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12 hours ago, Eric and the Ten Rings said:

Halfway through From Russia with Love. What horny executive demanded there to be a scene where two gypsies wrestled each other in the mud for no reason?

It's actually from the book. The sequence serves three purposes:

 

1. Adds cultural flavor

2. Displays the antagonism between the Russian Agents and Kerim Bey or, more broadly, the conflict between the Russians and British in Turkey. Understanding this conflict is integral to understanding why Spectre's plan matters in the first place. 

3. Shows the audience that Red Grant is tailing Bond. Bond is saved by Grant (unbeknownst to Bond) because he's integral to Spectre's plan.

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On 9/12/2021 at 5:17 PM, Eric and the Ten Rings said:

I've never seen any Bond film until now and I finished up the Craig titles last night (I'll try and get through all the other ones this month). So I was told that all these Bond movies were basically trend chasers and followed whatever was popular at the time and like...I'm still kind of amazed by this? Because basically each Craig iteration so different from one another and each feel like a time capsule for the year they came out. Even Quantum on the basis that it was a victim of the Writer's Strike, because of how weird the script for that movie was. I guess the next Bond movie will be about Twitch or whatever lmao

 

Bond is both a genre unto itself and a sponge, of sorts. The Bond franchise created modern action cinema. Its villains, set design, sardonic wit, music, style and general flavor can be identified in every corner of popular culture. Hell, Friday the 13th Part VI features a "gunbarrel" opening.

 

 

The Bond franchise will be 60 years old next year. So, yeah it's absorbed cultural trends and various cinematic styles. But every film franchise does this. It's just that Bond is the only one, save for Godzilla, that's been around for nearly half of cinema's 126 year history. 

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15 hours ago, Pinacolada said:

Yeah lol. The first half of that movie isn't great, but the part where they get on the train and on was pretty spectacular I thought

Oh I actually really dug the film. Basically felt like a more confident and refined Dr. No. It's just...really out of place compared to everything else

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Watched The Spy Who Loved Me too yesterday. Not so bad. Something almost relaxing about it once you accept that it's a semi-remake of You Only Live Twice paced with all the excitement of a middle-aged man's vacation. For some reason I'd expected Moore to be leaning into the silliness so it was nice to see him dryly underplaying much of it instead. Barbara Bach is hot. Between her, Isabella Scorupco and Daniela Bianchi I appreciate the series' casting of Soviet/Russian women even if none of them were the real thing.

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3 hours ago, Burgess said:

It's actually from the book. The sequence serves three purposes:

 

1. Adds cultural flavor

2. Displays the antagonism between the Russian Agents and Kerim Bey or, more broadly, the conflict between the Russians and British in Turkey. Understanding this conflict is integral to understanding why Spectre's plan matters in the first place. 

3. Shows the audience that Red Grant is tailing Bond. Bond is saved by Grant (unbeknownst to Bond) because he's integral to Spectre's plan.

 

....but really, it's about two hot gypsy women wrestling in the mud.

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29 minutes ago, ViktorLosAngeles said:

So, where do we think this will land in terms of numbers for the opening weekend? I'm guessing anywhere between 70 and 100 million $ in the US.

I think this does 80mill

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2 hours ago, ViktorLosAngeles said:

So, where do we think this will land in terms of numbers for the opening weekend? I'm guessing anywhere between 70 and 100 million $ in the US.

I'm gonna go with between $75 million to $80 million. 

 

Hopefully the legs are better than Black Widow's, regardless of the opening weekend numbers. 

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5 minutes ago, ViktorLosAngeles said:

I think it will have legs, possibly 200+ million in the US.

The last two had pretty good legs (Skyfall - $88.4 million OW, $304.4 million DOM; Spectre - $70.4 million OW/$200.1 million DOM), so I feel confident it should continue the trend.

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9 minutes ago, ViktorLosAngeles said:

I think it will have legs, possibly 200+ million in the US.

 

Casino Royale 40M opening, 167M domestic BO over 4x

Quantum of Solace  67M opening, 169M domestic BO

Skyfall 88M opening , 304m domestic BO

Spectre 70M opening, 200M domestic BO

 

Its pretty simple, make a good Bond and it will have good legs like CR and Skyfall, make a mediocre one (although I personally don't mind QoS) and it wont have great legs. 

 

I do think the writers strike hampered the QoS movie. I remember reading that Craig was actually having to do some of the writing on set and you can see it had the bones of a good movie but was 10 to 20 minutes short of what it needed to be (as well as a weak villain).

 

If the movie is good it will do very well even with the older brigade being more reluctant to go to the cinema. 

 

 

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Yeah I'm  really curious how this will open. I think it can match and even beat Spectre, but the whole crowd saying that this appeals to older folks and those folks aren't really coming back to theaters yet makes me question what's realistic for this movie

 

I agree that reviews will be really important for this. I fully expect this to be on the same level as Casino Royale/Skyfall and that's gonna help it a lot. 

 

I wonder when reviews are gonna drop though. The premiere is on September 28 in the UK which is only a day before it would premiere there which is odd. Obviously that will give it a week to build good buzz domestically, but I still think/hope that reviews will be out a little earlier with some screenings for critics 

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2 hours ago, Pinacolada said:

Yeah I'm  really curious how this will open. I think it can match and even beat Spectre, but the whole crowd saying that this appeals to older folks and those folks aren't really coming back to theaters yet makes me question what's realistic for this movie

 

I agree that reviews will be really important for this. I fully expect this to be on the same level as Casino Royale/Skyfall and that's gonna help it a lot. 

 

I wonder when reviews are gonna drop though. The premiere is on September 28 in the UK which is only a day before it would premiere there which is odd. Obviously that will give it a week to build good buzz domestically, but I still think/hope that reviews will be out a little earlier with some screenings for critics 

The reviews are dropping right after the premiere (midnight).

 

all Craig bond films had their red carpet premiere around 2 days before the release. (Tho sky fall reviews came out half month early)

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23 minutes ago, jason1230 said:

The reviews are dropping right after the premiere (midnight).

 

all Craig bond films had their red carpet premiere around 2 days before the release. (Tho sky fall reviews came out half month early)

Yeah some Spectre reviews also came out before its premiere as well I believe 

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11 hours ago, Pinacolada said:

Yeah I'm  really curious how this will open. I think it can match and even beat Spectre, but the whole crowd saying that this appeals to older folks and those folks aren't really coming back to theaters yet makes me question what's realistic for this movie

 

I agree that reviews will be really important for this. I fully expect this to be on the same level as Casino Royale/Skyfall and that's gonna help it a lot. 

 

I wonder when reviews are gonna drop though. The premiere is on September 28 in the UK which is only a day before it would premiere there which is odd. Obviously that will give it a week to build good buzz domestically, but I still think/hope that reviews will be out a little earlier with some screenings for critics 

 

Broadway just reopened to big crowds. The average age for a Broadway theatergoer is 42.3 years old. The age range for the average Bond film goer is 25-45. If Broadway is any indication of the willingness for "older" demographics to attend mass entertainment gatherings, then NTTD will be fine.

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1 hour ago, Burgess said:

 

Broadway just reopened to big crowds. The average age for a Broadway theatergoer is 42.3 years old. The age range for the average Bond film goer is 25-45. If Broadway is any indication of the willingness for "older" demographics to attend mass entertainment gatherings, then NTTD will be fine.

 

People will go watch Bond despite the pandemic because now is no time to die

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