Valonqar
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16 minutes ago, keysersoze123 said:
Wait. based on data in previous page, Paris 2PM is below Dune 1. Of course that had more shows and probably higher ratio. Still I expected this movie to beat 1st movie comfortably in Europe.
I understand now. Thanks for explaining.
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1 hour ago, keysersoze123 said:
Thank you guys. Not great for sure. Let us hope France Day 1 numbers are higher than Dune and has better legs as well.
Not great? How? It's exceeding the first one by leaps and bounds.
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44 minutes ago, Last Man Standing said:
Paul kills him in the throne room conforntation.
Good. Alia never made sense and her arc in Messiah and CoD works without her killing Baron cause the point is something else anyway.
8 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:This is one of the rare moment I seen a protagonist in a major studio tentpole was written and portrayed with such “villainous” energy. Most of tentpole prefer their protagonist to be heroic and role model-ish.
Because Paul has always been a hero on a villain journey something he wanted to stop but couldn't (ex. he saw himself choose the name Mua'Dib in the future that led to unprecedented bloodshed so in the present he tried to change that by choosing the name Paul Mua'dib and it didn't work cause future cannot be changed one can only see it if prescient).
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yeah this is doubling the first movie's boxoffice
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legs incoming
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5 hours ago, Last Man Standing said:
The biggest change is that in the books there's a pretty significant time skip, Alia is a creepy child, and she kills the Baron. Personally I'm fine with this change, cause I just have a hard time seeing anyone doing Alia right, it will definitely piss some Dune fans off though, cause it has some implications. Another big change is that Chani is a skeptic, in the book she even duels his challengers when he can't be bothered, and she doesn't leave at the end of the movie. There are a bunch of smaller changes outside of these as well.
Since I always thought that Paul or Jessica should have killed the Baron and not the character who appeared late in the book, who kills him?
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13 hours ago, dudalb said:
As far the screeplay goes, Dune Messiah is going to be a lot harder to adapt then Dune. You have to have read the novel to fullly understand , but Messiah just does not have the story elements for ac tion and spectacle the way that Dune does. This isnot knocking it, but Messiah is heavy on the political and religious drams and short on scenes with huge action potential..where they are built into Dune. And then.....
uhmmm
Stone Burner, anyone? That's a money shot right there with massive consequences. Also, Alia's combat training with the dummy though whether they'll dare have Anya naked like in the book is a different matter. Even thiugh the attraction of the scene is that she's completely naked.
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43 minutes ago, kayumanggi said:
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Based. They know Butler is geenrating buzz as the villain to beat so they are hyping that. Also, I really like this expansion of Irulan character cause it sets up her arc in the next movie.
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1 hour ago, lorddemaxus said:
If youve seen the way I talk about the movie elsewhere, I dont (in fact my boxoffice prediction if higher than yours). I'm only disagreeing with your awards predictions for this.
I don't want to jinx it so I'm cautiously predicting 700M but will be thrilled when it goes higher. My awards prediction is part of my manifesting exercise.
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2 hours ago, lorddemaxus said:
You keep saying this like people are expecting this. Only you are!!
You have an axe to grind for this movie while I stan so we won't agree. But IMO 700M is not unrealistic given that the first one made 400M during pandemic and with hybrid domestic release. I expect similar boxoffice to Spiderverse with reverse dom/OS (Dune will be stronger OS while Spiderverse was stronger dom). So 700M give or take.
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2 hours ago, lorddemaxus said:
Ok, let's assume it's about being a blockbuster (eventhough it doesnt matter). How come not a single blockbuster has won in the past 20 years since LOTR won? It's not like Oppenheimer is the first blockbuster to ever win BP. Other blockbusters have won before. Why is this one the one to open the floodgates? Your argument has nothing to back it up.
Many won before ROTK. And then the trend stopped. Titanic won in 1998. ROTK in 2003. That's 5 years between winners that grossed over 300M dom and over 1B WW (or in Oppenheiemr case over 900M WW). In between was Gladiator win in 2001. The movie made 187M dom and 465M WW which was huge for an R rated movie in pre-3D era. And then 20 years between ROTK and Oppenheimer. So Oppenheimer could open the floodgates again. Fingers crossed.
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Blowup awards-wise not boxoffice-wise. Nobody expects 900M+. I think people settled with 700M ceiling.
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28 minutes ago, vale9001 said:
A february release (before even the telecast of the year before) makes really hard to take the momentum.
Also after Oppenheimer next year probably a very different kind of movie will win. Usually people (so then the voters) tend to push (even if unconsciously) a movie is different from the win before.
Sci fi is a different kind of movie than a historical drama as big as both might be at the boxoffice. Also, time of the year doesn't mean anything if a movie has the momentum.
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56 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:
Why would a historical drama pave the way for a Dune 2 win? Would you be saying the same thing if the $200 mil budgeted KOTFM wins best picture?
Historical dramas haven't won in a long time either and this is really about being a blockbuster. So yes it will pave a way for big movies to make a comeback.
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1 hour ago, titanic2187 said:
It is also the most expensive best picture winner since LOTR3. No other best picture winner cost more than 50m since LOTR3.
Said it in Dune thread. If it cleans up as we all hope and expect it'll normalize awarding big blockbusters again. Paves the way for Dune win be it 2 or Messiah.
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WB is pulling no stops with Dune 2 promo and gotta say one of the best I've ever seen. The cast is slaying red carpet especially Zendaya who is next level of fashion forward. 😍
I'm bullish on awards prospect and think that if Oppenheimer cleans up as everyone expects, it'll normalize awarding big bl;ockbusters again which hasn't happened in exactly 20 years (ROTK win was the last over 300M dom, over 900M WW win). Paves the way for Dune.
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2 hours ago, titanic2187 said:
Nah, I still can't stomach the idea of SAG being this important when all the upset in the past like Parasite, Moonlight, Green Book, Spotlight, all surge in the screenplay category before the momentum clearly formed. Like some past winner like Braveheart, SM, LOTR3, Parasite , the entire cast was ignored in all four acting categories but still went ahead and won. Whereas if a best picture nominee isn't nominated in screenplay, their chance to win is nearly zero. The last one achieved this feat was Titanic 26 years ago, but at the same time, the acting branch can ignore you for all 20 acting slots but there are still 4 examples winner in the past 30 years. So screenplay branch is definitely more important than acting branch.
No point looking back at LOTR cause it didn't win on the preferential ballot. Also, no case is the same. Just because there were upsets it doesn't mean they are a norm. Oppenheimer needed SAG win and it got it. That hurt potential script winners American Fiction and Barbie.
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6 hours ago, Last Man Standing said:
It won SAG Ensemble, it's so locked for Best Picture it's not even funny.
it's been exactly 20 years since a movie that made over 300M dom and 900M WW won Best Picture.
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10 hours ago, titanic2187 said:
Oppenheimer futher solditify its best Picture status despite not wining screenplay. All the likely screnplay winner won’t touch oppenheimer this year.
Nomination in Screenplay should be enough and SAG Ensemble win is what it needed more IMO. Upsets tend to come from movies that have strong support from actors, the biggest voting block. That barrier is now removed.
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The movie has enough spectacle to at least does better than the first in China I hope.
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17 minutes ago, IchwanBigBrother said:
Do their scores correlate well with awards? Has anyone actually tried to analyze that?
Many Oscar site did. Generally Picture winners have 80 and over MC, Green Book and CODA being exceptions with 69 and 72 respectively. The site is more respected cause their metrics are different from RT and it doesn't accept YTuber type of reviewers and funko reviewers that has been the staple of franchise reviews.
16 minutes ago, IchwanBigBrother said:Can you elaborate on this please? Not a leading question. I know about OPPENHEIMER and even read most of the book but still haven't seen it.
I can't speak for him but Oscars usually go for a different type of winner next time so if Oppenheimer (historical drama) won now than sci fi winner would be the opposite of that next year. Nomadland (heavy drama) followed by CODA (Lifetime quality uplifting movie) followed by EEAAO (wacky arthouse multiverse sci fi fantasy) followed by Oppenheimer? (historical drama) followed by Dune 2? (hard sci fi). You get the idea.
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Metacritic is more signficant for awards than RT.
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1 minute ago, WorkingonaName said:
I think Denis is more likely to win for the Cleopatra movie.
Nah no one cares for Cleopatra. I wished he didn't make it smells like a flop. It isn't like there's shortage of Cleopatra, didn't Netflix make a movie or series that flopped recently?
Dune: Part Two (2024) Spoiler Thread
in Review That Movie! (Spoilers Allowed)
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I read soemwhere that Dune book was originally Dune + Messiah (then not called Messiah cause it was part of Dune) but the publisher was so sacred of the size of the book, it insisted the Messiah part to be removed. But when Dune became a massive success, they published Messiah as Messiah aka sequel. hence why that book is much shorter than Dune and feels more like an ending than the end of Dune book.