Ororo Munroe

This is funny because I'm never the one to go after anyone first. I only make reference to what others have predicted after they feel the need to call me out as if they were personally insulted by my opinion. If only you thought it was equally as silly for people to get offended by others saying numbers aren't locked... Anyhow, at the same time I said 600 wasn't guaranteed I said it would cross that mark but 650 was not locked and that was true yet some took offense. Without IMAX, my prediction of 620-625 would be more accurate than those claiming 650 was locked and 700 was in play. And I would rather be one who shows caution and allows a movie to give proof of what it can make rather than giving premature over predictions.

Mind you, this was back before the first week was even over. Sue me for not yet being convinced it was going to do those numbers way back then. Safe to say, most weren't predicting that. Hardly the same as making claims about it doing TGM numbers weeks after it was already showing weaker legs. That was nothing more than wishful thinking.

I guess no one knows which is why its funny to see people talking about numbers being locked. Then again, some were claiming weeks ago (even before the IMAX announcement) that Barbie would do Top Gun numbers when there were no signs of that. Lol

From what I've noticed, you seem to like overestimating giving it a few extra million when clearly it hasn't been holding that well. With IMAX it may very well reach 650 but it was never locked for 650, certainly not before that announcement.

Streaming is coming for Barbie. Lol And it will be interesting to see exactly how much IMAX will add. We might be overestimating especially if it's limited.

To be clear, I didn't say it's something Denzel would never do. I don't know Denzel. Lol I said I don't think he would and that's based on how he's conducted himself not just as an actor but as a director and producer.

Unless Barbie starts to drop better than it did before the last two inflated weekends then 660 is definitely more on the optimistic side. I would think 650 with IMAX is more likely, maybe it could get to 660 if IMAX does even better. But this will be late September. Not sure the numbers can really go that big.

Well yes if we're specifically talking about Black actors. Otherwise JDW fits right in with many white actors who either benefit from nepotism, whiteness and/or having the privilege of working with big name directors who wouldn't think of hiring Black or POC leads. Olivia is a great example of how nepotism can only take you so far, even if you're talented. I've seen Denzel praise her and she's gotten good reviews for her performance in I'm A Virgo but she was never going to be a star because she doesn't fit Hollywood's beauty standards.

I didn't even read the full tweet but what evidence is there that this is following TGM? Lol Its been showing weaker legs for some time now.

I can understand this perspective but at the same time, it's pretty myopic. How many actors under 40 have even half as much charisma, talent or are as compelling to watch as Denzel? Feels like we vastly underestimate his legacy by expecting any of these younger actors to be as good, son or not. Denzel was responsible for JDW being cast in The Piano Lesson btw and yeah we can say "nepotism" but I don't think Denzel would have cast him if he didn't think he would do a good job.

No chance? PTA himself said he wanted to work with Denzel. Lol I don't need to see Denzel work with any of these directors, honestly. His legacy has long been solidified. But it would be really cool to see him work with Nolan, as a fan of both. I don't get the beef with JDW. He's a decent actor to me. I've watched him in 5 different projects and the only bad performance imo was Malcolm and Marie but to frank, nothing about that was good, not even Zendaya's performance. He just got good reviews for his performance in The Piano Lesson on Broadway and the movie adaptation is coming, likely next year. I'm looking forward to it. Great cast. Ummm, I noticed Deadline did not alter its 4 day estimate for Barbie. Do they think WB is overestimating again?

20M seems like a stretch to me given that this is happening late september but who knows. Depending on when its announced to debut on streaming, that could affect its late legs as well. Dicaprio, Pitt and every other A-list white actor has gotten to work with directors who rarely, if ever, cast Black leads (lets be real) so not exactly a fair comparison.

He's been in some good movies this century, believe it or not. Frank Lucas/American Gangster is one of his most iconic "characters"/performances and that happened this century. There's a reason his rep remains iconic.

This whole century? That's a lot of movies but ok, not really interested in debating quality. Lol He can only take better roles if they're offered.

I see 650M is still not locked for Barbie (sorry have to point that out for those who chastised me lol). I guess playing in IMAX for a week could potentially get it there though. Denzel is nearly 70 years old and has proven himself multiple times over, why does he need a challenge? But also, are any of these celebrated directors offering up scripts to Denzel? I know maybe a year or two ago, he mentioned that he had talks with PTA, McQueen, Cuarón but PTA is the only one I can think of who's even talked about wanting to work with Denzel. I highly doubt he's turning down great scripts so I would question why he isn't being offered better, if anything.

Not into the comparisons but I loved Minari, should have won best picture imo.

EEAAO is a truly original film and not a blockbuster which worked in its favor. Barbie being a blockbuster and being called BARBIE will work against it. I think it will get a bunch of noms but no wins in the major categories, except for maybe screenplay. CODA is my second favorite BP win of the last decade, honestly (behind Moonlight). An unpretentious, feel good movie winning is refreshing once in awhile. I would not put it in the same category as Green Book, which is truly one of the worst BP wins.

What doesn’t stand up exactly? It’s pretty much fact that Barbie needs sub 40s drops to hit 650 or more yeah? That’s not something we can just assume will happen. If it doesn’t happen this week then it’s even less likely to happen next weekend with a new opener likely taking screens yeah? The idea that it might not hit 650 should not be unfathomable.

This doesn't even make sense. Lol Sorry my narrative isn't "650 locked, it can beat TGM!" 😂

Ok and I don't think that negates anything I said. Some people thought it could get a sub 40s drop last weekend despite the competition which is fine but it didn't happen. I try not to assume anything one way or another. Again my post was about if it does have another similar drop, which would be a pattern. My tone wouldn't be an issue without the accusations that I'm "guilty" of something. I don't think not being as optimistic about a movie as someone else should have people so bothered but here we are.

This is funny because I'm talking about what is (over 40% drops two weeks in a row) and you're talking about what may happened based on lack of competition. Lol If Barbie can manage a sub 40s this week, then it won't be a pattern and the numbers could very well go up. My post was based on if it has another drop of 40% or more, which I think would qualify as a pattern. Oh the horror of being "guilty" of thinking a movie isn't locked before it actually is locked. 😂 Being doubtful gets more ire than unrealistic over predictions, like those who just couldn't see how it wouldn't achieve a 100M second weekend. Lol!

Last week was 43% and unless/until the pattern changes, Avengers territory is a realistic expectation. Avengers also had the benefit of falling into peak summer late into its run whereas Barbies legs will likely not be as strong going forward.

What's your point? Lol

That would likely mean a drop of 40, 41%. IJS. Lol If so, a pattern has definitely developed where Barbie has strong Mondays/weekdays (though that will lessen more as schools start back) and softer Fri/Sat jumps. It could very well end up in Avengers territory, around 620-625.

650/750 would put Barbie at 1.4B. How much are people expecting it to make in Japan? Lol