Ms Lady Hawk

I took a look at several movies to compare. Typically, the top critic score is lower than the overall score. Not the case here. So far, top critics aligns with verified audience score. These bloggers are dragging it down. So yeah, it’s kind of weird. But now,, the movie released and people can see it for themselves. The RT score is for posterity’s sake now.

I give it an 8/10. The only complaint was the run time. It was a bit long for my son to sit through. Otherwise, as enjoyed it. I am really not over the top excited about any movie next year- not even the Snyder cut. Well, actually I am looking forward to A Quiet Place 2. Even so, I really wish I could have seen this in the theater where it was meant to be watched. A suggestion for WW3 would be to keep it to one villain. It’s a lot to try to develop all these interesting characters. Someone is bound to be under-developed. With all that said, I was fine with the movie. It’s a CBM. Frankly, I don’t see why a magic stone is more nonsensical than a gauntlet of infinity stones or three mother boxes.

So I am a little bit confused. WW84 will be on HBOMAX and in theaters until January 24, 2021. Then it moves to strictly theaters for 30 days and then what after that? I don’t know why theaters think they can make any money with that set up. Movies are usually well past 1/2 their earnings in cinema by week 4. Anyways, some streaming numbers. https://t.co/PFrHPQM4aK

Al true! Yet, anecdotally in my personal interactions with people and here online, most people thought Captain Marvel was average. Nothing special. I actually liked it more than most. I don’t think this would have performed on the level of BvS and JL as far as multipliers. The movie just appeals to a different audience. An audience that helped the first movie to a 4X multiplier. Many of those people would have returned in my view. Anyways, you’ve said all over this forum for months what you thought and expects from this film at the box office. I get it. I don’t expect that anything would change your mind. Had it gotten stellar reviews, there would have always been some limitation found by those committed to the it wouldn’t have done this or that crew. Respect your opinion and agree to disagree.

But Captain Marvel opened at over 150 and maybe that opening was attributed to the tie in between the two Avengers movies. It had mixed word of mouth too, but managed a multiplier of 2.8. No reason to believe that this wouldn’t manage at least a 2.5 with who comprises the audience. It’s not only fanboys running out to see it. This was geared to families. And the audience tracking showed a diverse audience.

I disagree! But it’s impossible to tell either way. Why only an atrocious 2.3 multiplier off a huge weekend? Based on Deadline article, it had an 82% positive and most of the audience were women. Younger kids loved it. We tend to forget that a lot of people do not post online. Therefore, the word of mouth may not have been bad enough to kill it to that extent. It performed better in at least two Asian markets than the first movie. And Australia was very solid. With Europe mostly closed, there’s no way of knowing. But I think there is at least a fair chance that of increasing there. But as I said, we’ll never know for certain either way.

Reviews aren’t great but wouldn’t be enough to blunt its box office on opening weekend. It wasn’t rotten on RT on 12/25. It’s still not rotten (at least not yet) now. And most of the world don’t give a hoot about mixed RT scores and Twitter chatter.

“#WW84 debuted with 1.4M in #India, same as 2017 #WonderWoman , also biggest opening for a Hollywood movie in India in 2020. One of the few which managed to match the 1st WonderWoman opening grosses, along with #Taiwan. #Thailand was the only market where WW84’s opening topped WW’s” A tweet from Luiz Fernando. So wait? It didn’t do poorly in all Asian markets aparently. Brazil is not back to normal and it is a huge market for WW. Basically much of Europe is closed. The movie dropped just 34% in its second week, so it didn’t drop like a stone there. NYC, LA, SF and many other major cities are closed. So yeah, this would have smashed in most territories.

Thank you! So much for the premise that this would drop like a stone across the board.

This movie did well with only 40% of theaters open AND the social distancing measures. It did well in Australia and nicely in Korea and Taiwan. Yeah, sticking to my belief that this would have done 1B. We’ll never know. But maybe it finishes with about 150m at box office WITHOUT much of Europe in a global pandemic. Really enjoyed WW84 and ecstatic about the announcement of number 3. It apparently pulled its weight in droves for HBOMAX, which is precisely what the suits wanted. AND 6.2 people streamed it just on Friday night. That is not counting new subs. Imagine a box office with a baseline of that many people going to the movies to see this on opening weekend. HUGE!

WB must be really happy with subscriptions to fast track WW3. So maybe we get WW3 in 2022-2023, if fast tracked. 16.7mil weekend is excellent!

Understand Patty’s perspective and those of the writers. This man is the love of her life. They have to show that he’s worthy of her by showing that he is as compassionate and heroic as she is. He doesn’t have any super powers, so he can’t swoop in and save two children by flinging his lasso. His worth must be shown through her eyes and through her arc.

If the movie is good, it will make its money. The character is beloved by many. Even the racial and gender breakdown from Deadline showed broad appeal for it.

But you’ve got to understand, when the pile on starts, objectivity goes out the window. It takes them off their sugar high. B+ CS Is fine. Not spectacular but not awful either.

The movie is a critical disappointment only because of the first movie’s performance. It is still fresh on RT. Maybe that changes, who knows? But calling it a bomb critically is far different from what it is from a critical standpoint- which at the moment would best be categorized as a disappointment. It bombed in China and so have many movies before it that had successful BO runs. We simply don’t have enough information to call it a bomb at the box office. Let’s wait and see how it performed with the lowered expectations of the pandemic release. Moreover, let’s see if it helped HBOMAX subscriptions, which was the main strategy underlying this streaming move. It was a money crab for sure. But let’s see if they get what they wanted.

WW84 bombed? Get real! We’re in a damn pandemic!

https://deadline.com/2020/12/wonder-woman-1984-hbo-max-glitches-christmas-day-box-office-1234661645/

Am I the only one who remembers Mac Lord giving Barbara an extra wish at no cost on the airplane? “What do you want? I’m feeling generous.”

You mean the unverified audience score? There’s a reason why they display the verified audience score. Wasn’t it after all the flooding of movies by trolls?

That’s not what I am reading on Twitter. Seem to be a very good amount of good review. I don’t read IMDB anymore. It was fantastic! I thought it hit the right emotional tone.

Merry Christmas all!

Thank you! And what do those movies have in common? They all grossed one billion! And two did it without China and great RT scores! Not being definitive, but I think this would have grossed 1 billion. Just my opinion.

Glad thus far the media is covering the weekend properly in terms BO performance. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/wonder-woman-1984-debut-overseas-stifled-by-enduring-pandemic-11608491989

Absolutely! This is the goal.

And this was foreseeable. Anyone with a brain could see that the release of this movie to theaters wouldn’t bear much fruit. With about 2,750 dying a day and many people without food, movie going is not a priority at the moment. I am excited to see it and I think some are too, but not at the level it would have been otherwise.