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Wow, those last few pages are an absolute travesty. As soon as Endgame overtook Avatar, people descended upon this thread like a rapid pack of dogs and the immensely disrespectful shitposting just would not stop. No worthwhile discussion to be found anywhere. About the JCS scholar thing: I dont really care about if he had alt-accounts or not and I dont think its that important. As long as he has interesting thoughts to share and contributed to the discussion in a constructive way, which he definitely did, its fine by me. Im glad this board has now shown its true colors. When I joined here, I had hoped this would be a place where more measured and fruitful discussion about movies can take place, but now I realize that this board is pretty much the same as any discussion board on the internet. It just seems to be that in openly and easily available discussion board, most of the active members just do not have enough knowledge about movies and art, or basic etiquette for that matter, for wortwhile discussion to take place. So I guess Im leaving here because this board isnt what Im looking for.
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I mean you are definitely right, AEG is the most corporate a movie can be. Marvel movies have always been the very definition of assembly line productions and just like with video games, people less knowledgable about the art form suck that stuff up. And thats something that can really be seen in most markets: Shallow, streamlined products that appeal to a very broad audience are generally speaking the most successful. About AEG breaking Avatars record: I always thought it was a possibility that this could happen, though theres no doubt the way it ended up happening is definitely not the achievement that it could have been. Basically what Marvel did is they just kept Endgame in the cinemas until it rolled slowly passed Avatars record in a wheelchair. I know that Avatar was very long in the cinema too and had a re-release aswell, however, both of these things were due to the fact that there was a large continued interest in people wanting to see the movie, as such Avatars long run and re-release was a natural response to the demand of the market. This wasnt the case with Endgame, the movie was basically just unnaturally kept on life support to break an arbitrary record. And thats the real thing about this: The unadjusted record is arbitrary. Adjusted for inflation, Avatar still eclipses Endgame by a long shot (and there are movies that still eclipse Avatar by quite abit). You can bring up exchange rates and stuff all you want, but as I said before that stuff is already accounted for in alot of "adjusted for inflation" measurements. Thats the reason why I dont think this particular record is noteworthy. Avatar completely eclipsed all other movies unadjusted when it came out and thats why it was a big achievement, because it said something about the success of the movie in the cultural environment it released in. Thats where I think the value of measuring an unadjusted record lies. And if Endgame eclipsed Avatar by a long shot, the same could have been said for that movie aswell. However, the way it just barely rolled past Avatar while on life-support isnt a big statement in Endgames favor. This way its just a very successful movie that passed an arbitrary number, but its not a statement about its cultural relevance.
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This is my take away from this aswell. Wow, what a move to go with this kind of visual style. If nothing else, this will be a very unique movie for sure...
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Yeah. Avatar stayed in theaters that long because it took a very long time for interest to drop in the movie. People just wouldnt stop seeing it in theaters.
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Thats one way of putting it. One thing I really dislike about this whole thing is how disingenious it feels. EG couldnt beat Avatar unadjusted and when adjusted for inflation, it didnt even come close. Pretty much all Marvel fans really wanted that record too, but seeing how its out of reach now, SUDDENLY its the admissions that are the most important, even though noone talked about them before? Thats just embarrassing. Marvel fans have to ask themselves, if they have to move the goalpost 12 times over in order to get an edge over Avatar in anything, what is your record even worth, even if you should get it? Not to even mention that when counted by admissions, neither Avatar nor EG even hold the crown so its kind of pointless.
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Gone with the Wind is my bet. I actually think Avatar might have Titanic beat when judged by admissions.
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These are all really good points. It didn't even occur to me that when counted by admissions, neither Avatar nor Endgame would be in the first place anyway, even though it's actually quite obvious.
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Yeah, you are just talking bullshit man. Avatar is the bigger movie, both unaccounted for inflation and especially when accounting for inflation, where Avatar is so far ahead that no amount of exchange rate differences matter. What you are saying is just numbers twisting to get to a result you prefer and its meaningless. And yes, adjusted for inflation often DOES account for exchange rates. Infact alot of "adjusted for inflation" lists are often times misleadingly titled. They are less about inflation and more about accounting for all factors that could screw with the monetary numbers. Their purpose is more to get a closer look at "tickets sold" rather than money, especially for older movies were those numbers just aren't available.
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Yeah, this doesnt sound right. Show me receipts and I believe it, but its pretty clear from the data that measured by tickets sold, Avatar absolutely outclasses EG and its not even close. Additionally to that, the exchange rates are often times part of the calculations when measuring adjusted for inflation and they show Avatar beeing in a completely different ballpark to EG. Its not close.
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I wouldnt say knowing the basic plot outline of a movie qualifies as "everything". Unless your assessment is that Ant-Man turning into a baby is everything there is to it to that movie, in which case we are in agreement. Anyhow, if this re-release is just in the US, I dont think it will matter, I cant see it making another 50 million just in US on one weekend. Its barely a re-release, the movie is still playing where I live. If its WW, then it has a shot.
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I remember how bad it was, yeah. It was a very disappointing movie for me to watch and I dont even like the MCU. I guess that could be considered a major achievement?
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"And then Ant-Man turned into a baby, Daddy!" "And what happened next?" "All of my favorite heroes went back in time and undid all the bad stuff the evil guy did!" Seriously, what you guys see in this movie is beyond me...
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The plot and quotes of Endgame were so forgettable that I barely remembered anything about the movie after leaving the theater...
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We never saw it coming: Disney is actually trying to perfectly match Endgames box office to that of Avatars. Then BOTH are the most successful movie of all time. And the extra scene added to the end of EG in the re-release will be Thor landing on Pandora, revealing the start of the combined Avatar Marvel Cinematic Universe. The theater erupts into cheers as artistic integrity hides in the corner, pretending it was never there.
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Endgame rerelease? Sure, lets see how that goes. But isnt EG still in the cinema? I mean, if you consider that the movie has barely finished its run, it could just be that this mean the "rerelease" will not make significantely more than any movie that has entered its 6th or 7th week. Avatar has made more money worldwide adjusted then Titanic, if I recall correctly. Also, if what you describe actually happens, that would be hilarious and an incredible power move by Disney.
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Terminator: Dark Fate | Nov 1 2019 | Estimated to lose 122.6M
Crainy replied to grim22's topic in Box Office Discussion
Only because you can link 3 bad youtube videos here doesnt mean the trailer wasnt received positively overall. -
I think Avatar 2 has a good chance of doing Infinity War/Endgame numbers WW. Im not really sure if it will be able to outgross the first one WW
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Yeah sorry, but this isnt even a contest. Endgame had an impressive opening, but at no point during its run did it ever stand the chance of reaching Avatars run when adjusted for inflation and other factors. Its becoming increasingly clear that Avatar wasnt just a huge run in our current times, but will remain one of the most impressive cinema runs for pretty much the rest of time, like "Gone with the Wind". Those two movies are just in a league of its own. They were able to capture the imagination of basically an entire generation and populace, regardless of demographic.
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I'm pretty confident that when adjusted for inflation, no movie will outgross Avatar in the next 10 years, probably even much much longer than that, for several decades. And even when taking inflation into consideration, I think it's unlikely that Avatar will be beaten anytime soon.
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Yeah, I think so aswell. I think its sorta unlikely Avatar 2 will be able to reach Avatars gross, its not impossible, but I think its unlikely. What I think is more interesting, now that Endgame has failed to outgross Avatar WW, what movie ever could reach that? Endgame was the ultimate weapon from one of the most successful and long-running movie franchises to date and it failed to reach Avatar and it was the only movie to ever come close. This basically makes it a lock that no movie will reach Avatar for atleast a decade, possibly even several decades, until inflation does its thing. I think this endgame thing puts Avatars success in an entirely new light: Its not only one of the two most successfull movies in cinema history, but, when adjusted for inflation, like "Gone with the Wind" its possible that no movie yet to be released will ever surpass Avatar again. Or atleast not for a very, very long time, as in many many decades. In a way, Avatar could probably be looked at as the ceiling of the maximum a movie can make in our current times.
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I remember you were the guy that argued with me that Endgame beating Avatar is all but certain, to which I replied that it's far from certain and all the people celebrating early will feel pretty fucking stupid. Guess I was right.
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Terminator: Dark Fate | Nov 1 2019 | Estimated to lose 122.6M
Crainy replied to grim22's topic in Box Office Discussion
Im excited, this will certainly be a movie.
