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8 minutes ago, TheFlatLannister said:
Deadpool x Wolverine (is what i'm assuming the title will ultimately be) is going to be another MoM situation: Opens too big to have meh box office returns
Agreed. Most crucial though is that I doubt this won’t deliver on the cameos fest promised. I don’t think they’ll be making that particular mistake again.
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13 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
Only if to really delivers. People are done with the ho hum CBMs. Especially in a second sequel. Not to mention X-men has never been a box office juggernaut, so let’s not get carried away with Hugh here.
Oh please, X-Men was a staple of that time, and Hugh an even bigger one. Nostalgia sells, the interest for this is so huge that even just an ok quality will make at least 800M WW, mark my words.
With that said, I don’t think they’ll let this one just have an ok reception.
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30 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:
So I don’t know if I’m making a total 180 on This Wish as a song already… but the chorus is stuck in my head today without me thinking about it consciously lol.
It’s a good Disney song to be honest.
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11 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:
Makes sense, especially since it sounds Oscar Isaac loved working on Moon Knight and him not coming back was the biggest obstacle to the character ever coming back.
Ms. Marvel coming back for a second season would be nice, I wasn’t expecting it considering how The Marvels did. Let’s see if it turns out to be true.
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50 minutes ago, Morieris said:
I follow my favorite author on Twitter and he has a small child; They liked it - and apparently it's out in Ireland too -- and honestly that seems to be the goal. Families with different standards than us online weirdo cinephiles.
Plenty of families seemingly liked it, but people are just not showing up for it, for some reason.
We can always hope for an Elemental kind of deal here, but it looks highly unlikely.
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21 minutes ago, HummingLemon496 said:
Aquaman 2 is releasing in China, but Black Adam didn't. So WW-China is the fair comparison between the two
That’s fair.
Still not 99% sure it’ll go under Black Adams sans China, but it does really look that way, which is all kinds of crazy even knowing all the good reasons for that.
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8 hours ago, Squire said:
Apart from Deadpool 3, this is the only upcoming MCU project I have some interest in. I’m mildly confident in the director and less so with the writer, but hopefully they can pull it off.
I was more intrigued when rumors said Spielberg was being courted to direct. Too bad that didn’t happen.
Oh, that would've been so interesting.
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On 7/29/2015 at 2:45 AM, CaptainJackSparrow said:
http://deadline.com/2015/07/nosferatu-the-witch-robert-eggers-studio-8-1201486438/
I can't wait! I love the original!
This could very well revive horror!
Revive horror? …Oh 2015. Funny how these things can be cyclical
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4 hours ago, Bob Train said:
Release Date Title 3-Day (FSS) Opening Low/High Range Pinpoint % Chg from Last Week Domestic Total Low/High Range Pinpoint % Chg from Last Week Distributor 12/1/2023 Godzilla Minus One $5,000,000 – $9,000,000 $9,000,000 – $18,000,000 Toho International 12/1/2023 Renaissance: A Film by Beyoncé $27,000,000 – $36,000,000 $40,000,000 – $80,000,000 AMC Theatres Distribution 12/1/2023 The Shift $3,000,000 – $7,000,000 $6,000,000 – $21,000,000 Angel Studios 12/1/2023 Silent Night $4,000,000 – $9,000,000 $10,000,000 – $27,000,000 Lionsgate 12/8/2023 The Boy and the Heron GKIDS 12/8/2023 Eileen (Wide Expansion; Platform Dec. 1) NEON 12/8/2023 Poor Things (Limited) Disney / Searchlight Pictures 12/15/2023 American Fiction (Limited) MGM / MRC 12/15/2023 Concrete Utopia (Wide Expansion; NY+LA on Dec. 😎 Lotte Entertainment 12/15/2023 Wonka $25,000,000 – $35,000,000 $125,000,000 – $210,000,000 Warner Bros. Pictures 12/22/2023 All of Us Strangers (Limited) Disney / Searchlight Pictures 12/22/2023 American Fiction (Expansion) MGM / MRC 12/22/2023 Anyone But You Sony / Columbia Pictures 12/22/2023 Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom $32,000,000 – $42,000,000 $105,000,000 – $168,000,000 Warner Bros. Pictures 12/22/2023 The Iron Claw A24 12/22/2023 Migration $25,000,000 – $30,000,000 $140,000,000 – $250,000,000 Universal Pictures / Illumination That's quite a range for Migration. 250M? That'd be great.
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20 minutes ago, Porthos said:
What qualifies as "Promoting Girl Power"? Take something like Tank Girl:
On one level it's a standard "Rebel Against All-Powerful System" promo which wouldn't be that different if it was Tank Dude.
On the other hand, Tank Dude would be a radically different movie since the femininity of the main character, as well as Fighting Patriarchy*, are front and central in the marketing. Very in your face about it.
* Even though the term wasn't quite in as vogue at the time
The character is at least partially defined as being a woman. It's a central selling point of the conflict. In the marketing for The Marvels, on the other hand, the characters being women weren't central to the conflict and thus charges of the film selling/banking on Girl Power ring rather hollow to me.
The recent Birds of Prey movie would be another one where the marketing played up Playing Against Gender Expectations.
Is this a little subjective? Perhaps. But it can also be seen as a spectrum with things like Tank Girl on one end, Birds of Prey a bit more in the middle and things like the OG The Hunger Games films at the other end of the spectrum where it bleeds more into "tapping into cultural mood"/a large section of the GA resonating with Katniss.
Personally I didn't see the marketing for The Marvels anywhere on that spectrum of "promoting girl power".
Yes to everything, but that also reminds me that it’s time for a Tank Girl rewatch. Is there a more awesome example of the 90’s craziness?
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4 hours ago, Issac Newton said:
‘Songbirds & Snakes’ Feasts The Most On Thanksgiving As Pic Slithers To $100M Cume By Sunday; ‘Wish’ 5-Day $35M-$38M; ‘Napoleon’ Eyes $30M-$33M — Box Office
This said teens went to see the hunger games prequel, is that true? I’d think most of the audience would be millennials fans of the franchise.
2 hours ago, WittyUsername said:I believe Iger made it clear that his plan is to play it safe by focusing on sequels to their more popular animated films, which is why they’ve announced more Frozen movies, another Toy Story and a long awaited Zootopia sequel.
So, just keep digging that hole then? I see
1 hour ago, TheFlatLannister said:Disney wagging a culture war on half of the population of the United States never made much sense to me. Especially, considering that conservative generally have more kids than their liberal counterparts.
This is so wrong, I don’t even know where to start.
To be honest, I do; Disney representation is actuality shit, and this “culture war” wasn’t created by liberals at all and is just something fake created to divide people. Stop paying attention to that crap.
57 minutes ago, Torontofan said:I think the issue is not Disney "put a women in a blockbuster and audience hate that". That is absurd...
What people are really in a backlash to Disney about is that...
Disney makes a film with a bunch of women and think that alone would make certain audiences mindlessly flock to their film and the film will be praised for having women.
I think audiences have caught on to how fake disney is becoming in this area.
Disney is not doing the work of having a good story, interesting hook, or well made characters with these diverse casting choices.
Barbie is the biggest film of the year cause barbie Looked cool, interesting and had a journey.
Disney is just being lazy simple as that.
Disney just wants money, they’ll go where the wind blows. They’ve just been doing it wrong lately, too many sequels and remakes and old franchises coming one after another, they obviously need to refresh their catalog but Iger has too much aversion to taking risks on new stuff.
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1 hour ago, ThomasNicole said:
Elemental more succesful than TLM.
Their box offices was similar compared to their budgets. 567M for TLM (250M budget) v. 500M for Elemental (200M) budget.
But elemental had a way smaller marketing campaign, way better WOM, from what i saw it sell way better in digital and physical media, and was a phenomenon on streaming that TLM wasn’t.
Maybe TLM won in selling toys idk, hard to have data about this.
But at least culturally, I feel Elemental was the one that sticks beyond GOTG3 for Disney this year.
Was it though? TLM made 75M more WW and, more crucially, it has made (basically) 300M DOM instead of 155M. And studios still profit a lot more from domestic gross than international gross, right?
All in all they both made money IMO, even if perhaps only after their run. Plus kids movies like that will continue making money after the theatrical run for a long time.
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22 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:
2.6 ish I think. Yikes.
I guess people are just choosing to stay home instead of going to the movie theater with their kids. That sucks, honestly.
9 minutes ago, Blaze Heatnix said:So, why Wish got a 200 million budget? Did half of that go to Chris Pine's pockets?
No, but he would’ve deserved it.
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5 minutes ago, scytheavatar said:
We live in time where a THG movie has better songs than a WDAS movie........ think about it. It's one thing to fuck up the writing and animation, but how the freak they fuck up the music of a Disney movie I can never understand.
Huh, I think you misunderstood me, I like the Wish songs. No big hit like Let It Go or Bruno, but they’re overall pretty good when compared to the rest of their modern songs, in my opinion that is.
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3 minutes ago, Noctis said:
Amazing hold for The Hunger Games. It's a strong movie and audiences are clearly enjoying it.
Also, the fact that after 60+ new reviews, it has managed to move from 60% to 65% is impressive.
Yup, there was a long while there where it looked like it was going to end up rotten, and now for some reason the sentiment on it has changed bit from the critics reviewing it. I wonder why.
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3 hours ago, Sckathian said:
The fact Gunn delivered their only major hit just highlights how much Iger fucked up in firing him (though I notice Iger now blames his other execs for this).
Likewise burning their bridges with Lord and Miller.
On the animation side Disney has a creative problem, on the Marvel side Disney have a creative problem and on the Fox side they have a crutch - Apes is one to look to next year and how it performs.
All starts with the exec team. Until they have a cultural change I don't see things improving for them. I feel like a lot of people just don't want to work with Disney.
I mean look at the burn rate Star Wars has for creative teams.
Yup, fuck Iger and everyone surrounding him, they burned bridges left and right, no wonder their movies have been feeling creatively stale lately, they drove away a lot of the creativity from their studio.
54 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:Hunger 5.8
Dic 4.3
Wish 3.7
This is so, so bad for Wish. It's a pity they couldn't nail it, I quite like the songs (as far as Disney songs being played dozens of times every day in my household go) and I thought Chris Pine as a villain looked really fun. The man can't catch a break.
Ps: Fuck yeah Hunger Games
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4 hours ago, MovieMan89 said:
I think y’all are way overestimating how much little girls will care about Frozen 3 and 4. We are talking entirely different generation from the first at that point, with no overlap. It’s still popular with kids, but it’s not what it was.
So, I have a couple of daughters, and let me tell you something, I have memorized every single line of every single Frozen 1 and Frozen 2 song by now...
3 hours ago, ZeroHour said:Anecdotal, but I was at a birthday party for a three year old girl a few months back and all the little girls were dressed as Elsa and they had Frozen and Moana music videos playing in the background the whole time. That franchise does really well converting new generations (a Moana 2 would be even bigger though).
If Zootopia 2 can be ready for the Fall, they should go with that one. Having three originals flop in a row would be a very bad look for WDAS.
Yeah, it's Frozen and Moana everywhere, 100% the most famous princess movies with young girls, and it's definitely not only in the USA.
3 hours ago, Kon said:I didn't feel Moana was so popular. Her movie was fine, but it doesn't seem to have a so big impact.
That said, I don't have kids so it's possible I didn't know enough about the movie audience.
There you go
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12 minutes ago, BK007 said:
So where can I read a balanced and spoiler free analysis of the Marvels flopping?
Context:
Although it looked more of the same to me (and almost like Shazam 2 with cheesy gods appearing) that never stopped Marvel before. And I also disagree with the Reddit/Blu-Ray.com sentiment that post-EG has been worse than pre-EG since I've never been a diehard fanboy but a casual watcher throughout the whole series there are many, many average films pre-EG. The bigger issue is that post-EG films don't seem linked to a bigger story (not that they need to be) but having EG happen just destabilises them fundamentally. I also don't know why Ant Man 3 was so badly received since it was like 1 and 2 which were decent/enjoyable.
My feelings haven't really been similar to the masses re: MCU for most films so it is peculiar as to what straw broke the camel's back. Disney+? Endgame being the ending? More right wing Americans?
I don’t agree with everything on a personal level, but here are what seem to be the main conclusions around here:
- Disney+(fatigue, feels like homework having to watch so many TV shows to get fully caught up),
- 2 main characters that were TV characters,
- Captain Marvel herself not being a character that attracts many people
- Endgame feeling like an ending to many people,
- the big bad of this phase sucking(Kang),
-Ant-Man 3 deflating hype
- Thor 4 feeling like a parody for many people and devaluing the brand,
- this phase feeling directionless,
- MCU not feeling the same without Iron Man and/or Captain America,
- New superheroes in general just not hitting in the same way,
- Too many new superheroes and too little time spent on them,
- COVID changing habits and making people more demanding,
- Main audience for MCU getting older while younger audiences aren’t being pulled,
- Weaker scripts
Etc etc etc
Or, as I like to call it, death by a thousand cuts. Some of those being bigger, some smaller, but it all added up.
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36 minutes ago, ThePrinceIsOnFire said:
Well, so let's hope that from now on every big franchise/ IP starts lowering the budgets to 100 M so that we can have many 300 M WW blockbuster hits, or even at 50 M so that we can have 150 M WW hits.
I'm sure that the producers might find this a good deal, but it's very hard to imagine that the theaters will thrive in a such a scenario...if they manage to stay alive for 5 years at this "success" rate, that is.
People are really talking about the studio's point of view here, while you are talking about the movie theaters' point of view, which is valid too but made the conversation confusing.
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Just now, ZeroHour said:
IO2 is Pixar but Zootopia 2 could be next Fall’s WDAS and that will probably do well. Still, it remains to be seen if she can even successfully usher sequels through the process. The making of documentary series on Frozen 2 is not very flattering.
You are right, I forgot IO2 was Pixar for some reason. Zootopia 2 is less of a sure hit, so that should be interesting.
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57 minutes ago, ZeroHour said:
The new year has to see some big creative shake-ups at Disney, right? Between Strange World and now WDAS botching a fairytale musical, the studio's bread and butter, I’m not sure there’s much argument for keeping Jennifer Lee as CCO. Lucasfilm proving unable to launch any Star Wars films and missing (and way overspending) on Indy 5 also should warrant a shake up (though maybe Filoni’s new role is supposed to be a band aid there). At least Pete Docter is probably breathing a sigh of relief. His team can still deliver creatively and it’s really more of a marketing and Disney+ issue. You have to give Kevin Feige the chance to course correct but if 2025 isn’t seen as a creative resurgence for that division, even he won’t be Teflon forever.
Of course, this is the studio that’s going full steam ahead on a Jared Leto Tron so maybe they’ll just continue setting money on fire.
Star Wars already made a change this year as you pointed out. It’s actually a huge internal change from what I understood; Filoni literally has full creative control of everything Star Wars right now.
2024 won’t change much of anything for MCU as they only have Deadpool coming out and that’s a sure hit, so you are right that 2025 is a key year. Still, surely they give him until the next Avengers movie comes out? I really don’t see any possibility of a Feige exit before that.
Similarly, Jennifer Lee
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4 minutes ago, Morieris said:
The fact that every conversation I've heard of this ends with "I wonder if it's BO justifies a sequel?"
It's okay for movies to stand alone. I'd like a book about the conniving and scheming in the Capitol's upper elite, but it wouldn't make for an interesting movie for audiences.
Well, I understand your point of view, but if I were you I'd take it as a good sign that people are enjoying the movie if they're talking about a possible sequel. That's nice to see.
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17 minutes ago, Cappoedameron said:
Some people in the movie's thread talking about the RT score of it when the reviews came out seem to have forgotten that RT score is not the same as WOM.
Glad it's doing well.
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11 hours ago, keysersoze123 said:
Just Wish and it seem to finish almost on par with Encanto opening wednesday. Actually fewer tickets but ATP is higher 2 years later and so its almost on par. So seeing 6m true wednesday and 8.3m with previews. Just meh considering where the presales were. Way worse walkups than Trolls last week. I think meh reviews had definite impact for sure.
Well done on almost nailing the number for Wednesday.
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Meh, as I’ve said before, I really think they won’t let this one be a dud, they know there’s too much riding on it.
Yup, any MCU thread will be a variation of that until the next MCU movie after Deadpool opens. No matter how much Deadpool makes, the negativity will be through the roof.