Sanderson

Sometimes actors just find themselves in a failed movie. Doesn't mean they're doomed. There was a guy who went on to win an Oscar and be Batman after starring in Gigli. If someone can recover from that, then I think Elgort may still have a pulse.

FTFY

Quite the achievement. It is also an interesting discussion point regarding legs. This movie made more money after opening weekend than all but 3 films, yet it is criticized for having mediocre legs because legs are typically judged by the multiplier of the opening weekend. I'm not saying that this measure is bad, but it doesn't tell the whole story. In cases where there is a huge must see factor or spoiler concern, maybe it is good to look at the post opening weekend gross just as much as the multiplier. If we were to take this to an absurd conclusion, a movie that grossed 500 million in its first weekend and then 950 million afterwards (more than any movie ever) would be considered to have poor legs despite making more money than any movie ever after opening weekend.

Agreed. To add to that list, RotK, which was the second movie to ever cross the billion dollar mark was an 3 hours and 20 minutes long. People will sit still and pay attention for three hours or more if you give them a good reason to do so.

Other than box office, I follow a lot of hockey blogs that focus on the burgeoning statistical analysis side of the game (if you're looking for a good fanwar, look for people who disagree on that stuff). Your post here gave me a thought. Would it be possible to come up with some sort of formula with variables that can be adjusted for country, year released, number of theatres built in the country etc. that could give a rough approximation of what a given movie would gross today. This wouldn't be perfect obviously, but it could be interesting to see calculations like this. Moreover, it would be interesting to see the conversations about how different factors should be included and how much they should be weighted. I mean, it would also involve everyone agreeing to not get defensive about certain films... so this is a terrible idea, nevermind.

With so many duds in this franchise post T2, I'd kind of given up on this franchise ever being really good again. It would be great if this one actually hit it out of the park. Hell, I'd take getting on base so they could build off of this movie. Every movie since T2 has been a failed reboot attempt. Maybe this is the one to do it!

Maybe we should start talking about anime and manga in here. It ended up chilling out the fanwars thread pretty well...

Despite my best efforts, I never could really get into anime or manga. I barely know what half of the last two pages are talking about, yet I've loved these last two pages. This has been pleasant! @WhiteWings: I thought the Berserk anime was pretty fun... until about 2/3 of the way through part 3... not what I signed up for man.

Yeah, this. The foundation of the Terminator series is a woman who goes from being a terrible waitress to great cyborg killer. Funny, neither myself nor any of the men I know had a problem with that back in the day. My guess is, if the movie is done well none of us will have a problem with this either. Maybe I'm wrong though and this movie will be doomed like Captain Marvel was...

Nearly choked on my drink. I must say @Pure Spirit that you are hitting the cover off the ball lately. Also, I don't understand why Groundhog Day didn't hit the 3 billion mark.

Gotta love this thread. No other place on the internet has had me so enthralled with the numbers 2.49, 2.54, 2.55, 2.8, 2.78, 2.74, 2.78, 2.8, 2.88 and now 2.84. At least the number 3 was eliminated fairly early on. Hate that number.

If it is possible to put all of the fandom stuff aside, this would really be interesting information. The two biggest movies dollarwise of all-time compared in terms of admissions. Also broken down regionally. One of the big reasons I have lurked here for years is I see box office numbers as a window (albeit a small one) into what people find compelling on a national and global scale. Seeing how two massive event films compare in both dollars and admissions is really interesting. If you're worried about bias, make a point of fact checking and offering alternative hypotheses. I doubt anyone is going to be able to pull a fast one over this whole community and slant the numbers. Maybe I am beyond naive here, but... Why can't this be fun?

I mean... I liked the movie but...

Sigh. I remember watching X2 in theaters. What a blast. Then X3 promptly ruined it. Then Origins: Wolverine took a big ol' dump on the grave. Then First Class and DOFP brought things back! Then Logan blew the roof off the joint! ... And it ends like this. Please insert Matrix Switch gif. Sad.

That lack of a China extension... there are scenarios where that could end up being the difference. That is a very stupid reason to not like a country... but... (yes, I know China absolutely delivered all of the goods for this movie and more... but...)