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  1. So the word "naked" shows up in an interview and "Reylo" goes wild? LOL. Gotta love it. Reylo is interesting: When it began, it was a very basic-ass ship. It wasn't even the most popular one, for what that's worth... I believe people shipping Finn and Poe was more talked about at the time, really... Reylo was just this basic thing off to the side, your run of the mill "ooh, the bad boy and the good girl are gonna have sex!" fanfic fantasy. Which is all well and good and fine and whatever... And then, between TFA and TLJ, it became this weird extension of its shippers, and in doing so became a focus of validation for them. It wasn't enough that there were acres of fic for these shippers to flick through... it needed to be canonized so that they could claim a "win" of some sort against those who thought their basic-ass ship was dumb, whoever those people might be. And somewhere in there, the entire idea of Reylo got so diluted that any one-way expression of feeling that could even be remotely interpreted as romantic became "proof" that their ship was now canon. Kylo is shirtless? REYLO. Rey wants to save him? REYLO. They touch hands for a 10th of a second? REEYYLOOOO.... And that's only counting people who still look at it as a romantic ship. For many people, Reylo isn't romantic at all, it's become an extended metaphor for their own personal experiences with emotional abuse. The whole thing is this really weird example of self-insertion and re-definition for the sake of "winning" at shipping, which is... not how shipping works? Or has ever worked? You "ship" because you like fanfic and you enjoy reading it and getting off to it, and the fact it's not canon isn't a big deal, and in most cases is a big part of WHY it works... But Reylo isn't that. Reylo is this new sort of all-consuming, metastasizing form of fandom that isn't about enjoying things, it's about winning at being the best fan.... The uniqueness of it isn't in the ship itself, but in seeing that sort of gatekeeping, scorekeeping outlook fully owned by a group of people who historically are gatekept and counted out. Star Wars fandom is the worst... nobody has ever really enjoyed Star Wars more because they got at all involved in the fandom... And being able to say "I told you so" doesn't make a movie better, no matter what. It doesn't have anything to do with the movie at all. And all the "I told you so's" in the world aren't ever going to put your name in the credits, so...
  2. How is that "fanservice" and not just.... story-telling? When did "thing that happens in the course of normal story-telling" become "fanservice" for everyone? People don't even recognize how cynical that is... People are so eager to second-guess literally EVERYTHING that even the act of being satisfied by a story is considered to be some sort of "pandering" at its core....
  3. Anyone who hears that quote and seizes on the "within reason" part is someone telling on themselves as to how unreasonable they tend to be... Part of the reason I keep drifting away from Star Wars conversation... and lately Marvel conversation... is because people refuse to admit there are bad faith arguments being spread by toxic people.... usually because they are scared to be confused with those people... but instead of denouncing them as well, they choose instead to argue that these groups don't "really" exist, or are too tiny to "count" and that way they get to dismiss them entirely.... They could make their argument AND simultaneously acknowlege... and then distance themselves from.... bad faith and toxic arguments, really easily too... but so often people in Star Wars discussions never do that... they'd rather pour all their energy into pretending "those people" don't really exist, and yell about how unfair it is their opinions get lumped in with those guys... while never doing a single thing to distance themselves from them... sometimes they say "I shouldn't have to..." and sometimes they just secretly agree but know better than to say that out loud... And then eventually, some of THOSE folks just decide to join them... and that's how you end up with whatever that "Fandom Menace" thing is that got posted in here earlier... It's really weird how a movie series like Star Wars so frequently finds itself at ground zero for some of the ugliest sociological trends, especially considering the themes it wears right on its sleeve. But I guess that's what happens in any religion when the structure and the power fantasy is what you pay more attention to than the compassion and the message. It's partially why I'm so interested in "The end" of the Skywalker Saga. Interested enough to keep coming back to Star Wars conversation even though it's not been fun on average for a while now... But "the end" Is as good an opportunity as any to see what really happens when this cultural touchstone is forced to be something other than what it's been... and what it's been used as.... for the last 40 years.
  4. That's easy: Top Critics only... Also, remember that when the OT came out, print media was thriving and not the hollowed out mess it currently is today. Once you subtract all the sub-par writers and thinkers who make up 3/4ths of the Rotten Tomatoes roll-call, it's probably a much more even comparison between every major city having three or four paid film and cultural critics of worth and note vs the 100+ people given top critics status at Rotten Tomatoes... yes, I know there are outliers in the top critics section that probably shouldn't be in there.... mediocre youtubers and such... but you get the point...
  5. I don't think that devalues the OT's performance at all. There's a stat for what you're discussing, isn't there? Or rather, there could be... You just measure the distance between what Star Wars made that year and what the rest of that year's top 10 made.... Or find the average of all that year's movies, and compare the OT's performance to that.... That should give you a really solid idea of how far out ahead of the pack those movies were, and you don't have to use really bad math like "inflation calculators" to get there... Also, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi weren't unanimously beloved by critics, either. They were both pretty well liked... but there's some wiggle room where the Sequel Trilogy could possibly wrap up its run with overall better reviews, and more of them, than the Original Trilogy had...
  6. Why do you guys think I don't understand what "The floor" means? I think 700 mil domestic IS "TLJ reception" for this movie.... Besides, TLJ reception wasn't bad at all. Most people liked it a lot... It's weird how putting a number out there is at all controversial on a box-office message board... Should I have made my uber-safe prediction in a 300 million dollar range first and backed slowly into saying what I really think over the course of a couple months?
  7. But if that's what I believe then why would I stop using that word? I 100% believe 700 mil domestic is the minimum this movie will make. Why does it bother you that I'm that certain? If I'm wrong, I'm the one who gets to say "whoops, I was wrong" later, not you... And besides: Who really cares if I'm wrong? I don't... It doesn't really matter if I guess the box-office of a Star Wars movie incorrectly. This is a pretty low-stakes game we're all playing here, LOL... editing to add: I'm not willing to be that confident in calling the Opening Weekend numbers, though. I don't know what this movie is going to open to. I feel very confident in saying it'll be over 200 mil domestic at least, but I don't know how much higher than that it'll go.... I guess if I wanted to be "safe" with my prediction it'd be somewhere between 200-300. That's a very roomy range...
  8. Even if I agreed it wasn't "impressive" you'd have to make the case that the three movies were so bad that only a "hack" could have made them, and "hacks" are people who very obviously don't care about anything but the check they're collecting... does anything Johnson makes look, or sound, like a product made by someone who doesn't care about what they're doing? Who is being lazy about their craft? Do you honestly believe people are lying about liking him because they need to "save face" on the internet until they get the all clear from JJ Abrams to "admit the truth?" Rian Johnson may not be a director everyone is going to vibe with... he's kind of a weird guy with a skewed sensibility... but he's definitely not a "hack..." and that lazy criticism is self-defeating in the same way people who aren't smart enough to use the word "pretentious" correctly can't stop putting it in their own mouths... edit to add: this is the sort of Star Wars talk I unfortunately got very used to over the last few years so I should probably stop while I'm way behind, LOL.
  9. my narrative is reality, though. You don't like that reality so you're going to push one of these two ideas... One, that most people liked Rogue One more than they liked The Last Jedi. There's a whole lot of hard numbers that refute that pretty clearly... Two, that people not being as passionately invested in online arguments about Rogue One means it's a more well-liked movie in general, which doesn't make any sense... that's essentially saying success is measured by mildly pleasant people feel about a thing... Of course people wouldn't have to do all this spinning... despite it being a neat trick... if they were just confident in their own feelings and didn't need to over-reach and grasp at some sort of authority they can point to in order to make their feelings seem more "valid" or "right." People act like it's not enough for them to say "here's what I don't like and here's why I don't like it..." they always have to go that extra step and throw in "and I'm not alone, either, here's the many others just like me...." If you're not confident enough in your own opinion to share it without all that, you probably shouldn't share it at all, because it's a guarantee those "many" other people who think just like you aren't coming to your rescue anytime soon.... so you might as well just speak for yourself... it'll come across better that way anyway... Or at least more honestly...
  10. It counts, but it's also often very anecdotal and manipulatable depending on how you want to spin whatever angle you're looking to spin. But considering The Last Jedi got more repeat business, more business overall, sold more merch, moved more blu-rays, AND got a higher critical rating... since it has to be stated, film critics are also audience members too, they're not a special, separate species of humanity... it seems really hard for me to believe Rogue One had a better audience reception... I don't know how you get there in reality, with the rest of that checkable data available... not unless you really, really want to believe in the idea that the general audience is some unheeded silent majority nobody pays any attention to... the box-office doesn't really work that way. I too love fantasy.
  11. There isn't really a metric by which Rogue One tops The Last Jedi. Not money, not sales, not critical response... Also "Fanservice" is such an overused term that it might as well not mean anything anymore... I guess I don't understand why "telling a story people will like" is now a subject of criticism... because that's basically how people use the term "Fanservice" anymore... Also it looks like that Lightsaber fight is on the Death Star II wreckage...
  12. I'm not upset, those are legitimate questions. I want to know the answers to them and he can provide them. So I'm asking!
  13. Here comes the inquisition, LOL: What was the condition of the film? Effects finished? Fully edited? Music in place? Was it just "okay" for being a troubled production with none of its reshoots done, or "it's okay" as is and it could go out with minimal work right now? Were you and the people who saw this grading on a curve? A lot of 5s and 6s isn't good on a 10-point scale, though.... Ideally 7s would be the lowest you get. How many people is "a lot?" in comparison to the total number of people in your screening?
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