Crainy
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Wow, those last few pages are an absolute travesty. As soon as Endgame overtook Avatar, people descended upon this thread like a rapid pack of dogs and the immensely disrespectful shitposting just would not stop. No worthwhile discussion to be found anywhere. About the JCS scholar thing: I dont really care about if he had alt-accounts or not and I dont think its that important. As long as he has interesting thoughts to share and contributed to the discussion in a constructive way, which he definitely did, its fine by me. Im glad this board has now shown its true colors. When I joined here, I had hoped this would be a place where more measured and fruitful discussion about movies can take place, but now I realize that this board is pretty much the same as any discussion board on the internet. It just seems to be that in openly and easily available discussion board, most of the active members just do not have enough knowledge about movies and art, or basic etiquette for that matter, for wortwhile discussion to take place. So I guess Im leaving here because this board isnt what Im looking for.
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I mean you are definitely right, AEG is the most corporate a movie can be. Marvel movies have always been the very definition of assembly line productions and just like with video games, people less knowledgable about the art form suck that stuff up. And thats something that can really be seen in most markets: Shallow, streamlined products that appeal to a very broad audience are generally speaking the most successful. About AEG breaking Avatars record: I always thought it was a possibility that this could happen, though theres no doubt the way it ended up happening is definitely not the achievement that it could have been. Basically what Marvel did is they just kept Endgame in the cinemas until it rolled slowly passed Avatars record in a wheelchair. I know that Avatar was very long in the cinema too and had a re-release aswell, however, both of these things were due to the fact that there was a large continued interest in people wanting to see the movie, as such Avatars long run and re-release was a natural response to the demand of the market. This wasnt the case with Endgame, the movie was basically just unnaturally kept on life support to break an arbitrary record. And thats the real thing about this: The unadjusted record is arbitrary. Adjusted for inflation, Avatar still eclipses Endgame by a long shot (and there are movies that still eclipse Avatar by quite abit). You can bring up exchange rates and stuff all you want, but as I said before that stuff is already accounted for in alot of "adjusted for inflation" measurements. Thats the reason why I dont think this particular record is noteworthy. Avatar completely eclipsed all other movies unadjusted when it came out and thats why it was a big achievement, because it said something about the success of the movie in the cultural environment it released in. Thats where I think the value of measuring an unadjusted record lies. And if Endgame eclipsed Avatar by a long shot, the same could have been said for that movie aswell. However, the way it just barely rolled past Avatar while on life-support isnt a big statement in Endgames favor. This way its just a very successful movie that passed an arbitrary number, but its not a statement about its cultural relevance.
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This is my take away from this aswell. Wow, what a move to go with this kind of visual style. If nothing else, this will be a very unique movie for sure...
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Yeah. Avatar stayed in theaters that long because it took a very long time for interest to drop in the movie. People just wouldnt stop seeing it in theaters.
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Thats one way of putting it. One thing I really dislike about this whole thing is how disingenious it feels. EG couldnt beat Avatar unadjusted and when adjusted for inflation, it didnt even come close. Pretty much all Marvel fans really wanted that record too, but seeing how its out of reach now, SUDDENLY its the admissions that are the most important, even though noone talked about them before? Thats just embarrassing. Marvel fans have to ask themselves, if they have to move the goalpost 12 times over in order to get an edge over Avatar in anything, what is your record even worth, even if you should get it? Not to even mention that when counted by admissions, neither Avatar nor EG even hold the crown so its kind of pointless.
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Gone with the Wind is my bet. I actually think Avatar might have Titanic beat when judged by admissions.
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These are all really good points. It didn't even occur to me that when counted by admissions, neither Avatar nor Endgame would be in the first place anyway, even though it's actually quite obvious.
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Yeah, you are just talking bullshit man. Avatar is the bigger movie, both unaccounted for inflation and especially when accounting for inflation, where Avatar is so far ahead that no amount of exchange rate differences matter. What you are saying is just numbers twisting to get to a result you prefer and its meaningless. And yes, adjusted for inflation often DOES account for exchange rates. Infact alot of "adjusted for inflation" lists are often times misleadingly titled. They are less about inflation and more about accounting for all factors that could screw with the monetary numbers. Their purpose is more to get a closer look at "tickets sold" rather than money, especially for older movies were those numbers just aren't available.
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Yeah, this doesnt sound right. Show me receipts and I believe it, but its pretty clear from the data that measured by tickets sold, Avatar absolutely outclasses EG and its not even close. Additionally to that, the exchange rates are often times part of the calculations when measuring adjusted for inflation and they show Avatar beeing in a completely different ballpark to EG. Its not close.
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I wouldnt say knowing the basic plot outline of a movie qualifies as "everything". Unless your assessment is that Ant-Man turning into a baby is everything there is to it to that movie, in which case we are in agreement. Anyhow, if this re-release is just in the US, I dont think it will matter, I cant see it making another 50 million just in US on one weekend. Its barely a re-release, the movie is still playing where I live. If its WW, then it has a shot.
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I remember how bad it was, yeah. It was a very disappointing movie for me to watch and I dont even like the MCU. I guess that could be considered a major achievement?
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"And then Ant-Man turned into a baby, Daddy!" "And what happened next?" "All of my favorite heroes went back in time and undid all the bad stuff the evil guy did!" Seriously, what you guys see in this movie is beyond me...
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The plot and quotes of Endgame were so forgettable that I barely remembered anything about the movie after leaving the theater...
