1 minute ago, Spidey Freak said:

    Also as someone who has a friend working at one of these VFX houses who just quit his job because it wasn't worth it, the working hours are terrible, the salary is miserable and the environment tends to become increasingly toxic as pressure starts pouring down the hierarchy

     

     

    What were the hours?  What was the salary?  

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  12. 2 minutes ago, Spidey Freak said:

    Ya'll out here ranting about Gen Z "having a cushy life" when they are the first generation to have had active school shooter drills in classes and traumatized to the point of breakdown as kids with the possibility of getting shot in the middle of a Pop Quiz 🙄 And let's not even get into the additional trauma of being an LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid in MAGAland. But I guess they need to be tougher because they haven't put shingles on roofs

     

    GTFO with that bs. If you haven't helped make life easier for the next generation, then you are part of the problem. 

     

    You aren't the first generation to have had active shooter drills.  In case you forgot, Columbine happened in the 90's.  

     

    Want to talk about being a LGBT or trans kid or a POC kid back in the 60's, 70's, 80's or 90's?  It was a billion times tougher and you got the shit kicked out of you and mocked endlessly and called all sorts of horrible names.  In fact, you couldn't even come out in those days for fear of being completely ostracized from society.  Hell, they hadn't even allowed a same sex kiss on TV until Ellen had the stones to finally do it, and that was in the late 90's.  You think LGBTQ or POC kids have it tougher now in 2022 than before?  Go ask an older African-American how growing up black in the United States in the 60's and 70's was for them. 

     

     

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  13. 2 minutes ago, Chaz said:

    Wooooo lawdy. I agree, but let the young people enjoy their youth.

     

    Hey, I agree and will, but they sometimes need a reality check.  All these posters in their 20's, even the absolute oldest ones, were 15 years old when the 2008 shitstorm happened.  Many of them were barely 10 years old.  

     

    None of them have experienced an economy where it is hard to get a job.  None of them have experienced an economy where it is hard to get a loan or operate without the government sending you a check when times are tough.  Nearly all of them work jobs that don't require any actual hard labor.  

     

    I hope they enjoy the good times, because the bad times aren't fun and the good times never ever last.  

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  14. Lol, take a few hours off here and you miss a lot.  After seeing the ages of nearly everyone here, it is no wonder that this board and most of your opinions are the way they are.  

     

    The vast majority of you have never been through a truly hard work day in your lives.  Most have grown up in a fantasy land of good economics, low interest rates, plentiful jobs and cushy working conditions. Mommy and daddy have taken care of most everything and student loans took care of the rest.  Maybe you had to man a register at the local Target at some point.  

     

    All of you are in the "great resignation" generation, the generation that cries about being overworked and underpaid and very likely have never spent a day on a hot roof putting down shingles or detassiling corn in 100 degree heat or spent a summer pouring concrete to the point you pass out.  Shit that paid you $5.15 to start and maybe $8 per hour if you were lucky.  

     

    VFX artists are paid market rate and their working conditions are more than adequate.  They work on tight timelines, but they also work in air conditioned offices and have benefits and perks as well.  

     

    So many of you are in for a rude awakening when the next economic downturn truly hits, and that might be about 2-3 months away from happening.  So many that have written shitty think piece posts and made silly demands from their work while being artificially lifted up by stimulus money are going to be begging to take a job when reality kicks them in the teeth.  

     

    Get ready, it's coming.  The people who will survive it will be the people willing to work.  

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  15. 6 hours ago, Eric Odinson said:

    Zaslav's the only studio president who is pushing for longer windows. He mentioned pushing back this stuff in an interview IIRC and he's already hurting HBO Max from the inside by pulling a bunch of shows and movies with zero warning which...yeah that's pretty stupid, but I guess it shows his comittment?

     

    It's not stupid at all and it is helping, not hurting.  He stopped dumping stupid amounts of money into streaming for projects that don't give any return.  

     

    It shows he's not a moron.  

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  16. 1 hour ago, LegendaryBen said:

    https://maxblizz.com/baz-luhrmann-reveals-that-elvis-will-not-arrive-on-hbo-max-till-fall-2022/

     

    I do not know how reliable this is, but if this is true, it will not be on HBO Max on August 8. @EmpireCity, will it follow the tradition 45-day theatrical window for WB movies or will it be on later than normal?

     

    I am pretty sure that WB has fixed their error of 46 days to HBOMax.  

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