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On 6/12/2014 at 9:55 PM, superstancer said:

Edge of Tomorrow rights was sold for 6cr(1million) Net price in India..... Already first week it collected 5.60Cr(950k) so by friday its gonna breakeven :)

which basically means First week SHARE was ₹2cr and full run of ₹3cr. A disaster for Distributor.

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On 2/17/2018 at 9:33 PM, grim22 said:

That's... not true at all. Spider-Man Homecoming did better last year already without having to check further back than that.

This was my portal. What I meant, and I think I mentioned in article was Highest opening for Superhero's first standalone film. 

 

Otherwise Origin opening record stands with The Amazing Spider-Man back then, and now Captain Marvel.

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On 4/23/2018 at 12:13 PM, Durden said:

"Depending on the release size of the film these numbers can go as high as ₹40 crore Friday and ₹125 crore weekend. The previous weekend record for Hollywood film is just above ₹55 crore, and Avengers are looking to double that number. Crazy."

 

http://www.cinetrak.in/news_details.html?id=5add71c323d72957d5f8f453

4 days out was pretty much on spot.

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So Indian box office. Have seen many people confused about a few things about the Indian box office, so I am gonna make a post simplifying as much as I can. @grim22 & @ZeeSoh can pin this or move it to the first page if that's something they can do. Will make a couple of lists like Highest grossers and all, chalo shuru karte hain.

 

Everything you always wanted to know about Indian box office

 

First off, let's get done with terms used in the Indian box office.

  • GROSS: GROSS as you know, like everywhere else, except China, is the total sales of movie tickets. GROSS is rarely reported officially in Bollywood and Hollywood numbers but in the last few years, GROSS reporting has increased due to an increase in PAN-INDIA (will get to that) films. There are a few industries (yeah, we have multiple industries, will get to that too) that report GROSS, namely Kollywood, Mollywood, etc. 
     
  • NETT: This is the number, which is most widely reported for Bollywood, Hollywood and most North Indian films. This is basically "GROSS - Taxes & Service Charges". Prior to July 2017, there used to be an 'Entertainment Tax' which used to vary from state to state, on an average of 35-40% over the NETT sales. Post July 2017, India changed its taxation system and introduced GST. Currently, the GST rate is 18% for tickets priced over ₹100 and 12% for tickets less than ₹100.  Other than GST, some states have additional taxes at the local administration level. The overall tax figure comes out to 17-25% depending on which state the film made more money from.
     
  • SHARE: SHARE is what Distributor/Studio make from the ticket sales after giving the Exhibitors their share. There are various models which can be used for a film depending on the film, distributor and theatres. The National Multiplex Chains have fixed a week-wise revenue sharing system while Single Screens/Independent theatres are negotiated for almost every film, which well at end of the day is also fixed in some sense.
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SHARE terms in National Multiplexes

 

Week 1: 50% of Nett

Week 2: 42.5% of Nett

Week 3: 35% of Nett

Week 4 and after that: 30% of Nett

 

If any film do Blockbuster business, a bonus 2.5% is added to every week.

 

SHARE terms in Single Screens/Independent Chains

  • Just like Plexes, they also have norm to follow week wise % terms but are usually higher than Plexes at 60-70%.
  • Another method is rental system. A show has a fixed rent, say ₹25,000 for one show. A film collect ₹300,000 on 4 shows. After deducting ₹100,000 for rent, the rest is all SHARE of the film in that theater.

    It is also possible that a film collect just ₹80,000, which will mean -₹20,000 SHARE, known as DEFICIT.

 

 

Let's take the example of Avengers: Endgame. It GROSS ₹446 crores in India. The NETT revenue after paying GST was ₹368 crore. The DISTRIBUTOR SHARE, i.e. what Disney earned was ₹168 crore Approx.

 

Now, I hope you are aware of what the numbers you see mean, let me walk you through the main industries we have in India. Before that, you need to understand the languages in India, so go in the spoiler box.

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https://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/indianlanguages.htm

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The North India is Indo-Aryan speakers, of which Hindi is biggest one, which almost everyone in North India is either first speaker or second. Me personally, Hindi is my third language after Punjabi and English. There are other languages Gujarati, Punjabi, Bengali, etc. 

 

The South India, i.e. grayish blue is Dravidian languages, i.e. Tamil, Telugu, Malyalam and Kannada.

 

That's about enough.

  1. Bollywood: The biggest Industry in India, set in Mumbai, is one making Hindi language films. The main market for the film is North India as they can understand and speak Hindi along with maybe a separate mother tongue. About 40-45% of Indian box office come from this industry. In South India, Bollywood films are basically watched in cities where native people know Hindi or North Indians working in the South. Dangal, PK, 3 Idiots, Aamir Khan, Shah Rukh Khan and Salman Khan are from Bollywood.
     
  2. Tollywood: This is the Telugu language industry based in Telangana & Andhra Pradesh (North East part of that greyish-blue region you see in the map). Baahubali films (s) are the ones you all know are from Tollywood. Currently 2nd biggest Industry with 12-15% share but in the next 10 years they could be the biggest as the sort of films they are making have big appeal in North India, like Baahubali, so dubbing them they can increase their share in the pie quite considerably.
     
  3. Kollywood: This is the Tamil language industry, based in Tamil Nadu (South East of that greyish-blue part of the map). The share of the industry is 11-15% and more often they are at number three. The popular movies from this industry are 2.0 and Robot. They have a really good parallel cinema. The biggest film is 2.0.
     
  4. Mollywood: This is the Malayalam language industry, based in Kerala (South West....). The share is roughly 5% and movies are quite isolated from the rest of India, they are doing their own thing but probably the best content in the Indian film Industry. Not many popular films and they need much more exposure. The biggest film is Pulimurugan.
     
  5. Sandalwood: Kannada-based industry in Karnataka, (North West...). 5% share, most popular film KGF.
     
  6. Pollywood: My state, roughly 1-2% share, Punjabi language, nothing really special. Make local comedies and rom-com mostly. The biggest film is Carry on Jatta 2.
     
  7. And some other language industries in North India, rarely make any big film that catches the nation's eye. 6-7% share. It is the result of Bollywood's dominance that none other North Indian industry is the first preference of the respective state. Biggest film Sairat.
     

In recent years, post-Baahubali, PAN INDIA films have started getting made. Most of the time, it's just big-budget South Indian films having Tier B actors from Bollywood and dubbed in Hindi released in North. Recent film like Syeraa Narasimha Reddy. In future, there will be more. Basically, attempt to get whole of INDIA audience instead of just their own state.

 

How box office is tracked in India?

There are basically two numbers that you will see in India. One is Producer/Official numbers. The numbers are revealed Officially. A few years back these numbers were inflated very highly in Bollywood but nowadays things are better with increase in multiplexes' share of business, the box office is more accessible. The problem in South India still exists and they do release some BS numbers now and then. 
 

The other numbers are Trade Numbers. There are independent reporting services like Box Office India and many individual trackers like myself. South India, again things are a bit erry due to toxic fan culture and individual trackers. 

 

As to how the box office is tracked. Well, we don't have comScore coverage big enough to report numbers, but the existing box office system is quite robust. India is divided into various box office territories, look at another map in the spoiler. Basically, the numbers are compiled by adding numbers from these individual territories which are readily available if you know where to get them. Some territories may take more time to arrive but they do. On the base of these daily estimates are released by trade and by end of the week, the actuals are almost there.

 

The numbers of trade may differ based on their sources, for Bollywood, Box Office India is 99-100% accurate except sometimes, they notoriously give higher numbers initially for some PR or friendly purposes but in the end, their database numbers are quite good.

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Film_Territory_Map_2013.jpg

 

One more FAQ is what is crore and how much is this in dollars. Well, 'crore' is a term of the Indian number system equal to 10 million and regarding how much this is in dollars, learn the table of 7 for now. That will give you an idea. Whatever number in crore you see, divide it by 7 and that's dollar gross in millions. Way ER is going, you may soon need to learn table 8.

 

Now some facts and myths about the Indian box office.

  1. The ticket prices are very low compared to the rest of the world at roughly ₹100-225 ($1.5-3) depending on which theatre film makes money. For Bollywood films ATP in 2019 was ₹160 while for Hollywood around ₹175.
     
  2. No, India doesn't sell 2 billion or 3 billion movie tickets in a year. In 2019, the Indian box office grossed ₹11,500 cr Approx i.e $1.65 Billion selling roughly 750-800 million tickets and that's about the highest we go in a year. We are 5th biggest in terms of Gross and 3rd biggest in terms of Admissions.
     
  3. South Indians watch way more films than North India. In fact, North numbers are awful, while South India is similar to Korea, with big films getting even 30% of the population to watch the biggest films.

Anything else you wanna know, I will put it in.

 

Now a Few Lists.

Highest-Grossing Films in India

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Rank Title Year Gross (in crores ₹) Gross (in million $)
1 Baahubali: The Conclusion 2017 ₹1,347.00 $210.47
2 K.G.F: Chapter 2 2022 ₹980.00 $128.95
3 RRR 2022 ₹901.00 $120.13
4 Pathaan 2023 ₹635.00 $77.91
5 Dangal 2016 ₹511.30 $75.19
6 2.0 2018 ₹508.50 $72.64
7 Baahubali: The Beginning 2015 ₹482.00 $76.51
8 Avatar: The Way of Water 2022 ₹464.00 $56.24
9 P.K. 2014 ₹455.00 $72.22
10 Avengers: Endgame 2019 ₹448.00 $63.90
11 Tiger Zinda Hai 2017 ₹432.25 $67.02
12 Sanju 2018 ₹434.50 $66.85
13 Bajrangi Bhaijaan 2015 ₹422.20 $67.02
14 Sultan 2016 ₹415.10 $62.27
15 Padmaavat 2018 ₹379.00 $58.31
16 Dhoom 3 2013 ₹363.30 $57.67
17 Kantara 2022 ₹362.00 $45.70
18 War 2019 ₹359.80 $50.68
19 Pushpa: The Rise 2021 ₹348.00 $45.37
20 Saaho 2019 ₹339.25 $47.45
21 Tanhaji: The Unsung Warrior 2019 ₹328.00 $47.73
22 Ponniyin Selvan-I 2022 ₹327.00 $41.39
23 Kabir Singh 2019 ₹325.40 $46.99
24 Brahmāstra: Part One – Shiva 2022 ₹310.00 $39.24
25 Vikram 2022 ₹307.00 $39.36

 

 

 

 

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On 5/28/2018 at 9:26 PM, Fake said:

Since I didn't track box office numbers back then, I have no option but to follow Fox numbers but the ₹125cr they have reported is pure BS from whatever numbers I have seen. BOI numbers though less are still probably close to actuals.

 

Also Avatar Special Edition is said to do ₹15cr. Now that's some huge business for a re-release but guess what, there's absolutely no reporting for that anywhere. I checked the plexes yearly numbers archives, nothing there. When Titanic 3D did ₹18cr, it was all over the place, for Avatar, nothing. Fox also inflated My Name Is Khan numbers that year by 10%, so who knows?

 

Only big numbers for Avatar I have seen till date is, it grossed ₹7cr in Prasad Hyderabad. That's it.

 

Also if you look at numbers Fox reporting was even more of BS.

Week 1: ₹40cr (BOI once mentioned around ₹36cr, 90% that's close enough)

Week 2: ₹20cr (Fine 3 Idiots released, so drop is obvious but Xmas saves it. 3 Idiots grossed ₹76cr Nett)

Week 3: ₹14cr (Yeah, New Year weekend, hold is fine. 3I hold better at 74%.)

Week 4: ₹13cr (But why? No Holiday. No expansion. 3I hold was 53% after Holiday, why will this be 90% plus)

Week 5: ₹13.2cr (Like WTF? And there were big films and cinemas closed in South India for a day as well. 3 Idiots hold was 53% and this increased)

Week 6: ₹6.7cr (Veer released. 3 Idiots hold 60%. And co-incidentally BOI says in that week Avatar was actually flat)

Week 7: ₹2.9cr (And all of sudden it drops 57%. 3 Idiots also dropped same)

Week 8: ₹1.1cr (And another drop of 62%, next week MNIK released, the run perhaps end there. 3 Idiots hold so much better at 57%).

 

I tried to correlate it with Baahubali: The Beginning (Hindi) which also released one week before a big film but even that don't fit well. Using Nett.

 

Week 1: ₹43cr (108% Avatar Gross)

Week 2: ₹25cr (125% Avatar)

Week 3: ₹22cr (150% Avatar)

Week 4: ₹12.5cr (96%, from here it stop making sense)

Week 5: ₹6.5cr (50%)

Week 6: ₹3.4cr (50%)

Week 7: ₹1.9cr (65%)

Week 8: ₹1cr (90%)

Week 9 and after: ₹1cr (200%+)

 

If AVATAR had grossed ₹125cr, I believe someone in trade would have paid attention to it. Avatar numbers seems at least $8mn inflated and as per BOI they are $10mn inflated.

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On 6/1/2018 at 11:47 AM, oMeriMombatti said:

DP2 verdict is a bit harsh, it's a clean hit IMO. It has done similar business as SMH and T:R

Yeah collection were okay but it released in far from prints than SMH and T:R. On 2000 screens, you at least neeed ₹80-90cr business to be called HIT. Also few territories Fox sold to individual distributors, which lost money.

 

 

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On 6/8/2018 at 12:29 AM, Nostalgia said:

Why all of sudden Hollywood stopped dumping in 3D ?

Whatever the reason , I am so happy. 😁

Watching in 3D was such a pain.

Well, Studio want a share in 3D glass charges which exhibitor didn't. So distributors other than Disney stopped releasing in 3D. Disney has no problem in letting go any additional revenue from 3D.

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On 6/23/2020 at 8:13 PM, charlie Jatinder said:

Fox also inflated My Name Is Khan numbers that year by 10%, so who knows?

 

So talked with an exhibitor friend. He didn't knew about the business detail of Avatar but said the inflation could be due to the fact that Fox Star India execs would have wanted to paint a better picture for the prospects in India, to get better budgets and money from America. One way of doing so was reporting a higher number. Since Avatar made most of its money in 3D and after 3rd week in their reporting, the share after 3rd week as per their reporting would be around ₹11cr only from ₹57cr GROSS and overall ₹30cr SHARE.

 

Regarding BOI it is possible, they have bit smaller number from South and Nett number might not be including 3D glass charges.

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I found some box office data about timeline of highest grossing hollywood film in india

Sound of music(1965)-Mackenna's Gold(1969)-Jurassic Park(1993)-Titanic(1998)-Spiderman 3(2007)-2012(2009)-Avatar(2009)-Furious 7(2015)-The Jungle Book(2016)-Avengers:Infinity War(2018)-Avengers:Endgame(2019)

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3 hours ago, Bruce said:

I found some box office data about timeline of highest grossing hollywood film in india

Sound of music(1965)-Mackenna's Gold(1969)-Jurassic Park(1993)-Titanic(1998)-Spiderman 3(2007)-2012(2009)-Avatar(2009)-Furious 7(2015)-The Jungle Book(2016)-Avengers:Infinity War(2018)-Avengers:Endgame(2019)

Anything else. I mean this is widely known.

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1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said:

Yeah these two aren't. Do you know how much they grossed?

 

Before Jurassic Park, its Chinese films which had foreign record as per some.

Yeah,is Bruce Lee movie,Way of the Dargon,Break foreign record in india set by Meckenna's Gold,but I don't know the grossed.

I found Mackenna's Gold india box office in the passage:

Mackenna’s Gold was not a box office success in the U.S. (where it returned only $3 million on its then-substantial production costs of $14 million ), but it did better overseas.  In India, strangely enough, it remained the top Hollywood grosser in history until blockbusters like Jurassic Park and Titanic came along.  Even worldwide hits such as Jaws and Star Wars would not make as much money in India as Mackenna’s Gold did.  The film went through countless re-runs until well into the 1980s and could be seen in cinema halls across India, including small venues in the medium-size towns of North India.

also I found James Bond 007 film is super popular in india last century(Acutally,when I checked international market 1960-80s,James Bond film is super popular everywhere),Perhaps it had a chance to break foreign record in india,maybe Goldfinger of From Russia with love.

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The earliest numbers I found for Bond are Casino Royale with ₹4.75cr & ₹14.95cr opening day & weekend record for Hollywood to a final of ₹42cr, which was second biggest for Hollywood films after Titanic. Now these are official numbers, may be were bit bloated, who knows. 

 

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Random Hollywood facts.

  1. India was 2nd biggest market for Anacondas (2004) with $4.2mn or ₹19cr after USA. Admissions would be around 4.5mn, which might be par USA I guess. Inflation adjusted ₹80cr or $11mn.
  2. The Mummy Returns (2001) did well in India as well with $5.9mn or ₹28cr, Hollywood's 2nd biggest after Titanic I guess. Admissions 7.5mn. Inflation adjusted ₹130cr or $18mn.
  3. King Kong (2006) ₹33cr or $7.6mn in 2005, admissions perhaps 5.5mn, inflation adjusted would be ₹95cr or $13mn.
  4. The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor (2008) also did well with ₹42cr or $9.8mn in 2008. Admissions around 5mn I would guess.

 

Till Early 2010s, Hollywood's B list films did quite well in India, only in this decade mainstream films like MCU, Disney flicks started getting better numbers.

 

Ignoring the films which break All Time RecordI guess all time Hollywood timeline would be something like. All Time Records are bold.

 

Jurassic Park: ₹22cr

Titanic: ₹53cr

Godzilla: ₹27cr

The Mummy Returns: ₹28cr

Spider-man 2: ₹32cr

King Kong: ₹33cr

Casino Royale: ₹42cr

Spider-man 3: ₹65cr

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor: ₹42cr

Quantum of Solace: ₹45cr

2012: ₹90cr

Avatar: ₹125cr

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol: ₹60cr

Avengers: Assemble: ₹68cr

The Amazing Spider-man: ₹79cr

Life of Pi: ₹82cr

Furious 7: ₹141cr (Universal numbers ₹155cr)

Avengers: Age of Ultron: ₹104cr

Jurassic World: ₹132cr (Universal numbers ₹140cr)

The Jungle Book: ₹255cr

Avengers: Infinity War: ₹296cr

Avengers: Endgame: ₹439cr

The Lion King: ₹183cr

 

9 out of these are creature films. (2 Mummy, 2 Jurassic)

4 are Avengers film.

3 are Spider-man films (5).

2 Cameron films.

2 Bond films.

1 Mission Impossible.

1 Fast and Furious Film.

1 Disaster film.

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