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1 minute ago, Barnack said:
Comparing leg in pure absolute or pure relative to OW can both be misleading way to do so, to score "legs quality" both number need to be used imo.
CW legs: 228.9 million
MoS legs: 174.4 million
OW %
CW: 43.9%
MoS: 40.1%
That is pretty similar leg performance indeed.
CW excuse is being by now very far in a story line that create a lot of resistance among people that have not seen previous movies from 2 different branch or didn't like them, with a huge opening weekend (a bit like an Harry Potter movie toward the end), those are to expected to be very front-loaded.
What does CW have to do with MOS anyways? They are completely different films outside of being CBMs. Any reasonable comparison really makes no sense.
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Just now, God Emperor Tele said:
Because in this particular case it usually devolves into the same rehashed arguments.
Most arguments on here are rehashed period lol I mean this thread is already 187 pages long. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to find unique thoughts about WW and DCEU on every page.
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Just now, God Emperor Tele said:
There's no perfect way to calculate it except to acknowledge it was an unusual situation that doesn't match well with other comparisons. The closest way that makes sense to me (in terms of calculating legs) is to pull the Walmart total from the OW and domestic total and go from there but obviously it's not a perfect solution. It makes more sense to me than just using 128/292, but YMMV. Either way, MOS's legs weren't particularly good for the time. They weren't awful but weren't great either.
Either way SR made more after OW adjusted despite grossing significantly less in its OW. That's not good for what WB was trying to accomplish and some of that mattered in trying to forecast and then what would be the actual for BvS.
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5 minutes ago, TheMovieman said:
I would think the bigger talk is a WW opening to over $100M. Can't we soak that up before delving back to MOS of 4 years ago?
Lol since when is talking about other movies in specific franchise not relevant? Especially when discussing legs and future projects.
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2 minutes ago, MrPink said:
I'm not saying it wouldn't, I don't know why it's the focal point of discussion, as if this discussion has never occurred before.
Wonder Woman probably isn't going to have legs like Man of Steel, BvS, or Suicide Squad so focusing on whether those respective films had good legs or not is gonna be moot in the end in regards to Wonder Woman
I agree but this discussion was also on what happens with JL now and those films do impact it obviously
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5 minutes ago, mredman said:
why i wonder is it because it does not fit your nonsentical argument lol
How does comparing Man of Steel to Civil War make any sense based on where the films are in their respective universes? You are the one who makes zero sense outside of them both being CBMs.
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Just now, damnitgeorge08 said:
Dude that's dumb. Walmart paid 12 million straight up to wb. How can you include it to calculate legs?
Did people not go to the movie? What's dumb is pretending like it didn't happen like what CJohn Tele and whoever else wants to make that argument.
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1 minute ago, MrPink said:
4 years after, Wonder Woman comes out, opens to over 100 million and we are talking about...
Man of Steel.
This is a DCEU opening is it not? Why wouldn't it come up?
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2 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said:
No,You can't count special previews that were purchased trough Wal-Mart.
MOS o.W is 115 without the previews the film gets an 2.396551724137931x.
While facing 66mil in WWz and 85mil in MU in its second weekend.
These two big openers at one time really is the reason the film missed 300 dom as it was only 9mil away.
IF you push WWz back a Week MOS easily gains another 9-12mil and would have avoided an 60% second week drop.
When you look at it that way the film actually preformed very damn strong.
SS had a 2.5x and is very well liked amongst the G.A. This is the very reason why the film has already made 80mil in home video sales and most likely will be close to passing the 100mil mark by August.
The film only had that 65% drop in its second week because of the T-Mobile deal as the company actually brought a margin of tickets to give to their customers.
When you look at it that way the film actually preformed very strongly.
No it didn't but agree to disagree. It's all a matter of perspective I guess.
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Just now, CJohn said:
It is what most people do.
Most people who don't get the full story but whatever you say.
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1 minute ago, mredman said:
this is complete nonsense. MoS had same legs as CW. What is CW excuse huh ? MoS got clipped by MU and WWZ also
Comparing MOS to CW doeant really work but nice try.
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1 minute ago, CJohn said:
MoS faced TONS of competition. The legs are fine. The best way to look at MoS is 116/279M. Remove the Walmart previews from it.
BvS's legs are hilarious. SS could have had BvS sort of legs if it didn't had August free of competition.
No they aren't man lol and why are you removing Walmart preview exactly when it's very similar to what is done now with Thursday previews? Superman Returns made more money adjusted after its OW than MOS did. That's not good sorry.
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3 minutes ago, Brainiac5 said:
Not as dumb as your comment was.
hell if BVS did 199dom or will still make 743 Ww.
The film would have to have done a Sub 150 to even miss 700ww.
In terms of Shared universe and not just some iconic icon theory this is very damn good as the Dceu will still average 700ww.
Things are slowly building up as they should be.
It's batman vs Superman, two of the most iconic characters in film history with WW also included. Your comments are dumb because the movie itself underperformed getting what it did. Done talking about this with you.
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SS gets a pass on its legs imo given how high it opened and vs expectations heading in but MOS and BvS do not imo. Although you could probably argue a similar thing about MOS but that post OW performance is so bad even compared to Superman Returns.
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MOS OW is really $128m, getting only $163m after that is uhhhhhh bad lol.
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Just now, Brainiac5 said:
BVS is the only film with bad legs.
Guess that depends on how you define bad legs. SS was OK I guess but MOS really was not.
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1 minute ago, Brainiac5 said:
This is very false As BVS with a 99mil opening would have still crossed 263dom and still managed 800ww and SS with a 99mil opening would still cross 296dom and 700ww without china.
This is very much flames ? as WW will end its run above 250dom.
Lol this is dumb.
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1 minute ago, damnitgeorge08 said:
Didn't say anythi g about jl. I was just saying avengers ow was more like deadpool. A novelty factor of seeing multiple heroes in a single film, start of a interconnected franchisee. Iron man becoming a social media icon.
So your point of avengers ow has anythjng to do with ca and thor is wrong according to me. They didn't stop but didn't help either.
I don't disagree the novelty played a factor, my point is the goodwill from the first run did contribute to its overperformance.
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1 minute ago, damnitgeorge08 said:
That's easy to say now. But at the time people were not predicting big numbers for avengers. "It's iron man 3, ca and thor disappointed".
In coming weeks people started to say it could do 130 ow.
Week before release, most sites started comparing it to hunger games 150 ow.
And than that week started, and went from #notaevent to destroying the ow record.
That's not happening with JL unless the movie itself is really good. Possible? Yes but how likely is it? It will have some goodwill from WW now so we'll see. Made it a lot more interesting that's for sure.
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You do not get the buzz leading into TA with a bad first wave John I completely disagree.
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Just now, John Marston said:
not really
Thor and CA and Iron Man 2 all had average legs. They weren't disliked or anything but people didn't go crazy over them
only the first Iron Man was extremely loved
the concept of The Avengers alone helped power it to those numbers
Want to compare audience scores? All of their first installments were better recieved than MoS, BvS, & SS. Maybe not in terms of BO but in terms of quality yes, they didn't have a single rotten film.
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That's why TA did insane money, because the previous installments (for the most part) were all well recieved. JL doesn't have that same goodwill and it's why no one has crazy big numbers for it.
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Just now, damnitgeorge08 said:
If we include all dvd sales, merch, etc. DC is doing real good. SS made same profit as civil war(dhd). Man of steel profit were less but bvs did good again. This is much better than beginning of any other franchise.
Let's be real about this... WW is their first "good" film, so it's a step in the right direction but your momentum as a studio is only as good as your next project so lets see JL before we declare this "on fire" or a massive success etc.
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2 minutes ago, God Emperor Tele said:
Yes, WB is overestimating the Sunday drop, I think. Being conservative.
We'll see, that Saturday jump is unusually good vs what is expected for Sunday.
What a WONDERful Weekend | WW down only 16% on Sunday. 103M weekend. pg 226
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How did the opening do vs the summer game and Derby predictions out of curiosity?