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1 hour ago, JjFit said:
It’s a total shame that it just won’t be possible for Raya to match the Box-Office numbers of any of the other Disney Revival movies - However, it appears that Raya is continuing the Disney Revival streak of critical acclaim!
Currently the movie is sitting at 96% on RottenTomatoes - I can’t wait to check out this movie over the weekend.
I wouldn't say it's impossible to match any of their releases - it should at least be able to get past Winnie the Pooh's $50M worldwide.
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98% now with 43 reviews. I like seeing this go up.
Also 78 on MC now with 14 reviews.
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Critics Choice is up for Raya right now, and it's looking very good:
Raya and the Last Dragon 93/100 Here's the last 12 WDAS and Pixar films for reference:
Film Critics Choice Film Critics Choice Meet the Robinsons 75 Cars 2 67 Bolt 85 Brave 81 The Princess and the Frog 85 Monsters University 79 Tangled 84 Inside Out 93 Winnie the Pooh 75 The Good Dinosaur 75 Wreck-It Ralph 82 Finding Dory 89 Frozen 88 Cars 3 66 Big Hero 6 85 Coco 89 Zootopia 91 Incredibles 2 88 Moana 89 Toy Story 4 93 Ralph Breaks the Internet 83 Onward 80 Frozen II 79 Soul 92
As someone from SEA, I'm really looking forward to seeing this. Problem being though, most theatres are still closed in my immediate area, and the ones that are open don't seem to be playing Raya. So I'll probably be waiting quite a while to see this one.
Edit: I guess I should also mention Premier Access is no-go for me. Not really in the mood to shell out additional $35 for something for a service I'm already paying for.
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17 minutes ago, DAJK said:
All I'm saying is that I hope theaters are open in my province by March because no way am I giving Disney the satisfaction of 30 dollars to watch this by myself on my tiny little TV.
*$35 in Canada, which I also refuse to shell out (especially when Disney+ here is getting a pretty significant price hike) regardless of if this ends up being really amazing (I hope it is), I really hope Drive-Ins open up again in my province soon, although I feel like that's not going to happen.
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Welcome to the Kingdom of Kumandra. Raya and the Last Dragon is coming to theaters and on #DisneyPlus with Premier Access on March 5, 2021. #DisneyRaya pic.twitter.com/yrTQY28yXO
— Raya and the Last Dragon (@DisneyRaya) December 10, 2020Premier Access folks...
Also Theatrical, so I look forward to seeing it at my "local" drive-in in March.
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2 hours ago, Eric Lightfoot said:
LOL that was quickGiven that both Frozen films have had a nearly identical release calendar, it makes it easy to compare release timing of certain things.
Frozen II came out on Blu-Ray before the first film came out on digital, and on Disney+ before the first one released on Blu-Ray.
Granted, the movie landscape is quite a bit different compared to where it was in early 2014, but its still interesting to see.
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Heh, might as well put out my updated one as well.
- Inside Out
- WALL-E
- Coco
- Ratatouille
- Toy Story 3
- The Incredibles
- Up
- Toy Story
- Monsters, Inc.
- Toy Story 4
- Finding Nemo
- Onward
- Toy Story 2
- A Bug’s Life
- Cars
- Incredibles 2
- Finding Dory
- Brave
- Monsters University
- Cars 3
- The Good Dinosaur
- Cars 2
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59 minutes ago, RealLyre said:
in 2018 they had A Wrinkle in Time. Nutcracker and Solo A Star Wars Story.
I'd say they're back on pace but Pixar isn't saving them this time around.
Looking at it again, I don't find 2018 to be that amazing for Disney. They had 3 of the biggest bombs of the year, and of the other films, none of their non-superhero films (except maybe Ralph, but even that was pretty front-loaded) really did much for their bottom line. You could make the same argument for 2016, but at least it wasn't just superheros carrying the year (and most of their $100M+ budget films actually paid off in spades).
2017, while smaller, likely had a better return, seeing how Cars 3 was probably the only red spot that year theatrically, while everything else pulled in $750M+, and we all know how 2019 went for them.
Maybe the year as a whole won't be too bad for Disney, but this is a really bad start.
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8 minutes ago, stealthyfrog said:
Stark divide between an A- Cinemascore and the 97% verified audience score on RT
I wonder if this has something to do with it... From the Deadline article:
So far, it’s a great response to the Dan Scanlon-directed animated feature, with general audiences giving Onward 4 1/2 stars, parents a fantastic 5 stars, and kids under 12 (largely boys at 61%), an OK 3 1/2 stars. Overall guys under 25 lead at 29% followed by guys over 25 at 28%, then females over 25 at 23% and females under 25 at 20%. Diversity demos showed 52% Caucasian, 22% Hispanic, 12% Asian, and 8% African American.
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22 minutes ago, Arendelle Legion said:
Interesting that a comparison to HTTYD is being made here, but like...
Yikes. This is the third widest opening for Pixar movie yet it's going to wind up with the third/fourth lowest opening. $37-40M here results in a sub-$10k PTA, which is absolutely normal for Pixar movie when it's not in it's opening weekend. Even The Good Dinosaur managed a $10,444 PTA during its OW. Now, HOPEFULLY the film is able to leg it out and wind up with a somewhat decent domestic total, but I'm not holding my breath for this.
Quite unfortunate too, I really did like this one. And reviews (if you're not looking at Metacritic) were still quite good.
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5 minutes ago, misafeco said:
What is the budget of Onward? I couldn't find any information on it. Is there a chance Disney will lose money?
Probably $175M, solid possibility of it losing money too (especially if it opens at the lower end of tracking, or worse) sadly.
Generally speaking with animation... if a budget isn’t given yet I assume:
$75-80M for Illumination and Warner Animation Group
<$100M for Sony Pictures Animation
$100M for Blue Sky
$125M for DreamWorks
$150M for Disney Animation
$175M for Pixar originals
$200M for Pixar sequels
and for the most part it’s a pretty good guess, with a few exceptions.
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Just got back from this one. Not one of Pixar's absolute best, but it still has a lot going for it (and far better than most of their sequels in the last decade IMO). Great moments throughout, and while I do have some issues with it, it's still a plenty enjoyable film and I hope people see this (because a) it's good, and b) I don't want Pixar going back to sequels anytime soon).
Edit: also, what trailers did people get in front of this? I was in a 3D showing (why do I do this to myself I already wear glasses) and got Jungle Cruise and Mulan (the one that played Reflection though, not the one released around Super Bowl)
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So Onward's audience score is already showing... looking pretty good at 100%, 5/5 rating there
Edit: ...and now it's not showing
Edit 2: That said, it's nice to see the score going up, even if it doesn't really move much from here on out. I wonder if this is going to become a new trend for Pixar originals, because Coco started in the 80% range and moved it's way up to a 97% over the course of a month.
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1 hour ago, john2000 said:
you do know that most pixars original have ow of like 45-55 right ? its the legs that help them big time
ps lol other than frozen 1 and 2 and zootopia all the other of walt disney animation movies have ow in the range of 55 and ww total of 650 or so wtf are you saying mate
ps2 1-1,2 billion is not just big its huge for an animated movie
The thing is though, most Pixar originals do not open to $45-55M on their 3-day openings. Only Coco and Ratatouille have. The median for a Pixar original opening is $62.6M and the average is $57.8M. Majority of Pixar originals have opened to $60-70M in their opening weekends.
Onward opening to $45-55M would be fine, though still below average for Pixar originals, and it wouldn’t guarantee $200M DOM. It doesn’t need $1-1.2B to be a success, but even $500M is up in the air right now.
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Certified Fresh at 83%, 7.2 average from 87 reviews. Top Critics isn’t looking good at 56%, 6.44 average from 18 reviews.
Metacritic is sorta just there at 63 from 27 reviews, Critics Choice is at 79 (same as Monsters University)
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Nice to see this going up in the score (not the first time for a Pixar film, and hopefully not the last), probably gonna end up the range of the mid-high 80s, which is surprising how long it took for Pixar consider it's basically been the norm for WDAS for a while now. There's still a chance this could hit 90% and keep the mid-high 80% range 0-22 for Pixar, but the average score hasn't exactly changed as much as the tomatometer has, so it'll likely stay in the 80s.
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1 hour ago, a2k said:
Dory's adulation surprises me. Felt it was B-level Pixar like Brave but the scale was grander and visually refreshing to be back in the marine world. 94% on critics RT, phew. To each her/his own though. Fav Pixar sequel - TS3 (haven't watched TS4). Fav original - Ratatouille.
Looking back, I do find it a bit surprising that Dory scored as high as it did (with both its tomatometer and its average score), but with Pixar, even their lesser films have their share of devotees, and it's always interesting to see which films people have as their favourites. Theoretically, there are FAR more ways to rank Pixar films than there are people in the world, so it's very unlikely that two people are gonna have the exact same list, even if favourites or least favourites may be constants. I know that I've yet to find a list that matches mine one-to-one, so it always makes for an interesting discussion anytime rankings are brought up in forums.
TS3 is my favourite Pixar sequel, while Inside Out is my favourite original. But even stuff that goes under the radar for me sometimes gets rediscovered as a bit of a gem later on. Case in point: I recently rewatched Ratatouille for the first time in over a decade and loved it even more than I had remembered as a kid. And this scene will never not be amazing:
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Quick Update on Scores:
79%, 7.33/10 on RT with 42 reviews (for recent animated films from Disney, that tomatometer is fairly middling, but the average score is actually identical to Ralph Breaks the Internet)
- Top Critics is 67%, 7.07/10
62 on MC with 24 reviews (that's only better than the Cars sequels - let's hope it doesn't end up in the yellow)
Nothing on Critics Choice
8.5/10 on IMDb (not that this really matters)
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5 minutes ago, john2000 said:
weird how the average is 7,2, and its not higher
I'm actually a bit surprised it's not lower. Onward currently has the lowest delta between its Tomatometer and it's average score (when multiplied by 10) out of all Pixar movies besides Cars.
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It may suffer in comparison to Pixar's classics, but Onward makes effective use of the studio's formula -- and stands on its own merits as a funny, heartwarming, dazzlingly animated adventure.
78%
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Total Count: 32This just reads as a paraphrased version of Frozen II's critics consensus. Then again, they're both hovering in the mid-to-low 60s on Metacritic right now.
Frozen II can't quite recapture the showstopping feel of its predecessor, but it remains a dazzling adventure into the unknown.
77%
TOMATOMETER
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The reviews for Onward will come out this Thursday. Meaning Disney must think the film is really good to have reviews out that early. It’s a good sign! #Onward #PixarOnward pic.twitter.com/HYT5zO56Wb
— Magic Mania (@MagicManiaInc) February 17, 2020Just in time for the Berlin premiere
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The Good Dinosaur, Coco and Ralph Breaks the Internet were also tracking for $40-45M 3-day as well, so I'm not really concerned at the moment. If critical and audience reception winds up closer to say... The Good Dinosaur and Brave, then I'd probably sound the alarm.
Either way, we'll probably have a much better idea come next week.
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13 hours ago, Morieris said:
How many trailers has this thing had and we're still 3 months away.
I'd imagine we're getting at least one more in February for when tickets go on sale.
Raya and the Last Dragon | March 5, 2021 | Premier Access/Theater simultaneous release
in Box Office Discussion
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It says 112 minutes on Disney+ for me, and the closest theatre open to me has it at 108 minutes. I'm assuming the extra minutes are there to credit the dubs for the film. For Disney+ times, there's also Incredibles 2 at 118 minutes, The Incredibles at 115 minutes, and Ralph Breaks the Internet at 116 minutes. Ratatouille comes close at 111 minutes though.