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Hope Disney are somehow compelled to reveal those streaming numbers. Wankers.

Idris Elba should have got the Bond role years ago. I still think he'd make a good Bond, but not sure whether he is too old for it now given that he's only 5 years younger than Craig. But anyway, Bond as a series is pretty overrated. After seeing Casino Royale, I loved it. Then when I tried to watch it again 5 years later it was a slog to get through. In fact pacing as a whole is pretty awful in this franchise. Many/most of the old Bonds are a real drag.

Suicide Squad $40m? Even in normal times it looks bad enough that it might barely make $30m. Add in HBO and the pandemic, maybe it'll be as bad as Snake Eyes. Also, yet more proof executives are stupid - Paramount sold off Tomorrow War and kept Snake Eyes, Sony sold off Mitchells vs the Machines and kept Peter Rabbit 2. Was the guaranteed cash really that good? I don't think Amazon and Netflix would not have paid for the ones they ended up keeping. Did they think Golding and GI Joe were stronger than Pratt? And did Sony really think that a sequel to a throwaway live action kids flick was going to do well? I guess the latter was greenlit, but the evidence for poor performance is everywhere.

Is BW the Marvel fan's sacrificial lamb which they can point to and say "No, I didn't like this particular movie, so I'm level-headed and the rest of my opinions are fact." Because it's better than most of the Marvel catalogue and much better than the likes of Black Panther, Captain America and Captain Marvel.

Nah, they need to find the optimum point, but if it's 15 days, then box office will be decimated. That's a completely unsustainable window. I assume 45 days is going to be the standard now? Down from 3 months? What's the standard window now?

The Rock has charisma. Henry Golding used to be a TV show host. I suppose that doesn't disqualify him from being a good actor, but he was the worst one in CRA and hasn't done anything to change that perception since.

Americans think democracy means having the right to be an antivaxxer, spread disease and be a factory for variants. China had record breaking box office numbers and life was back to normal for nearly a year already, but China bad, communism etc. Until America deals properly with the cancerous GQP - and that means actual consequences, things will continue to deteriorate from here. No, you just need to get the balls to ban antivaxxers. Treating them like they have a valid point of view is political and moronic. How many times do we need to say piracy and PA is killing BW? Also does anyone really care about GI Joe? And for those that do, what do they think of a minority actor headlining it? And Golding is a bad actor as well. Space Jam acted more like a fanboy movie than a family one. There are a lot more explanations. Antivax people are antisocial. They deserve to lose their rights. Maybe they should say if you don't get vaccinated for non-medical reasons, if you do get covid, you are deprioritized for care. Freedom, right? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. These idiots don't see the consequences of their actions and when they do - like in America, begging to be vaccinated before being intubated, it's too late. Stop treating idiots with kid gloves. Once again, that means that instead of punishing those who can't get vaccinated (kids) punish the wankers who are refusing to take the vaccine and allowing spread and the variants. These clowns should not be treated lightly.

Come on people. This is a box office site, why have such amateur takes? Of course the quantum matters. BW opened to more than Raya and Cruella made total. I'm not really a Marvel fan, but MCU is clearly the biggest global franchise. This matters because people will want to see it ASAP and when half the world is in lockdown and a HD copy is available on day 1, of course they'll see it. That's literally the only option. Of course we're talking about the US, but I think it's the same. People like to say the pirates won't have watched it anyway, and whilst that may be true for many movies, it does not hold water for Black Widow. This was the event movie to welcome people back to cinemas and Disney decided to put it on Disney+ PA. Refer above, but it does seem like it's the same group of people who really want to see the death of theatres and want to see day and date happen until the tombstone is in the ground. The world doesn't revolve around your selfish wants. This will affect product in the long term. Don't have to be a genius to see it. F9 opened weeks before in China and was also apparently not great so its legs are predictable plus the franchise was already trending downward. Because most people DGAF about SJ2 and don't have HBO Max. Just refer to a poster here. Streamed on Discord for free. 1 person paid 79 free. Every country which has theatres closed or PA or Disney+ unavailable has a free HD copy floating around the Internet. Disney+ may be their priority but this has been a terrible decision, much like pulling Luca's release. Your second paragraph is mostly right though. There are a lot of repeat viewers so having subscribed to a streaming platform and it being on there in 45 days will surely impact repeat viewings and also physical media sales. It's a smaller pie. The only way the financials make sense is if there are more people who subscribed who didn't usually go to the cinemas at all. Also the theatres will gain more solid footing if the pandemic gets under control because unlike what the streamers here think, the theatrical release gives it prestige and an event feel. Another thing that people fail to grasp is the subscriber count - which I guess is hard to blame y'all because I'm sure even the clueless execs have no idea what they're doing at the moment. Trying to measure a movie's success based on how many subs it got is dumb because the further and further you get into the life of the platform there are just less people out there to subscribe. It's just math. People might subscribe after a series is over, so they can watch everything in one go and that might correlate with another movie's debut. That's why Luca forgoing cinemas was incredibly dumb. It'll take awhile for them to realize that it's all just cost cost cost. To keep a streaming platform alive you need content for your existing subs. Growth will stall eventually - but in America that's forbidden to say. Capitalism means forever growth. Clowns. And they'll continue to grow at that rate? No they won't. Simple math. Yep because they lost more in the long run than what the $60m gave. The number looks good, but scrutiny makes it look terrible. Sure, sure. You think your content will stay the same forever? Clueless. Star Wars fans just need to realize that their fanbase actually has a limit. Thank God OS showed this. And luckily domestically it showed as well that no one cares for Solo just because Star Wars. Stop playing dumb.

103 films though and the majority didn't even make much money. MGM has like thousands. I guess if you look at it as a permanent acquisition - and the fact that most are widely unknown they could be sold as new, maybe it make sense in a market where content is premium, but still seems super expensive. I'd think they'd be worth less than 1B.

What is this really based on?

They aren't worth that. How many movies do they even own?

They are the same thing. Do you have a right to watch it for free? Whether it is culturally acceptable or not, it's illegal - and not for political reasons. You may feel entitled, but it's not your right to do so. That's another stupid analogy. You don't come across movie files, you need to actively find and download them. People feel entitled, but they are being subsidized by the paying audience. Eventually we'll hit a point of no return & it will affect content if it hasn't already. You don't want it to happen, yet pirated a blockbuster yourself lol. Get some self awareness. That's more because of successful PR spin. Most investors are still too dumb to realize what it all means. Like I said, the number looks good, but the depth is questionable. Then again, I'm not following it so maybe it's already suppressed from park closures and whatnot.

No it isn't. People used to go for repeat viewings. Now you've paid $30 for yourself and your family, and your extended family, and your buds and they can see it as many times as they want. Disney only gets $30 instead of how much more? So all of what you quoted actually is compatible. It did hurt OW, it does hurt legs and PA legs are bad because it's a countdown to being free in 3 months anyway. Also as I laid out in a previous post, you can't compare a 4 quadrant film with a family movie. The 'collateral damage' is theoretically way higher and probably that'll happen in reality, but we'll see how it holds up. Disney won't be keeping us abreast of what it made on PA though unless the box office really drops off a cliff.

A 40% drop from Saturday as laid out by Deadline is pretty awful. I mean, who knows what's the cause but you could argue almost counterintuitively that the bigger the film, the worse it is for PA/digital etc. You might want to bum Cruella or Raya or whatever off of someone else, but then no one paid for it either whereas BW might not be the same. Plus, this is after mask mandate was removed & most vaccinations, so higher chance you'd watch it at someone's place as an option. It would be mainly families watching Cruella and Raya together, but Widow is meant to be a four quadrant blockbuster so who knows. I'd be really surprised if they continued this with Marvel films. As Deadline put it, they are reducing the pie. It's a moronic business decision honestly. And everyone still keeps missing the fact that all the studios had to strike deals with the theatres for this day and date release format. Don't know what the amount is, but theatres did not just say 'have at it'.

Why would they be expected to beat BW? Shang Chi looks super generic. Without the pandemic I don't think it would have beaten Doctor Strange. The Eternals also looks really meh. The jokes all fell flat, and from a non-comic reader, it looks like it's trying to replicate Guardians of the Galaxy except that was a comedy and this just looks like a plodding overwrought sci-fi film that doesn't do very well at the box office. When have you ever been objective about Disney? You shouldn't worship corporations.

My first impression was that $60m for PA was massive. But once you start to dig deeper, it's actually not great. This is basically a one-time boost of $60m - and then those who did shell it out can, if they so choose to, keep rewatching it for no extra charge and also share it with others. But what is the trade off? Reduced box office gross in all major markets and undoubtedly a boon for pirates in other markets. Obviously at least its $60m compared to Warner's functionally nothing. I'd say Sony and Paramount have probably made the best deals selling their content to streamers.

You do realize that the studios are already paying them so that they can release movies earlier? It's not like the theatres said sure play day and date and we'll sit here and twiddle our thumbs. Unless the studios want (and they do really want) to kill off that revenue stream completely, the theatres can just say no.

This is something that I think should be obvious and yet it seems people need to be told. Besides the Irishman, all of those were intended to be theatrical movies. Soul received a lot of marketing teasing its multiple release dates. Borat was boosted by politics more than anything. Hamilton was already a phenomenon - but solely in America. The other two have limited impact. The best comparison are all Netflix's streaming only films. All of them have had no cultural impact despite dominating for one weekend lol. I mean, this is obvious. The marketing campaigns are inherently different. There is limited or no tie-ins anywhere else to create conversation. Except those hit movies are worth something to streamers and other pay windows. Streaming originals can only reside on the platform that created them and have 0 data to associate popularity or value besides numbers coming from the platform. There is no trust. Anyway, the whole scenario is a lose-lose-lose for everyone involved. As others have alluded to in this thread, repeat viewings from fans can be cut down to non-existent. This hurts both theatres and the streamers who have lost out by forcing their movies out unnecessarily early. If Disney gets their way, they kill theatres and also lose out on many revenue streams just by trying to keep all of it for themselves. It's more short term thinking. Consumers eventually lose out because of the diversity of experiences and content available if the studios get their way and succeed in killing theatres. All for what? Oh and while we're at it, the Chinese box office is booming. This discussion is very West centric, and very privileged too.

What incentive is there for theatres to play ball? Even now all of the studios had to make deals with the theatres to be able to do their experiments. Warner turned out to be the biggest shitshow. I wonder how much they are actually losing after having to pay off all the talent based on grosses they didn't actually hit and the majority of subscribers already being subscribed to HBO Max in the first place. In fact, it is the hubris of the American CEO that has led to all these streaming platforms without seemingly any real plan. Netflix was visionary. That wanker Iger was as well, but the rest of them are clueless. Sabotaging their profit streams and relying on a single market when their competitors are global. Heck, the majority of Americans don't even know about Paramount+ and Peacock. No one cares about the Office outside America. What is their plan? The same goes for Apple and Amazon but they have cash to burn and write off. Warner was already merged with Discovery because AT&T proved to be clueless. What I don't get is that all of this is pretty damn obvious and yet hardly anyone seems to be able to see it. Come on people.

$30m would've been amazing. I think it could've hit $100m with that, but now they got $0. So that's a braindead excuse, and not sure why it's even being made. Yeah, but now they got $0. As above, it's a braindead excuse. Disney leadership trying to force streaming, that's it. Exactly. Dumb excuses from Iger or whoever. It's not like they haven't been accustomed to that already with The Good Dinosaur, Cars 3 - Onward was never going to have great legs anyway, pandemic or not. Luca was better and could've got a decent total, if not $200m. I think it would've done well in Europe and globally, but no chance since it's on Disney+ everywhere. People keep repeating this like they're willing it to happen. Netflix is a global player. Only Disney+ can rival it in terms of reach, but in terms of content none are even close. Universal, Sony, WB and Paramount aren't even in control of their own destiny. They can't spend like Netflix and cannot compete globally unless they are more mergers which shouldn't happen. Disney potentially can but what business sense is there to forgo billions of dollars? Fastest way to kill the golden goose is devalue it. MCU would never have reached the heights it did with everything debuting on streaming. Yeah, but if the audience knows it's coming on day 22, the whole gross will be depressed. And this is a box office site. Are we really chomping at the bit for depressed box office and Premiere Access? All these discussions will evaporate forever because the streamers aren't going to reveal anything they don't need to - which is anything of value. It's short term thinking. Kill the theatres and ? Does everyone really think that movies can keep debuting on streaming and be cultural events? Heck, not a single one has come close. Disney only care about their shareholders and executives, as usual. Tell Feige that all his movies have to debut on streaming and reside there forever. Then again, maybe it's because American theatres (and America in general) are so rundown. I live in a 3rd world country and from when I was a kid you chose your seats like live theatre. How is that not in every American theatre? Anyway, I can't believe on a box office forum there is a widespread acceptance of streaming being the future of movies. Then again, Hollywood does always take the wrong lessons from success stories.

From the last watch of most/all of them before Endgame - so about 2 years+ The only ones worth watching are Avengers, Infinity War, Endgame and Ragnarok. Then the Ant-Man and GOTG films are alright. The rest don't hold up or weren't great to begin with. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is awful, Loki is pretty good and haven't been able to watch WandaVision past the 2nd episode.

Should have really not cast Awkwafina. She must have a great agent because she is completely inappropriate for the role. Wasn't great for Raya and the Last Dragon either, though Disney's design of the dragon really didn't help her there either.

The majority of the world probably had no idea about Transformers before 2007, so that and what came after is the reference point for this franchise. I never cared about a single Transformer. It was just a fun action blockbuster franchise that became stale. So going back to the 90s or whatever, who cares really? It's like why are they making more Transformers movies, or Pirates of the Caribbean movies etc.

Doesn't look great and it's also another HBO Max release isn't it?

People speculating about quality? The MCU has been mostly generic action and had no problems with American critics and audiences. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier being utterly B-movie trash that would normally star the likes of Willis or Grillo (or Mackie lol) and still receiving rave reviews shows the critical capture of reviewers.