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  1. While I don't agree with the dismissive tone and shortness of this post, I do agree with the notion that this list.... thoroughly explained and backed up with obviously thought-through support for the opinions given, thankfully.... is a not-very-good representation of the best horror the 2010s offered up. My thinking on "Best of" lists for years (or decades) is.... even if you disagree with some of the placements or titles, you could step back from the list and evaluate it on the basis of whether or not a total novice to the genre (or medium, even) could use the list as a good place to dive in and get a great sense of what the time period had to offer at its top tiers. If I took that list and did that step-back, I'd feel like the 2010s were fairly misrepresented in terms of what happened in that genre.... But then again, at the end of the day, all lists are just a representation of what worked for the writer, and if we're lucky, the writer will explain WHY it worked on them... that does happen in this list, and it doesn't happen enough in MANY lists, so even if I disagree with the list's makeup, I very much appreciate the effort, and seeing it shared. Just to put money where my mouth is.... Movies I would put on this list over most of the choices (I'd try to keep It Follows, Mandy, and Midsommar) : Get Out, The Babadook, Hereditary, A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night, The Witch, Raw, Green Room, Train to Busan, Kill List, Revenge, 10 Cloverfield Lane, Black Swan, You're Next, Tigers are Not Afraid, The Perfection, One Cut of the Dead
  2. The film is very much focused on the fact they're old, they can't do what they used to, and they should start accepting that, and focusing on making amends for past behaviors and doing what they can to make the world better for future generations. Not to make it sound all lovey-dovey because there's still a ton of nastiness and violence and gross-out-gags all over the place. But yeah, there's a lot of "we're old" jokes because 50+ is pretty old to be riding motorcycles with miniguns on them and jumping off of moving semis onto a helicopter. It's fine.
  3. LOL... just a reminder, as I dig into this heaping pot of stewed crow: no matter how confidently someone on a fan-based messageboard might sound, 9 times out of 10 they probably don't really know what they're talking about.
  4. "The Entrenched Nerds" at Marvel aren't really doing anything that either adheres to, or nods to, anything resembling "canon" the way everyone understands it.... Marvel movies are always most concerned with being good movies first, and will discard anything from the "canon" such as it is, that doesn't fit. It's why Marvel movies have almost nothing to do with the comics they're "based" on outside of the general concept of a character, and the vague outline of a story. Everything else gets tossed. The creative committee getting tossed was good because it was that creative committee that was constantly vetoing cool movie ideas based on the notion that "it wouldn't work that way in the comics." and "Character X doesn't behave that way in my stories..." The way that creative committee worked is almost exactly the same way the "story group" works now at Lucasfilm, and as much as those people do a very hard, and very thankless job.... the truth is that focusing THAT strongly on "canon" and the concerns of a tiny fandom that cares that much about canon is limiting the studio's potential.
  5. The thing that most appeals to audiences and fans is being good, period.... the fact so many people just automatically consider those two things ("being good" and "appealing to fans") to be inherently separate should say something.... The whole reason any of these properties have fans is because they created them by being good movies... The Rise of Skywalker's interest was lower than The Last Jedi's, but not by much. It wasn't until it became very obvious the movie wasn't going to be good that the interest finally dropped to where the "fandom" had been (falsely) saying it was after Last Jedi and Solo. Fandom isn't anywhere near as important to box-office as people in a Fandom think it is. That's been one of the most consistent delusions OF Fandom over the past 20 years. Endgame's box-office is mostly due to the film being well-made and engaging and enabling the general audience (which outnumbers the fandom by a massive degree) to thoroughly enjoy it, not because it specifically "appealed" to its fandom. In fact, people don't like to remember this, but.... Marvel's biggest successes as a studio, both from a critical and financial perspective, only came when their version of a story group got disbanded, and fandom concerns were essentially ignored.
  6. I think the performance by this movie makes it clear those predictions were also off-base, just in the other direction.... When everyone was making those predictions, they were 100% not making them under the assumption this would be the worst reviewed Star Wars movie in 20+ years.... not counting The Clone Wars, of course (which nobody counts, nor should they). The fact this movie had to have reviews that bad, and word of mouth that low, in order for the "Fandom fractured!" predictions to get close to correct.... That says that the Fandom Fracture wasn't really that important at all. Star Wars' finishing the sequel trilogy on a critical and financial disappointment (not failure, not flop, but disappointment) will, however, be a catalyst for a whole bunch of people to reassess how much importance they want to put on "fandom" going forward... Which is a good thing, ultimately. Because the less everyone involved pays attention to "the fandom" the better the filmmaking is going to be in general, and the box-office will likely rise accordingly.
  7. So the word "naked" shows up in an interview and "Reylo" goes wild? LOL. Gotta love it. Reylo is interesting: When it began, it was a very basic-ass ship. It wasn't even the most popular one, for what that's worth... I believe people shipping Finn and Poe was more talked about at the time, really... Reylo was just this basic thing off to the side, your run of the mill "ooh, the bad boy and the good girl are gonna have sex!" fanfic fantasy. Which is all well and good and fine and whatever... And then, between TFA and TLJ, it became this weird extension of its shippers, and in doing so became a focus of validation for them. It wasn't enough that there were acres of fic for these shippers to flick through... it needed to be canonized so that they could claim a "win" of some sort against those who thought their basic-ass ship was dumb, whoever those people might be. And somewhere in there, the entire idea of Reylo got so diluted that any one-way expression of feeling that could even be remotely interpreted as romantic became "proof" that their ship was now canon. Kylo is shirtless? REYLO. Rey wants to save him? REYLO. They touch hands for a 10th of a second? REEYYLOOOO.... And that's only counting people who still look at it as a romantic ship. For many people, Reylo isn't romantic at all, it's become an extended metaphor for their own personal experiences with emotional abuse. The whole thing is this really weird example of self-insertion and re-definition for the sake of "winning" at shipping, which is... not how shipping works? Or has ever worked? You "ship" because you like fanfic and you enjoy reading it and getting off to it, and the fact it's not canon isn't a big deal, and in most cases is a big part of WHY it works... But Reylo isn't that. Reylo is this new sort of all-consuming, metastasizing form of fandom that isn't about enjoying things, it's about winning at being the best fan.... The uniqueness of it isn't in the ship itself, but in seeing that sort of gatekeeping, scorekeeping outlook fully owned by a group of people who historically are gatekept and counted out. Star Wars fandom is the worst... nobody has ever really enjoyed Star Wars more because they got at all involved in the fandom... And being able to say "I told you so" doesn't make a movie better, no matter what. It doesn't have anything to do with the movie at all. And all the "I told you so's" in the world aren't ever going to put your name in the credits, so...
  8. How is that "fanservice" and not just.... story-telling? When did "thing that happens in the course of normal story-telling" become "fanservice" for everyone? People don't even recognize how cynical that is... People are so eager to second-guess literally EVERYTHING that even the act of being satisfied by a story is considered to be some sort of "pandering" at its core....
  9. Anyone who hears that quote and seizes on the "within reason" part is someone telling on themselves as to how unreasonable they tend to be... Part of the reason I keep drifting away from Star Wars conversation... and lately Marvel conversation... is because people refuse to admit there are bad faith arguments being spread by toxic people.... usually because they are scared to be confused with those people... but instead of denouncing them as well, they choose instead to argue that these groups don't "really" exist, or are too tiny to "count" and that way they get to dismiss them entirely.... They could make their argument AND simultaneously acknowlege... and then distance themselves from.... bad faith and toxic arguments, really easily too... but so often people in Star Wars discussions never do that... they'd rather pour all their energy into pretending "those people" don't really exist, and yell about how unfair it is their opinions get lumped in with those guys... while never doing a single thing to distance themselves from them... sometimes they say "I shouldn't have to..." and sometimes they just secretly agree but know better than to say that out loud... And then eventually, some of THOSE folks just decide to join them... and that's how you end up with whatever that "Fandom Menace" thing is that got posted in here earlier... It's really weird how a movie series like Star Wars so frequently finds itself at ground zero for some of the ugliest sociological trends, especially considering the themes it wears right on its sleeve. But I guess that's what happens in any religion when the structure and the power fantasy is what you pay more attention to than the compassion and the message. It's partially why I'm so interested in "The end" of the Skywalker Saga. Interested enough to keep coming back to Star Wars conversation even though it's not been fun on average for a while now... But "the end" Is as good an opportunity as any to see what really happens when this cultural touchstone is forced to be something other than what it's been... and what it's been used as.... for the last 40 years.
  10. That's easy: Top Critics only... Also, remember that when the OT came out, print media was thriving and not the hollowed out mess it currently is today. Once you subtract all the sub-par writers and thinkers who make up 3/4ths of the Rotten Tomatoes roll-call, it's probably a much more even comparison between every major city having three or four paid film and cultural critics of worth and note vs the 100+ people given top critics status at Rotten Tomatoes... yes, I know there are outliers in the top critics section that probably shouldn't be in there.... mediocre youtubers and such... but you get the point...
  11. I don't think that devalues the OT's performance at all. There's a stat for what you're discussing, isn't there? Or rather, there could be... You just measure the distance between what Star Wars made that year and what the rest of that year's top 10 made.... Or find the average of all that year's movies, and compare the OT's performance to that.... That should give you a really solid idea of how far out ahead of the pack those movies were, and you don't have to use really bad math like "inflation calculators" to get there... Also, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi weren't unanimously beloved by critics, either. They were both pretty well liked... but there's some wiggle room where the Sequel Trilogy could possibly wrap up its run with overall better reviews, and more of them, than the Original Trilogy had...
  12. Why do you guys think I don't understand what "The floor" means? I think 700 mil domestic IS "TLJ reception" for this movie.... Besides, TLJ reception wasn't bad at all. Most people liked it a lot... It's weird how putting a number out there is at all controversial on a box-office message board... Should I have made my uber-safe prediction in a 300 million dollar range first and backed slowly into saying what I really think over the course of a couple months?
  13. But if that's what I believe then why would I stop using that word? I 100% believe 700 mil domestic is the minimum this movie will make. Why does it bother you that I'm that certain? If I'm wrong, I'm the one who gets to say "whoops, I was wrong" later, not you... And besides: Who really cares if I'm wrong? I don't... It doesn't really matter if I guess the box-office of a Star Wars movie incorrectly. This is a pretty low-stakes game we're all playing here, LOL... editing to add: I'm not willing to be that confident in calling the Opening Weekend numbers, though. I don't know what this movie is going to open to. I feel very confident in saying it'll be over 200 mil domestic at least, but I don't know how much higher than that it'll go.... I guess if I wanted to be "safe" with my prediction it'd be somewhere between 200-300. That's a very roomy range...
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