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  1. Trying to analyse and understand doesn't mean we can't get over it... It means we want to make smarter comments than yours...
  2. Prediction is not the topic here. The topic was more answering to someone (marvel) who constantly write that the movie will drown in every territory just because he don't like it....
  3. After 5 weeks.... Valerian still number 1 at the french Box Office this Week-end 1 2 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets EuropaC $1,747,970 -29.8% 940 -30 $1,860 $32,976,922 5 2 1 War for the Planet of the Apes Fox $1,692,022 -34.2% 685 -72 $2,470 $20,357,916 4 3 N The Hitman's Bodyguard Metro. $1,514,169 - 467 - $3,242 $1,514,169 1
  4. Still something that I don't understand here. DM3 did 5.3M admission and mojo annonce a total gross of 37M$ when average ticket price in France is between 10$-15$ (3D) ? Is this because the VAT or exploitant part is excluded ?
  5. Valerian did better on monday than during the week-end... How is this possible ?
  6. Baby Driver will do less than 1/3 of Valerian during the week end and Cars pretty much the same. When you know that Valerian will do a "not so impressive" 30M$ OW and WW2 is also loosing a large part of his audience how can you explain such a disaster ?
  7. Valerian would only do 10M on total run after opening week-end at 30M ? Doesn't sounds verry optimistic even with arrival of new movies.
  8. Valerian is now the 3rd highest grossing movie in the french yearly box office with 30.4M $. This is also due to the huge % of 3D screening (>20% more expensives). As Valerian was still second at the BO this friday it could become 1st at the yearly box office in the coming days (DM is at 37M$). 1 Despicable Me 3 UPI $37,795,472 7/5 2 Raid dingue Path $33,304,269 2/1 3 Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets EuropaC $30,465,246 7/26
  9. In the European Economic Area but you need to be represented by a Belgian Production Company in Belgium --> in this case Belga Film Fund who has a long term partnership with Europacrop.
  10. "Those in the pre-sales world don’t believe what Deadline was told — that 90% of the film’s budget was sold this off around the world in pre-sales and made up by tax credits. They say pre-sales would cover more like 60%. " "Those in the pre-sales world believes"..... That's exactly why I call Deadline bullshit...
  11. Like I said Belga film fund is coproducer via the tax shelter sytem https://www.belgiumfilm.be/film-financing/tax-shelter
  12. I think the key issue to make a sequel will be the ability/will of Luc Besson Europacorp to produce Valerian 2 for a lower Budget. To find savings, he could begin with his own salary estimated at 6M$.... https://www.ecranlarge.com/films/news/950973-valerian-luc-besson-touchera-plus-d-argent-que-tous-les-acteurs-du-film-reunis
  13. We need to be 2 to maintain such a boring conversation. So thank you for being my boring partner on this boring conversation ! I understand that you don't care about being informed on the topic but I put a description of the tax shelter financing system in this link for the interested people : https://www.belgiumfilm.be/film-financing/tax-shelter And yes my native langage is not english (yes "english non-native speaker" does exists in this world and manage to live like normal human beings)... So how is your french ?
  14. http://variety.com/2017/film/news/valerian-box-office-flop-china-1202532674/ As you can see this article gives 300M as the threshold to make a sequel as a citation of Europacorp representatives. But the truth is that US media are bullshit. So you think that making comments on a film and an industry that you obviuously don't want to understand is smart ? It's your right if you don't want to know how european movie industry is working but then just don't comment....
  15. No miracle : 99% of european productions are financed with the help of public incentives.... No Speculation: all public contributions to national movies are published in reports accessible via internet It's not because you don't understand something that it doesn't exists...
  16. My point is that you should never analyse the financial success of european movies like you do for US movies. And most of all you should never make any conclusion on potential sequels or bankrupt of a studio only based on commercial results because there are some investors in Europe (CF Tax Shelter System) who doesn't care at all that the movie will be successfull or not. Best proof is that since 20 years the only sucessfull movie of Luc Besson is Lucy and he was able to fund som high budget production like Arthur, Joan of Arc and Valerian without too much problems. Thank you for making the effort to understand.
  17. Tax credit for european films are public and easily verifiable. Valarian has introduced tax credit request in France and in Belgium reports are public and available on the net (link posted in previous post). 90% of french movies are not profitable and french cinema is only viable because of public incentives. Luc Besson became a kind of master in tax optimisation and public funding. It is also important to know that a big part of Valerian's budget was spend in order to rent studios in "La Cité du Cinéma" all this money ended in the Pocket of... Europacorp (as main exploitant of the studio). Perfect example of non profitable movies followed be multiple sequels : Arthur and the Invisibles (2006) --> directed and produced by Luc besson Budget : 86 m$ Total Gross: 107m $ 1st sequel Arthur and the vengence of Malthasar (2009)--> directed and produced by Luc besson Budget : 80m$ Total Gross: 51m$ 2 sequel Arthur and the war of 2 world (2010)--> directed and produced by Luc besson Budget: 85m$ Total Gross : 50m$ Total Budget of trilogy : 250m $ Total Gross: 210m$
  18. Wouldn't be so sure... rember the flop of "Arthur and the invisibles" ? Well Luc Besson did 2 sequels (even more unsucessfull)....
  19. See my former post. Valerian was also funded by Tax Shelter sytsem in Belgium via Belag Film Fund (could be up to 30m €).
  20. Don't forget also that belgian production company "Belga film" is co-producer of the movie which means that they benefits from the Tax Shelter system in Belgium which allows producer/invester to get tax credit up to 310% of their initial investement. In this system investor don't care about the commercial success of the movies (90% are not sucessfull) they only care about tax credit. The bigger the investment is --> the higher the tax credit. It seems that up to 20% of Valerian's Budget was funded via this system. https://www.nagelmackers.be/fr/notre-vision/actualites/detail/le-tax-shelter-est-il-interessant-pour-votre-societe http://www.belgafilms.be/
  21. Variety and Deadlines are US propaganda bullshit and are stating everything and the countrary to bash the movie. Main investors for the film are : - Orange (main TV and telecom operator in France) --> for french TV "Première" and use of Valerian marketing for selling their products - BNP Paribas (French Bank) --> for use of Valerian marketing (goodies , TV spot and pictures and Credit cards) - Fundamental (Chinese distributor) - Qatari Gulf Film (qatar distrubutor) --> because in France Qatar is ready to spend millions in order to get visibility... (they spend 220m€ to by Neymar Junior for the Paris Saint Germain and they own a huge part of the building in the city center of Paris) Again Europacorp will certainly not produce a sequel because it's NOT a commercial success (altough Besson just stated that if the film reach 300m$ global he will do Valerian 2) but Europacorp still have some Franchises like Taxi (highly popular in France), Taken (TV show under production) or Lucy that represents a value for investors.
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