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1 hour ago, TigerPaw said:

I still can't believe Skyfall hit a billion. It really showed the bond franchise is not a UK or west centric franchise, but a franchise that is popular worldwide.

 

That has always been true. Bond's box office ebbs and flows like anything else, but the brand's cultural influence is entrenched around the world. Like a storied fashion house, Bond comes in and out of vogue but no one can deny that the franchise, similar to Gucci or Yves Saint Laurent, will always be revered above most.

 

To put it another way, do you imagine the U.S. President opening the LA Olympic ceremony in 2028 with Iron Man or Thor?

 

Queen Elizabeth Wanted Speaking Part in James Bond Olympics Sketch |  PEOPLE.com

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3 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

For a franchise to survive, it must add younger demos which Pixar and MCU do best I believe. Even Potter fanbase is aged a bit now. Is Bond doing that? If not, drops from previous films are imminent.

 

Does Bond get younger audience in UK @SchumacherFTW?

 

Not entirely related with this, but Spectre just like Europe, dropped very less in Canada. Skyfall did C$45M while Spectre was C$41M. While US dropped from $264M to $169M.


To have two of the three biggest grossing films ever over here, Bond hits all quadrants. 
 

It’s going to be huge. The pre-sales where I live look encouraging. The hype machine will kick into overdrive when it premieres in London on Tuesday. It’s inescapable. 
 

Spectre and Skyfall huge? Not a chance. Certainly by far the biggest grossing film in the U.K. since Rise of Skywalker. It’s important the movie is good of course, but I feel pretty confident it will deliver. 

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3 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

For a franchise to survive, it must add younger demos which Pixar and MCU do best I believe. Even Potter fanbase is aged a bit now. Is Bond doing that? If not, drops from previous films are imminent.

 

Bond has been on screen for 60 years and its never been as commercially successful as it is now with the Craig iteration.  For that reason I suspect the next incarnation of Bond won't be that much different than the Craig movies in style and aesthetic.  Why dumb it down or change it towards a YA audience?  If anything, when Bond shed the goofiness and camp, things you'd probably otherwise associate with younger audiences, the franchise become more commercially successful.

 

Bond will always adapt in order to remain relevant.  The more serious Craig version of Bond was a direct response to the success of The Bourne Identity, all the parodying it got by the Austin Powers movies, and a post 9/11 world.  I just hope producers and studio heads don't completely misread the room one day do something incredibly stupid.

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23 minutes ago, Burgess said:

 

That has always been true. Bond's box office ebbs and flows like anything else, but the brand's cultural influence is entrenched around the world. Like a storied fashion house, Bond comes in and out of vogue but no one can deny that the franchise, similar to Gucci or Yves Saint Laurent, will always be revered above most.

 

To put it another way, do you imagine the U.S. President opening the LA Olympic ceremony in 2028 with Iron Man or Thor?

 

Queen Elizabeth Wanted Speaking Part in James Bond Olympics Sketch |  PEOPLE.com

Why not Captain America?

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10 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

 

Bond has been on screen for 60 years and its never been as commercially successful as it is now with the Craig iteration.  For that reason I suspect the next incarnation of Bond won't be that much different than the Craig movies in style and aesthetic.  Why dumb it down or change it towards a YA audience?  If anything, when Bond shed the goofiness and camp, things you'd probably otherwise associate with younger audiences, the franchise become more commercially successful.

 

Bond will always adapt in order to remain relevant.  The more serious Craig version of Bond was a direct response to the success of The Bourne Identity, all the parodying it got by the Austin Powers movies, and a post 9/11 world.  I just hope producers and studio heads don't completely misread the room one day do something incredibly stupid.

I'd beg to differ. For a 60 year old franchise, inflation matters when assessing relative success.

 

(domestic)

  1. Thunderball ($590 million) - 1965
  2. Goldfinger ($514.7 million)
  3. Skyfall ($358.3 million) - 2012
  4. You Only Live Twice ($336.4 million)
  5. Moonraker ($262.5 million) - 1979
  6. Die Another Day ($259.6 million) - 2002
  7. Tomorrow Never Dies ($255.8 million)
  8. From Russia With Love ($249.8 million)
  9. Diamonds Are Forever ($248.8 million)
  10. Casino Royale (2006) ($239.5 million)
  11. The World is Not Enough ($234.1 million) - 1999
  12. GoldenEye ($229.3 million)
  13. Spectre ($222.4 million)
  14. Quantum of Solace ($219.7 million)
  15. Octopussy ($202 million) - 1981
  16. The Spy Who Loved Me ($196.8 million)
  17. Live and Let Die ($187.3 million)
  18. For Your Eyes Only ($184.7 million)
  19. Casino Royale (1967) ($177.3 million)
  20. Dr. No ($177.1 million)
  21. Never Say Never Again ($164.9 million)
  22. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service ($150.3 million)
  23. A View to a Kill ($132.8 million)
  24. The Living Daylights ($122.7 million)
  25. The Man with the Golden Gun ($105.1 million)
  26. Licence to Kill ($81.8 million)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbean/2020/04/18/all-26-james-bond-films-ranked-at-the-box-office/?sh=3baa57041804

 

 

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Unpopular opinion...

 

Skyfall is a visually stunning film with great performances but overall the film was hugely overrated with pockets of great scenes.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Noctis said:

Unpopular opinion...

 

Skyfall is a visually stunning film with great performances but overall the film was hugely overrated with pockets of great scenes.

 

 

The person that was audibly snoring at my showing (and the crowd that felt a bit jealous of that) would agree I think.

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27 minutes ago, Noctis said:

Unpopular opinion...

 

Skyfall is a visually stunning film with great performances but overall the film was hugely overrated with pockets of great scenes.

 

 

It has a good enough ending to make people think they watched an awesome movie

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2 hours ago, Burgess said:

I'd beg to differ. For a 60 year old franchise, inflation matters when assessing relative success.

 

(domestic)

  1. Thunderball ($590 million) - 1965
  2. Goldfinger ($514.7 million)
  3. Skyfall ($358.3 million) - 2012
  4. You Only Live Twice ($336.4 million)
  5. Moonraker ($262.5 million) - 1979
  6. Die Another Day ($259.6 million) - 2002
  7. Tomorrow Never Dies ($255.8 million)
  8. From Russia With Love ($249.8 million)
  9. Diamonds Are Forever ($248.8 million)
  10. Casino Royale (2006) ($239.5 million)
  11. The World is Not Enough ($234.1 million) - 1999
  12. GoldenEye ($229.3 million)
  13. Spectre ($222.4 million)
  14. Quantum of Solace ($219.7 million)
  15. Octopussy ($202 million) - 1981
  16. The Spy Who Loved Me ($196.8 million)
  17. Live and Let Die ($187.3 million)
  18. For Your Eyes Only ($184.7 million)
  19. Casino Royale (1967) ($177.3 million)
  20. Dr. No ($177.1 million)
  21. Never Say Never Again ($164.9 million)
  22. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service ($150.3 million)
  23. A View to a Kill ($132.8 million)
  24. The Living Daylights ($122.7 million)
  25. The Man with the Golden Gun ($105.1 million)
  26. Licence to Kill ($81.8 million)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbean/2020/04/18/all-26-james-bond-films-ranked-at-the-box-office/?sh=3baa57041804

 

 

 

 

Can you really compare the BO of the Connery films of 50 years ago to more contemporary entries of today though?  Much more people went to the movies back then on average than they do today.  The boxoffice and the nature of moviegoing has changed dramatically since then and will it continue to change.  I'm not even sure if we can compare films coming out now and in the future to films that have come out just 2 years ago since COVID may have permanently reduced the amount of people who are willing to go to theaters. 

 

24 minutes ago, JWR said:

So many bad takes on this page.... 

 

Die Another Day is pretty great.

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ozymandias said:

 

 

Can you really compare the BO of the Connery films of 50 years ago to more contemporary entries of today though?  Much more people went to the movies back then on average than they do today.  The boxoffice and the nature of moviegoing has changed dramatically since then and will it continue to change.  I'm not even sure if we can compare films coming out now and in the future to films that have come out just 2 years ago since COVID may have permanently reduced the amount of people who are willing to go to theaters. 

 

 

Die Another Day is pretty great.

 

 

 

 

The first 40 minutes of Die Another Day honestly show a lot of potential for what the movie could have been. Bond being captured and tortured North Korea, disavowed by MI6, forsaken by his country. Had the rest of the film focused on a rogue Bond figuring out who blew his cover and clearing his name, it could have been great. 

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2 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

 

 

Can you really compare the BO of the Connery films of 50 years ago to more contemporary entries of today though?  Much more people went to the movies back then on average than they do today.  The boxoffice and the nature of moviegoing has changed dramatically since then and will it continue to change.  I'm not even sure if we can compare films coming out now and in the future to films that have come out just 2 years ago since COVID may have permanently reduced the amount of people who are willing to go to theaters. 

 

 

Die Another Day is pretty great.

 

By that logic no film in any preceding decade could ever really be considered a success in and of itself. We can't make a proper assessment of the popularity of "Star Wars" because it was made in 1977 and not 2017. Was "The Exorcist" even successful since it was made 50 years ago?

 

I get the argument about a bigger movie going public in the 1960s but tickets sold are tickets sold. Doesn't Bond's current existence kinda speak to the continued popularity of the films? Or, at least, the popularity of those early films? Audiences didn't have to watch those films. In fact, Hollywood is filled with way more losses or so-so results than box office successes or outright phenomenons. Bond has been both at various times in its 60 year history.

 

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