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Guardians 3 I'm thinking 150/400/850 which is still very great. I still think The Marvels will ultimately fine even with Dune 2 as its not too big a threat domestically and they can still bully it out of that 11/3 spot (110/275). Songbirds and Snakes could be problematic due to nostalgia overdose and there's yet to be a huge blockbuster for women, it all depends on how people react to a trailer.

Apparently Dreamworks is working on a movie that's basically Luca but with teens, so I can see that coming in September.

This is fair, would also like better law scenes as well. For what is was, I enjoyed it as an episode of the week type deal and enjoyed the world and characters a lot (I'm thoroughly excited to see more Jennifer in future mcu joints). The weakest part though like you said came to story.

It's not so much Quantumania itself will cause the sequels to underperform though I do think maybe reception of Phase 4 causes Guardians to open closer to 150m than 200m but it'll make it up in legs if good but may not do as well with “ultimate potential”. Most of the sequels imho have a baseline of 90-100m OW if reception is bad because a lot of these characters are liked enough due to how big the fanbase is. The rest depends on reception. The problem is it can hurt newer entries that have yet to be introduced due to a weaker brand, like Thunderbolts which seems like Suicide Squad in that most members have similar powers and has been done before or Blade which needs to deliver on the vampire fighting action. Armor Wars shouldn't worry because people like War Machine enough and with a lot of Stark gassing up and rumors of West Coast Avengers team-up, should be enough where it'll be okay. Further installments like sequels to Ant-Man or Eternals or Strange are likely to decrease, and can effect future team-ups (like the thing that would really get the brunt if reception were to continue would be Kang Dynasty).

The rottens aren't issues except for arguably presales but that doesn't stop a movie from succeeding. Illumination has had mediocre reviews from conception and is now the biggest theatrical name in animation because the GA loves their films. If Eternals and Quantumania had As or even A-’s, there would be no problem on reception as the general audience being satisfied is the main thing that matters. The thing is while the movies are still making bank, the problem is general audience reception. I am not going to deny some have been rooting for Marvel to fail, but a lot of people care about this franchise. I still am a huge comic book nerd, I'm even watching and thoroughly enjoying Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, a Disney Channel cartoon and while I've been underwhelmed I've enjoyed a lot of Phase 4’s output (most of the movies except Thor, She-Hulk, WandaVision, Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel I've been net-positive on (3/5 or higher)). However, there does seem to be a problem with audience reception. Wakanda Forever loved but it's not saving Quantumania rn is it. I don't think Guardians will be effected as it's a subfranchise and The Marvels will drop because like Wakanda comes from a zeitgeist first movie but it'll likely do 650m at a minimum WW. Also NWO and Deadpool seem like hits. But to deny that if similar audience reception continues this phase that it won't suffer consequences is just being obtuse.

I don't see how SC2 and Armor Wars miss 500m WW.

She-Hulk was good and review bombed mainly by alt-right trolls. The majority of the general audience enjoyed. IMHO There's like far worse Disney+ MCU shows like Falcon or Loki.

Also if Shang-Chi is going to be a big player for the saga, would make since to have him getting another project before the big team up. Also SC2, Eternals 2 and Strange 3 were added to the production list, and it would make sense to build up the new names too especially where there's a sea of new heroes this saga.

I don't think it falls that hard versus Creed even with loss of PLFs, probably more in the 50-55% range. Thinking more along the lines of 220m-230m domestic.

Then some will get their budgets decreased, what's hard about the stuff that hasn't even begun pre-production yet. As for Morbius, no one really gives a shit about Morbius (it's like comparing the state of say Pixar and Paramount Animation/WAG, in which the latter wasn't that big or near as big to begin with) and were you not paying attention to the slate of DC for the past seven years on here. For any franchise, it's not a good thing when the general audience isn't clicking with everything. Yes apart from Eternals and maybe Quantumania, none have bombed and made a profit but if the same WOM that the majority of Phase 4’s and Quantumania becomes the norm, it will eventually effect the margins.

They can always increase the runtime as Werewolf by Night was 53 minutes, can easily see a few getting turned into 90 minute specials.

Some stuff I can see being retooled into special presentations if necessary. Looking at Nova, Vision Quest and maybe Agatha for instance (though I think they're filming the latter).

Honestly the best way to move forward is to scale back on content for Marvel. Probably too late now but they could try readjusting the schedule once more (3 movies and 2 shows): Phase 5 continued: 5/3/2024 - New World Order 7/26/2024 - Thunderbolts 11/8/2024 - Blade (Echo and Ironheart are the 2024 shows, turn Nova into a special) 2/14/2025 - Deadpool and Wolverine 5/2/2025 - Spider-Man 4 Phase 6: 11/7/2025 - Fantastic Four (Agatha and Daredevil are the 2025 shows) 2026 could be a combination of Shang-Chi 2, Armor Wars and Eternals 2 2027 could be Doctor Strange 3, Kang Dynasty and Black Panther 3 2028 - World War Hulk, Secret Wars, Champions

I think you quoted JustLurking response but it has my avatar name on the screen.

Even then it's doing shows and an Elseworld movie in that gap year while developing movies and that universe, which is what was suggested.

Hell the only exception is Peacekeeper but even then it's one DCU adjacent product next year. The rest are so far removed it doesn't count. It would be like counting Morbius or the Fox-Men stuff as MCU.

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They’re doing that in 2024 basically (Joker 2 is Elseworlds) and Flash is a reset movie anyways but there’s a difference between taking a year off of the main universe to develop versus utter shutdown which isn’t being proposed.

Cocaine Bear is looking at a 18-21M OW which is pretty good. Ant Man did just enough where sub 30M won’t happen but not a good drop nonetheless. With a typical night surge to 8.5-9m, should do 33m for the weekend.

In fairness to Guardians, the second also didn’t blow up trailers wise.

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Depends on how it plays out: If it plays more like a family movie like Sonic or even Uncharted, $36m-$37m second weekend but if it plays like Black Panther, it’ll be at just under $29m.

Honestly, I’m glad they moved The Marvels back because this would happen to it too. I don’t think Marvel should do four movies a year anyways.

There’s a huge storm in the midwest rn tbf.