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I think I'm one of the only people who doesn't care about the CGI, it's become par for the course with comic book movies of late. Thor's CGI was terrible, Ant-Man's CGI was worse than terrible, this looks really bad etc.. I'm used to it. The VFX houses are overworked, underpaid and some have dropped out of the CBM business all together.
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The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)
Johnny Tran replied to Cap's topic in Numbers and Data
How wouldn't $80M be good for either that or The Flash? It's not 2019 anymore. I don't think people have come to terms with that yet. Subtract 20-30% off the top for most movies. There will be outliers here and there but this is the new reality. -
Audience score is up to 98% but still not a lot of ratings yet. From everything I've read from critic reviews it sounds like it would be a crowd pleaser. Audiences aren't going to care much about Ezra Miller backlash and other things surrounding the movie. They just want to see The Flash do some cool things along with the cameos. It's usually that simple. Look at the Transformers audience scores.
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Weekend Thread | Transformers $25.6M FRI
Johnny Tran replied to Issac Newton's topic in Numbers and Data
You're not wrong in your assessment but Jordan Peele only came onto the scene less than a decade ago, it seems like there was more room for other directors to get their shine. While I love Dune, I'd be even more interested in seeing Denis do more mid-tier budget films. -
Weekend Thread | Transformers $25.6M FRI
Johnny Tran replied to Issac Newton's topic in Numbers and Data
Why aren't there more Jordan Peele like projects? I'd say Nolan is the bigger version of this. Good director, original ideas, has a following, and the budgets are kept in control, usually end up with a nice profit. Shouldn't studios be trying more of that? -
Weekend Thread | Transformers $25.6M FRI
Johnny Tran replied to Issac Newton's topic in Numbers and Data
Transformers did better than I thought it would. I thought $52-55M maybe. $60.5 is a nice number given the state of the franchise. -
Weekend Thread | Transformers $25.6M FRI
Johnny Tran replied to Issac Newton's topic in Numbers and Data
On one hand, Spiderverse is doing fantastic but on the other hand, I can't help but think that Sat. number is a bit disappointing, I was expecting less than a 50% drop or right around 50% -
The Box Office Buzz and Tracking Thread (December 2021 - July 2023)
Johnny Tran replied to Cap's topic in Numbers and Data
I really don't think the release schedule is being talked about enough. It's a relatively weak schedule until after the July 4th weekend. That should help The Flash and Indiana Jones. Spider-Man next week will already be into it's third weekend and you have to assume Transformers is dropping 65% next weekend. If the lack of competition doesn't help both movies then it's going to be a dead Summer. I think too much is being made of both Barbie and Oppenheimer. They should do well but I don't see them breaking out. Tom Cruise has a good shot at running yet another Summer. -
By the way, I think at this point the RT score is what it is in terms of whether it will help presales or help the OW walkups. It's been sitting at 72% for a couple days and now it's up to 74%. I can see it dipping into the 60s by but that point it won't matter because everyone has already made up their mind. Audience scores and WOM are next up.
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I think it's because there's simply a lot of people who want DC movies to do poorly and thus there's people who feel they need to defend the movies, I don't see the same amount of concern trolling in other threads. I'm a big fan of the Fast franchise and over the past 20 years you'll see people who say "these movies suck" but there's not the same amount of vitriol, concern trolling or cheering against the franchise. I don't think that's a conspiracy theory either, just read through the thread and you can watch every step of the way the people who are gleeful at the idea that the tracking may be lower than expected or the presales are lower or when Variety says the budget is $190M and people flat out say that's false as if they have inside info, etc. People love to bring up the whole Snyder saga, like bro that was a decade ago. Why are we still debating that stuff? Every DC thread turns into the same thing.
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$600M and positive general audience reception would be a huge win for a movie that had so much chaos surrounding it. Plus, this movie means nothing in the grand scheme of things for the DC brand. I don't believe the brand is damaged when The Batman can have another reboot and kill it at the box office. James Gunn's Superman is the movie to watch for DC going forward.
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Won a bunch of awards, was nominated for 11 Oscars, was nominated at the SAGs, was nominated at the directors and producers guild, won the golden lion, has some of the highest audience scores across imdb and other platforms, had good legs in the U.S., had crazy legs overseas... How is Joker divisive? It's pretty only some U.S. critics and I don't want to go down that rabbit hole again about political discourse.
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Yes, pretty much and it's not even all that divisive in the U.S. either. It's a loud minority. I'm not sure if posters outside of the U.S. realize this but the political discourse in the United States is so broken and fractured that nearly everything, every song, every movie, every commercial, etc. has folks picking sides and even trying to find something political in things that aren't meant to be. For those who live outside of the U.S., it's actually quite exhausting to discuss almost any form of entertainment or even sports because there's all sorts of jockeying for some sort of political position going on everywhere you look.
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By the way, $800M is way too high to me under any circumstance. The box office just isn't back to 2019 levels and may never get there. Yes, there's the couple outliers each year that break out in a huge way but for the most part $800M is really tough to do even if a movie is really well received. I'm going to say anything over $600-650M and WB should be dancing in the streets. This isn't Batman and I don't see a Joker type situation playing out where it pulls in comic book moviegovers, casuals AND cinephiles or Aquaman where the huge underwater special effects bonanza went bonkers in Asia.