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Good to see grosses inching upwards. Hopefully Disney backtrack on Luca's release.

They are hardly going to admit it wasn't successful. Use some critical thinking please. The only way to stand by its success is to release the numbers. Mulan still hasn't been released.

WB might have fucked their relationships with their content creators, but it was a consumer-centric move if ever there was one. Yeah, you could say validly that they just wanted HBO Max subs mandated by AT&T and even that it was a test run for what they would do post-pandemic but it was undeniably pro-consumer. All the backtracking and deals struck just hurt them for their idiotic planning but as a consumer with no covid end in sight, it was a superb annoucement. Disney OTOH have not only moved releases entirely to streaming multiple times, but then also tried the day & date like WB but slapped an extra $30 to watch it. Consumer-friendly? All their moves are figuring out how to make it work best for them. All the other studios have struck deals, Disney DGAF. If they could find a way to skip theatres entirely, they would. The Disney buyout of Fox should never have been allowed. Welcome to modern America.

Nah, I've lost interest and so did most people. Maybe if Martin doesn't die and actually releases an ending, then people would watch it. D&D OTOH, I mean, even blacklisting from Hollywood and the entertainment industry worldwide is not far enough away from those arrogant clowns. Launch them into space and be done with them.

Not sure why so many people seem to be against this decision? When do you expect these movies to release? The kind of numbers that people expect won't return in 2021 for sure. So write off another year? So the stars are pissed, OK, let's release the movies now then. What % of the backend will they get? If the movie loses money, do they get nothing? So nobody sees it, they don't get any money and theatres are fucked either way. At least with HBO Max you're not taking a risk. Also Disney already did this by sending at least 4 or 5 films this year to Disney+, yet no outrage? edit: and really, Americans have only themselves to blame for this shit lasting so long. You never even had a proper lockdown. You elected a clown for President in 2016 and your opposition-going-to-be-ruling party are stuffed with corporate hacks who can't even pass Medicare for All in a pandemic. In the eyes of the rest of the world, Trump or Biden, America is a failed democracy. Imagine being against stimulus checks a year into a pandemic and when finally approved, the # is a joke that doesn't even equal a month in other developed countries. Yet so much hand-wringing, fighting and chicken littling, whilst at the same time freely handing $ to corporations and the military. What a shitshow.

TLK has had good dailies or no? Hoping for the massive erosion doesn't seem to have paid off. Sad times.

My question is why did any of you expect any different? Why did you even pay to support this crap given that Aladdin, BATB, Maleficent and Alice in Wonderland already exist? *shakes head*

To be fair, I meant the moviegoing public at large, though certainly many members here are fans of Disney and this kind of pandering movie too. But as you said, it's a box office forum and I can root for movies to bomb as much as others want it to succeed. What's funny is that I think this is disgustingly extra for TLK but apparently in the last 2 pages alone people think it's disappointing lol.

Sad state of affairs when people are rewarding The Lion King with records. To more lazy remade tripe!

From the first trailer, Mysterio is blatantly obvious as the villain. I know nothing about comics either.

The problem is it doesn't make for a good standalone movie. Nick Fury was acting like an idiot and the explanation is? Some space shit? Not good enough. But that's just it, idiot Nick Fury fit perfectly into this movie when all the characters except Peter were wasted by borderline incompetent writing. As Daxtreme said, all of them became caricatures. Mysterio and the rejected Stark employees, Fury, Hill, MJ, Ned, Ned's GF, Brad, the teachers, Happy and May. It was excessive. Those teachers would never be employed being as imbecilic as they were. It's just awful attempts at humour. And baumer, I agree with you that the relationship would be the strongest point of the movie, but it was wasted because they needed to tick off the boxes for generic villain, generic motivation and generic action scenes. I would've watched a 500 Days of Summer Spiderman but no one else would. The fallout from the snap is a much more interesting storyline that will never be told now. And keep in mind that most of the audience is casual and have no idea of all the stuff that was thrown about in the first 8 pages of this thread. That, and no one cares. I don't care about Mysterio being true to the comic book if Mysterio makes for an uninteresting, generic villain.

This was thoroughly mediocre. If this was meant to tease the next stage of the MCU, count me out. After the reviews and Feige saying this closes the chapter and sets the next one up, I expected a lot more. Villain was amongst the worst in the canon. I mean, you just knew Mysterio would be the villain from the trailer and he is. All the reveals were cringeworthy, the twists were forced and the humour and dialogue so unnatural. It's a pity because I like Holland and the cast of kids actually has a lot of potential for interplay but not here. The teachers were beyond bad and the rest of the newly added kids added nothing. Token hijab girl for inclusivity was so forced. First, to be Muslim doesn't mean you need to wear a hijab and if you see the Iranian women jailed for protesting against wearing it, it's just forced Hollywood whitewashing without understanding. But I digress, Homecoming was also mediocre and barely kept together by the chemistry of the kids. I guess Spiderman is meant to be the light-hearted side of the MCU but it would've been more interesting to have more than just Brad (did he even exist in Homecoming?) as the sole "5 years older" person and deal more with that instead of carting off to Europe for some shit CGI action. Back in the mid 2000s, franchises that were running out of steam would change location; X-Men, Rush Hour etc. but that was just a red flag for creative bankruptcy and unfortunately FFH ends up in that same ballpark.

Given that pre-release expectations were a total of $300-$400m or a GOTG-GOTG2 kind of increase, a $39m OD on a Tuesday during the July 4th week is hardly a number to have shit takes about the future of the MCU and other Chicken Little declarations. It's most likely going to end up in that range. This harks back to the era of Toy Story 4 (wait, what?) declarations of absurdity. Where has all the sanity gone? This isn't SLOP2 or Dark Phoenix-like definitively disappointing numbers, and in the latter case, I'm not sure that's even considered disappointing either as a bomb was on the cards since the movie was announced.

Wut? What kind of crap take was that. Where are your examples? Just TLK? Which looks like shite? lol. It's the property. It's the Lion King and Disney. And it shouldn't do that well because it's a transparent cash grab with no artistic merit, but it will.

What would you have said about Cars 2, Monsters Uni, Finding Dory and the Incredibles 2? All of those range between godawful to thoroughly mediocre. Toy Story 4 is a fluke. I'm thankful they got it right, but Pixar's sequel track record is terrible outside of Toy Story. Probably an unpopular opinion, but I don't include Cars 3 in the above list because even if it's fairly predictable and safe, it still advances the story and characters in a meaningful way moreso than any of those 4. It's also a makeup for Cars 2. I hope they don't make another MU or Nemo movie but if there is a TI3 it'll have to makeup for TI2 which was so bog-standard generic. What an insult to the original and Brad Bird was involved too, which makes it even more disappointing.

If expectations were that high, then they were unrealistic. There's really no reason for it to make $140m+. What were the arguments for it? Because "The Incredibles" isn't a valid one. And really, before the reviews, how many people were actually excited for this besides Disney happy clapper fans?

I'm no expert on American 80s horror, but why did this reboot fail compared to the likes of Halloween and Friday the 13th and etc that have all come out in recent years and done really well (at least compared to the early years of this millennium/decade where they were flopping). Then again, this summer has not been kind to most movies anyway.

1) The most beloved franchise...but TS3 couldn't beat TS2 admissions? 2) Rave reviews...but that's normal for Pixar? 3) I didn't follow tracking, so no idea about this. Thought it was 'soft' though, but besides the point because pretty much everyone at KJ and as someone pointed out, the majority of BOT predictions in the Summer Game were for it to drop from TS3. 4) This point is moot if people aren't convinced to come by the fact that TS3 ended so well and TS4 by even casual standards seemed tacked on and for money only. No one asked for it. So disappointing? No. Doing as expected. BOT is nothing if not consistent in getting over/under hyped in the weeks leading up to OW and having whack takes divorced from reality.

I know we all have our own opinions, but what did you think of Monsters U, Dory and Incredibles 2? The latter 2 get so much undeserved praise that honestly anyone who defends those can't really make a claim as to what is necessary. I'm a Pixar fan but none of those 3 should have existed in the form they did. Incredibles 2 was the most disappointing completely ignoring everything that made the first one revolutionary.

Anyone predicting huge numbers hasn't been paying attention. TS3 dropped in admissions vs TS2. No one asked for TS4. This was always gonna drop.

Why would anyone hope for TLK to do well? Probably the most unoriginal and cash grab film of the summer. Hopefully it disappoints.

If this fails to beat Toy Story 3...it would've been expected by most people before reviews dropped. Personally, I really liked the movie - and I hated it existing when it was announced. But I have no qualms with saying that quite a lot of people would've asked why this movie needed to exist after TS3's ending. That was a 'perfect' ending if there could ever be one, so this movie's existence was already an uphill task. It's not particularly easy to claim which movies would fit in the casual moviegoer's idea of necessary or unnecessary, but sometimes it's easier than others. Dark Phoenix is a prime example. For all the hating on it, it was Apocalypse that destroyed the franchise. From the first trailer it reeked off continuation for the sake of it, and as evidenced many who enjoyed DOFP didn't show up. Perhaps many others like me also didn't realize that they were making another sequel after it- how bad do you have to be at reading the room when people don't even realize you're making a sequel? On the flip side, I predicted SLOP2 to retain most of its audience simply because Despicable Me and Hotel Transylvania both did. The latter especially, I haven't a clue as to why it has held up. But in the end, audiences deserted SLOP2. Was it necessary? No, but HT2 and then HT3 did really well.

Frozen 2 trailer looks epic. Well, the teaser did as well, so happy that it continues.

To be fair, is there really that much buzz? Before reviews, the consensus was this would drop from TS3 unlike Dory and TI2. Even with reviews, I'll still wait a bit before seeing it.

I have been against this movie from the start, but with an average rating of 8.57, I may actually go see it. For comparison both 90%+ Dory and I2 were below 8...and both sucked. Coco and Inside Out were both above 8, with the latter nearly at 9.