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  1. 26 minutes ago, FilmBuff said:

    I thought The Avengers record from 2012 would stay for a long time, and that total has been beaten what 6 times?

     

    Jurassic World, Avengers 3&4, Star Wars 7&8. But, I don’t see anything beating the OW record of Endgame for 10-15 years. 

    itll get broken within 5

  2. 20 minutes ago, HouseOfTheSun said:

    Still not coming even close to close to this. Nothing is coming close in the the next 5 years. You don’t get something like this from 1 nice Batman movie and then a team up. People need to get this out of their heads 

    I actually agree, the only movies I can see having a puncher's chance are:

     

    A Matt Reeve's Batman Sequel- This would require Reeve's first Batman film to be universally accepted as being better than the Dark Knight, and Batman would have to be reinvented in some way and Phoenix's Joker would have to be well received, not a one off, and included in the sequel; likely not happening.

     

    Harry Potter 9 with the original cast

     

    Star Wars sequel trilogy movie, barring Episode 9 gains confidence back from the fans.

     

    I thought Lion King could break the record but I will respectfully take that back.

     

    If it's not an MCU-related/Avengers movie it might be something that isn't even on the radar right now.

  3. 22 minutes ago, MrPink said:

     

    I think we're in the phase of where we didn't think anything was topping the Avengers for a long while other than a sequel, and JW kinda came out of nowhere and did it.

     

    But there's no follow up to Endgame (Avengers I mean) anytime soon and even if there was, I think we'd assume it can't top this. So...shrug. It'll happen when it happens, but the OW record usually doesn't (hasn't?) made it 5 years with one film

    OW Record Years Since Batman Shattered it in 1989 (off the top of my head, forgive me if i'm wrong)

    Batman: 1989

    Batman Returns: 1992

    Jurassic Park: 1993

    Batman Forever: 1995

    The Lost World: Jurassic Park: 1997

    Harry Potter and the Philosopher's/Sorcerer's Stone: 2001

    Spider-Man: 2002

    Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Mean's Chest: 2006

    Spider-Man 3: 2007

    The Dark Knight: 2008

    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2: 2011

    Marvel's The Avengers: 2012

    Jurassic World: 2015

    Star Wars: The Force Awakens: 2015

    Avengers: Infinity War: 2018

    Avengers: Endgame: 2019

     

    The past 30 years of history tells us that believe it or not, SOMETHING will break this opening weekend record in under 5 years (as you said).  Maybe another Avenger's movie?

     

    Other stats:

    Batman: 4x  

    Avengers: 3x 

    Jurassic Park: 3x

    Harry Potter: 2x

    Spider-Man: 2x 

     

    Marvel as a whole counting MCU and Non MCU: 5x

    DC and Marvel: 9x

    Batman and Avengers have broken their own records back to back. Avengers is the first to break its own record a year later from the same franchise (or at least the last 30 years).

     

    Comic books, Space Operas, Wizards, Pirates, and Dinosaurs oh my.....

     

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  4. Congrats to Endgame! Can't believe 300 million is happening (I still believe Force Awakens would've done it or come extremely close if it was released in the summer). Crazy. Theoretically, how high can an opening go? Could we see a 375-400 million opener within the next 10 years?

  5. Congrats to Endgame! Can't believe 300 million is happening (I still believe Force Awakens would've done it or come extremely close if it was released in the summer). Crazy. Theoretically, how high can an opening go? Could we see a 375-400 million opener within the next 10 years?

  6. 22 minutes ago, fabiopazzo2 said:

    I'm confused because he gave 8/10 on Twitter. But he said Ultron is at the same level of JL 😅

    Ultron was one of the worst MCU movies and by far the worst Avengers movie. 6/10 from me, maybe lower. Avengers 1 and IW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultron and honestly Endgame based on the trailers alone which show nothing compete with Ultron too so the movie will likely be better about 25 minutes in. Only redeeming thing about Ultron was Hawkeye's backstory with his family.  Come @ me with it, JMO...

  7. 10 minutes ago, MCKillswitch123 said:

    DUDE, THE MOVIE HAD COLLECTED 43 MILLION AT THE TIME OF THE REPORT AND WAS CLIMBING EVEN HIGHER. GO READ THE DAMN REPORT.

     

    How many times has this been explained in this thread already?

    Yeah i know i was just reaffirming mang haha. I read 43 mill "So far" last night. "wooo-sa. Wooo-sa." 

  8. 1 minute ago, TwoMisfits said:

    So, I read the EW article on Endgame...and something struck me.  

     

    It was a question - will we think of these movies 30 years from now?  And if we do, will we think of them as we do Star Wars (ala, it's still the most amazing thing we've ever seen and we're keeping it in our top 10 movie series ever done) or as we do a movie series whose time has come and gone...

     

    Not having watched Endgame, but having actually watched the 1st 21 of 22 of these movies (go, me - 1 to go after Endgame), I think this will be the Star Wars of this generation...so wildly popular and enduring that you can't redo "this" one...ever...there's no going back to this saga for a long, long time.

     

    The good thing is that they don't have to go back b/c of the sheer decades of material from the comics...but in this movie series, we are living through what will be done probably only once in our lives...just like no one has remade the Star Wars OT, we likely won't ever get a Thanos/Infinity War/Endgame set up again...

    Agreed, i don't think any of the MCU characters (aside from possibly Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark, maybe Black Panther due to significance) will be as remembered or revered as say, Yoda/Obi Wan/Darth/Luke/Leia/Han but that said  if i were to separate cinematic villains into "Tiers" I would place Thano's from Infinity War (and likely Endgame) as a Tier 2 borderline Tier 1 level villain. You've got Hannibal Lecter, The Wicked Witch, Darth Vader, The Joker, Norman Bates, etc and then you have John Doe (Se7en), T-1000, T-800, The Predator, Thanos, Etc then you have other great villain that are a slight tier below (Killmonger, Zod, etc i'm splitting hairs here); anyway -I believe Thanos was THAT awesome and that memorable of a villain and HE is what will elevate the "Thanos/Infinity War/Endgame" portion of the MCU into a stratosphere that will be held in high regard 30-50 years from now. Thanos could definitely be argued as Darth / Joker level in terms of memorable blockbuster movie villains. 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  9. 10 minutes ago, MadmenEndgame said:

    I don't understand why some people are debating over Star Wars and Avatar in Endgame. 

     

    Guys, this is Endgame thread. You may not be fan of Marvel but at least you can enjoy the Box office. 

     

    There is some toxicity in the thread. Let's leave that out. 

     

    Hail, LORD FEIGE

     

     

    Lol. I'm confused though. I said MCU has surpassed Star Wars worldwide and I just said IW was a borderline masterpiece. How does that not make one a fan of Marvel? I also said I hope Endgame beats Avatar and that domestically it would gross 850 million.....

     

    How is that toxic hate? Because I said I doubt that it beats Force Awakens 936 million? Just slightly confused, I love the site been lurkin for years and i love Box Office; not really flustered by the whole keyboard warrior thing. *Shrugs*. Just a poster giving his opinion. Didn't mean for things to get "toxic." lol

  10. 12 minutes ago, Thrylos 7 said:

    and gone with the wind adjusts to a trillion dollars in the U.S. There is a reason we generally don’t use adjusted numbers but whatever makes you happy, I don’t want to be threabanned because my last thread ban was way too easy compared  what is allowed for other people.

    ....Annnnnnndd with that said Force Awakens still with 936 million. So there's non adjusted numbers. Has any MCU movie aside from Endgame which hasn't officially opened yet beaten Force Awakens total gross? Yes or no?  The answer is no.

     

    Even Rogue One outgrossed every MCU film aside from Black Panther, Avengers, and Infinity War and (soon to be) Endgame domestically.

     

    3 soon to be 4 MCU movies outgrossed Last Jedi but none will outgross Force Awakens domestically.  So once again, Star Wars peaked higher in the states. This isn't a diss towards MCU ya'll, calm down. lol. I thought IW was a borderline blockbuster/genre masterpiece. Nonetheless I'm just giving my straight up opinion.

     

    That said I'm not flustered by Solo "flopping" as no one wanted to see that movie and won't rush to say because of that and Last Jedi that MCU "has and always will be bigger in the US" that's just false. 

     

     

     

  11. 48 minutes ago, xiazhi said:

    Like you said, ww was preceded by bad movies, so its standard is much lower. MCU sure gives CM a boost in its opening but also raises its bar so high. WW has some great moments but when it's bad, it's really bad. CM is a solid movie all the way through. Between the two, CM is the better one.

    Nah No Man's Land seen alone is better than most of if not all of CM. I felt like CM went through the motions. It was "necessary" but nothing special. 7-7.5 from me which is for some is accurate and for others is hating. WW's high notes: No Man's land, the crew WW rolled with, the movie score, the chemistry between Pine and Gadot, the fact that WW's character was so naive in regards to understanding the nature of mankind/humans, I really felt the movie was pretty stellar. The 3rd act falters but is no worse than run of the mill villain comic book movie fare ala Iron Man's Iron Monger, Whiplash, Ant Man's 3rd act, Hero meets final boss level esque stuff etc >  Captain Marvel. 

     

    Meanwhile for CM it felt like the relationship between Cage and Danvers was forced, Brie, who is an excellent actor, seemed to sleep walk through the role with little to no charisma at all, which could be due to the fact she was brainwashed, but even when she had her epic "standing" scene other than that meh.

     

    Solid but probably a middle of the pack comic book movie imo; I'd place (off the top of my head) All of Nolan's movies, Batman and Batman Returns, Superman the Movie, Superman 2, Wonder Woman, Raimi's Spider-Man 1 and 2, Hellboy 1 and 2, Kick Ass, Scott Pilgrim, X2, X-Men, DOFP, XM:FC, Deapool 1 and 2, Iron man 1, Thor 1 and 3, Guardians 1 and 2, Ant Man 1 and 2, All three Captain America's, Avengers 1 and 3, V For Vendetta, A History of Violence and maybe even a fair portion of Aquaman over Captain Marvel. CM is def better than Ultron, Iron Man 2/3, Thor 2, Man of Steel, BvS, Suicide Squad, and maybe incredible hulk (which i found to be not a bad as others to be honest it's hanging around there).

     

     

  12. 21 minutes ago, Fancyarcher said:

    His career resurgence in the past decade, is largely due to the role of Tony Stark too. It's not likely, but it would be fitting if him to get an Oscar nom for the role. RDJ is basically the "jell" that makes these movies work, and if it weren't him and Feige, and the other talented people at Marvel Entertainment, we might not even have gotten to Infinity War or Endgame. 

    Iron man is still in my top 5 comic book movies. Even with the mediocre sequels he's always killed it as Tony Stark regardless of the individual or ensemble films. I would love for him to get a nom.

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  13. 45 minutes ago, HeadShot said:

    Adjusting numbers isn’t a bullet proof concept.  There’s a lot of thing to consider. For example Star Wars had less competition.  The superhero genre is  oversaturated. Can’t imagine Star Wars doing as well had it been competing with 5-7 space operas every year. Also let’s not forget streaming. That’s bound to keep a lot of people satisfied and stay at home. A lot of Star Wars films also benefited from December releases and LONG breaks between sequels. I can guarantee that if marvel took a decade break and came back with the original avengers they would outgross any Star Wars movie domestically. The MCU formula is unique and has to be looked at differently. No one has managed to replicate it. Releasing 2-3 movies per year and still maintaining massive success. Star Wars tried and failed. MCU is bigger. 

    Yawn, and even when taking out adjustments Force Awakens is 936 million, far and above any Avengers movie. domestically. Even with Endgame, I'm predicting 850 million (admittedly falling for the hype), still well below that number and likely the absolute peak of the MCU (meaning that subsequent releases will be big but won't be as regarded as the OG 6). As for the bold; I'm not going to say that isn't a possibility, could happen, but it hasn't.  A Harry Potter reunion movie could break records opening weekend as could a Nolan "Dark Knight Returns" or "Batman Beyond" movie with Christian Bale reprising his role - not really into the "if" game but i'll play it. I could easily say that if Episode 9 gets in the good graces of Star Wars fans that a Knights of Old Republic trilogy would likely blast everything out the water. Also- The OT was released in the Summer originally (memorial day weekends i believe). 

     

    Endgame, which has an argument for most hyped movie all time surpasses Force awakens 976 million, i'll say MCU has officially overtaken Star Wars in the states. Pretty simple. Until then data along with context supports that Star Wars peaked higher in the US than MCU did. 

     

     

  14. 15 minutes ago, MadmenEndgame said:

    Okay, so here is thw thing.. 

     

    When CM was about to release everybody was saying it will be Marvel first flop.

     

    Now, it has made money. Everybody is saying Endgame helped it. 

     

    So desperate you all are. It is pathetic. 

    I wasn't saying that. LOL. It was a surefire hit

  15. 31 minutes ago, HeadShot said:

    Oh please enough with the myth that Captain Marvel grossed a lot because of Infinity War/End Game. Let’s not forget that Ant-Man and the wasp received the same treatment and that barely scrapped 600 million. And that movie was also directly connected to infinity war with the snap. Also are we going to ignore Aquaman’s (an extremely mediocre film as well) gross? If that could cross 1 billion then there shouldn’t be any questions about Captain Marvel. 

    No, Captain Marvel was a solid movie, but to ignore the impact of Infinity War, an all time great blockbuster with one of the best cliffhanger endings in modern movie history (it'll be remembered as the best non Empire Strikes Back cliffhanger ever In my opinion) is crazy. The SECOND I saw that logo on the beeper at that post credits scene I literally said, "welp shit, looks like I have to see Captain Marvel." When people were predicting CM's opening weekend I was one of the people saying "150 million at least based off the post credits scene alone." I had a co-worker literally tell me a few days ago that his favorite part of Captain Marvel was the post credits scene where she shows up answering the beeper. I know it's one person but like I said if you think that didn't play any part than it's a misguided assumption.

     

    Also, Aquaman's 1.1 billion dollar gross could be attributed to audiences having more faith in DC due to Wonder Woman along with Jason Mamoa's popularity, and Aquaman being known in terms of being a punchline for decades and the curiosity involving the different take on the character as well. Justice League didn't count imo because it was a direct Snyder lied sequel to BvS which was blasted by everyone. 

     

    Ant-Man? Come on now. Ant Man's cut scene wasn't even close to Captain Marvel's in terms of importance/shock factor. The first woman hero movie from the MCU with a direct link to the cliffhanger Infinity War?! It played a part, no question.

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  16. 19 hours ago, Thrylos 7 said:

    Here’s another opinion...over 20 billion dollars WORLDWIDE in 10 years and that is not counting marvel movies from other studios (if we do then we go to the  30 billion territory) Disney dared to try something like that with Star Wars, on a much smaller scale, and fell flat on its face so no more Star Wars spin offs and quite sometime until the next trilogy. If we get into semantics the numbers are simply overwhelming ...

    Lol. I already said MCU surpassed Star Wars worldwide though, I know the numbers; they're staggering.. I'm talking about simply in the United States. It hasn't. I mean I don't know what else needs to be said. 

     

    Star Wars A New Hope adjusts to Well over a 1 billion

    Star Wars Force Awakens Adjusts to 976 million, so basically 1 billion

    Empire and Jedi adjust to over 850 plus million 

    Menace over 815 million 

     

    Take out the re-releases, Force Awakens is basically 1 billion. and the first star wars would likely still be in the top 10.

     

    lol

     

     

     

  17. 1 hour ago, Walt Disney said:

    I still can’t believe CM is going to gross more domestically than WW adjusted for inflation. WW felt like more of an event movie and I actually thought it was the better movie ( even though I only saw it once in theaters and saw CM twice in theaters). Yet, CM just keeps creeping closer and closer as the weeks go by.

    Actually, considering Wonder Woman was following Suicide Squad and BvS, two universally panned movies with a lot of stench on them, it's actually a monstrous testament for the movie  and the iconic character to gross more than Thor 3 and Guardians 2 domestically and have some of the best legs for a movie in its genre ever.  This will be viewed as hate but WW imo was a (much) better movie than CM. CM literally had its opening gross handed to it by the Infinity War post credit's scene. CM is attached to the mega rolling machine that is the MCU; the brand at this point is Teflon.  CM is a solid movie but it wasn't anything special. It had moments but was more or less average overall.  Other's have this opinion for Wonder Woman so it is what it is.  Don't be surprised if Wonder Woman 2 explodes next summer.

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  18. 24 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

    Won't make a huge difference. December movies have larger legs but they also have smaller openings. The Force Awakens would have opened close to 300 mil if it released in May or the Summer and ended with the same gross.

    ....disagree, Force Awakens would've definitely pushed 300 million in the summer. I know MCU is the thing right now but that said you can never discount a hyped Star Wars movie, especially one that was 32 years in the making. 

  19. 30 minutes ago, Nero said:

    You're delusional if you think Avatar 2-5 will gross 3B. 2B is hard and Endgame had earned this by 22 movies. Avatar doesn't even have fan base I think no Avatar sequel grosses more than 2.4B... Max is 2.6B 

    No mang, I should've put a "Rolling eyes" emoticon or something. I couldn't stand the hype around Avatar and didn't think Cameron would replace himself as the top grossing movie ever. I was just emphasizing that I wouldn't be surprised if Cameron pulled it out again in ridiculous fashion. I agree with you that the Avatar sequels won't gross 3 billi each. lol.  

  20. 1 hour ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

    If Endgame out outperforms Episode 9 DOM. Yes. It's passed SW. IW already outperformed Episode 8.

    Did it outperform Force Awakens? or any of the other 4 movies adjusted? 😕 *shrugs*

    I think Endgame will beat Episode 9 domestically btw. It's MCU's world right now, literally, but based on what I said i believe MCU has not surpassed Star Wars in the states in terms of historical importance. Sorry if it upsets people. It's not hate lol, just an opinion. 

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  21. 10 minutes ago, YourMother the Edgelord said:

    One of my friends works Friday night until 11:00 pm. He’s seeing Endgame at 12:30 AM after work. 

     

    I haven’t seen a movie event this big growing up to be honest since Deathly Hallows tbh.

    I saw Deathly Hallows 2 at midnight...definitely one of the craziest times I've had at a theater.

     

    Dark Knight - My friends had to get tickets for a 3:20am showing, everything else was sold out, saw it again the same morning.

     

    Endgame will likely surpass all of those!

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