Johnny Tran

in what world would a 74% 2nd weekend drop be considered good? People sound giddy over the $3.5M number.

We saw "Thanksgiving" and it was a blast. That's all I got.

This thread is as dead as the movie. Where is everyone? To answer the question posed earlier, I don't think people will necessarily look at 'Deadpool 3' as an MCU movie, no. If it's rated R and has that same type of foul language and disgusting humor with over the top violence and the works people are just going to be like, "Ok, that's the Deadpool I know" It'll only be a part of the MCU if it's awful because then people will blame the MCU.

The reason why 'The Marvels' is bad for the MCU moving forward is because the brand has taken a big hit to its reputation. There were already issues with many of the TV shows being mediocre, Ant-Man 3 being terrible and not making nearly as much money as they thought and the horrendous Secret Invasion debacle. Now anyone is talking about is how the MCU is trash now compared to what it once was. These box office bomb headlines are everywhere right now. I saw segments on MSNBC about it. The sentiment out there is the MCU has a quality problem. That might not spell disaster for 'Deadpool 3' but it could definitely hurt the other upcoming shows and movies.

How is Fast X on the "disaster" list? Even if the movie really did cost $350M to produce, it made over $700M worldwide.

“Nobody was there” Some of Disney’s parks have been hit particularly hard: July Fourth was the third-slowest day of the last 12 months at Disney’s Hollywood Studios in Florida, according to Touring Plans. What's behind the summer slump at Disney World and Universal Orlando | CNN Business

I'd like to throw some water on these Disney defenders in here saying the company is fine. It's actually the opposite. The theme parks took a hit this Summer. Disney+ has been largely unsuccessful. Most of their theatrical releases are bombing. The stock has tumbled down the pandemic levels not seen since April of 2020. They are firing people left and right from ESPN. They are rumored to be shopping ESPN. Cable companies aren't paying their wild fees anymore. I think they'll find ways to navigate all of their issues but this idea that everything is fine couldn't be further from the truth. They do have to make changes all over the place.

I think some people are happy because they want better movies. Will these movies flopping lead to change? I don't know.

FNAF just did over $80M OW two weeks ago while you could have watched it on Peacock for free. Granted not many people have Peacock but it still probably shaved off a couple million dollars. I bring this up because the problem this weekend was not ticket prices or pricing out families or late night talk shows, etc.. Stop trying to find other reasons. It flopped because nobody wanted to see it and the MCU has been bad for 4 years now.

The two companies aren't really comparable at all. Apple has a market cap over 2 trillion and their stock is still doing ok-ish in a bad market. Disney, on the other hand, has cratered to pandemic levels and everything they've done lately movies, streaming, theme parks etc is failing.

By the way, I think Aquaman 2 is gonna BOMB here but overseas MIGHT save it from total disaster. Just a thought.

I took longer than most here apparently.. I only recently stopped caring. The double whammy of Ant-Man 3 and Secret Invasion put me in a bad place towards the MCU. Thor: Love & Thunder didn't help either. She-Hulk was mostly a miss for me too.

MCU has a long history of weak villains and the movies that have the best villains (Thanos, Killmonger, The Winter Soldier) end up doing the best at the box office, you would think that they would realize it's an important part of what works for them.

By the way, the claws are out. Scathing piece on The Marvels and the MCU as a whole. Box Office: The Marvels $47M Lowest for MCU – What Went Wrong – Deadline

This could be said about any movie that comes out from a studio that has a streaming service. I'm sure a ton of people ended up watching MI7 at home on Paramount or whatever. I'm sure a lot of people are watching The Flash on Max. Etc. Is something like Haunted Mansion really helping Disney+ all that much, I doubt it. Not because I don't think people are watching it, it's just that these streamers have so many problems that whatever little boost a movie might add does nothing to the bottom line or addresses all the issues they have.

Completely disagree. GOTG Vol 3. simply a better made film than most of what MCU is currently putting out. It's not even close.

I think the Russos did a fantastic job with the films they directed in the MCU but their work outside of the MCU is suspect. James Gunn is a guy who has proven to be great with or without Feige. Also, Joss Whedon is a good writer but Age of Ultron was not great and his work on Justice League was abysmal.

It might finish in a dead heat with 'Birds of Prey' which you may recall had it's legs cut a little short by COVID.

That is looking like a Great Lakes Avengers lineup.

No doubt and it's not the first failure under Kathleen at LucasFilm either. Lightyear and some other Pixar movies have been pretty big money losers lately too. All Disney. Instead of looking at Feige, maybe more people should be questioning Bob Iger.

Exactly. If you asked me six months ago I would have said $600M or in that ballpark. I felt it would do better than Ant-Man 3 but maybe not as well as the latest Thor movie. But I likely would have also said hey maybe if reviews are glowing it can get to $700M.

Even that is different though because Indiana Jones put some people in seats. It sold some tickets. It didn't sell anywhere near what it needed to in order to save it from losing millions of dollars but it did sell some tickets. The Marvels is going to struggle to get past $200M. I think it's a different level of failure.

A couple tiktok videos would have saved the complete apathy general audiences have for this? My God... movies flop. MCU actually had a couple flops in Phase 1. It's okay. They survived. It happens. Batman had a serious flop back in the 90s. It didn't kill off the character for WB. It happens.

That's not accurate, really. It was expected for several weeks because of our trackers here who do great work. The trades had this opening to north of $80M just a couple weeks ago and even this week they only dropped the projection to $65-70M. Prior to tracking, many expected this to be big because a lot of people were calculating that the Infinity War/Endgame bump was overblown.

It's "boring" only to those who want this weekend to go away. We didn't even get numbers last night on here.