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I think that crowd considers anything without overt messaging to be anti-woke. That's why movie's like G-1 get drawn into the debate. I saw G-1 yesterday, and it was great. Every single movie doesn't need to give female characters agency (especially in historical settings where it would be immersion-breaking). It's fine to have a male-centric movie every once and a while, especially one as well made as this.

Both me and my sister saw the Last Jedi. We didn't 'hate' it, but we stopped caring (that movie turned star wars into a joke). Neither of us has seen the third movie whose name I can't be bothered to look up.' So yes, Last Jedi was enjoyable spectacle in a space balls kind of way.

I love the box office forum for the numbers and analysis, but it really has become an echo chamber. This saddens me a little.

Damn, you caught me before my edit.

So tied with the eternals and quantumania for the MCU's lowest cinemascore.

Funny, I have every thunderbolt comic up to issue 91 in a box in the basement, yet I have zero interest in seeing the movie. Rather, I dread what they'll do to my favorite comic run. For example, when fixer (white in comics) disguises himself as mach-one, his appearance is a black man. Nowadays that's called blackface, right? There's no way they'll keep that (it's a villain disguising himself, it shouldn't matter!). I don't even want to think about everything they'll change.

Moving this to thunderbolt thread

Rather than superhero burnout, I think it's that a lot of people have been "burnt" by disappointing superhero movies lately and are waiting for positive wom before heading to the cinema. That's why Guardian's 3 started low, but legged it out to a decent total. That's my 2 cents. (but don't trust me, I was completely wrong about barbie's legs)

We'll see. You might be right. All I know is that there is apparently some very heavy messaging in this film that is going to catch people by surprise. I just can't imagine this type of "bait and switch" is good for a movie's legs.

Well there it goes, 600m is locked. I just checked out of curiosity, and the last jedi had an A cinema score too: (honestly surprised about that.) https://twitter.com/CinemaScore/status/942037792544251904 There is a reason I bring this up. Both films had great trailers that hid potentially divisive elements. (no one was talking about how feminist barbie was until the review embargo lifted). I don't think the legs will be as bad a the last jedi (I haven't seen the movie, so I can't can't say for sure), but I don't think this will have staying power normally expected of an A cinema score. (I noticed projections for 72.5 friday earlier today, then it's down to 70). That's just my two cents.

Bullying an eighty year old man isn't the way to make a character endearing, especially when he's so beloved.

Unlikeable, badly written women are bad. From what I heard, PWB steals from Indie, tells police to shoot indie, and punches him unconscious. Why would I want to see that?

I'll respond to this by saying the Holdo maneuver is the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a major movie franchise. To drive home just how stupid that scene is, imagine a movie set on earth where the heroine runs the villain over with a car. The film then makes clear that no one on earth knew that "driving really fast into something causes damage" and that the heroine is a genius for figuring this out. God, I'm still peeved about it.

btw, how do the letters work? What do they mean?

Too true. I've been amazed at some of the mild toast comments that have gotten me warnings. I now mostly only lurk.