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The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread
Firepower replied to Shawn Robbins's topic in Box Office Discussion
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Again, you can't make as many Joker solo films as Batmans because he's a bad guy, you can't do a procedural structure here, but the character is definitely more popular than Batman. Suicide Squad box office was carried by him, a much better sequel dropped like a rock as soon as he left. The Dark Knight had this massive increase over Begins precisely because of Joker. Tim Burton's Batman did what it did because of Joker. The Batman didn't even cross 800 mln despite glowing reviews, he gave nothing to Justice League and it flopped. Numbers are numbers, can't argue with them.
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I disagree about this, unless you mean movies which are not mentioned as Joker's main inspirations. Mentally ill character who actually visits a dispensary constantly as part of his daily life and has trouble getting prescription for medication he needs because of distribution problems and nearly closed health institutions is something very real and absolutely wasn't done in those particular movies at all.
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This has nothing to do with gender pay gap, she would've gotten 20 mln if she was a co-star in the first movie, it's absolutely logical Joaquin would earn more since the movie not only did a billion, but also earned him his first Oscar, he simply has more leverage. And 12 mln is still big star paycheck, nothing to be sad about.
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First Joker was deconstruction of the character, deconstruction of the myth about him, that's why it's the most realistic version of Joker, he's not this cool and fetishized mastermind like in the source material and all other adaptations, but more of a sad and miserable mentally ill guy who desperately needs help, but can't get one. I understand why some people want to see "cool criminal mastermind" version more, but I don't see the problem with having this one when we already have many versions of cool mastermind and will get many more. Plus there's no movie with criminal mastermind version, unless you want to see 2 hours of Joker being successful with his evil plans and that's about it.