The International Box Office Discussion Thread

[setna]

On 6/8/2020 at 9:40 AM, charlie Jatinder said:

Biggest Box Office Countries (in million $)

1. USA: 10,300
2. China: 9,124
3. Japan: 2,228
4. South Korea: 1,684
5. UK: 1,590
6. India: 1,570
7. France: 1,441
8. Germany: 1,081
9. Canada: 1,030
10. Mexico: 992

Thanks Charlie, intersting data.

With these numbers we can see South Korea is the country with highest percentage of moviegoers-

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Top Markets at end of November

 

1. China - $2.438Bn

2. USA/Canada - $2.225Bn

3. Japan - $1Bn

4. France - $425mn

5. UK - $410mn

6. South Korea - $395mn

 

India $260mn till March 15, 2020

Edited December 4, 2020 by charlie Jatinder

[LPLC]

According to Box Office Mojo, Titanic's new total is $2,471,751,922, is this a bug or is the actual updated total ?

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this is very similar to what box office is expected to be. @WandaLegion Indonesia.

 

 

[LPLC]

I would like to know something, in France the most viewed film in relation to the number of inhabitants is Titanic (21,774,181 admissions / 59,9M people = 36.35% of the population saw this movie in 1998).

 

What is the most viewed film in your country in relation to the number of inhabitants of the country in the year this film was released ?

 

And which is the country with the film having the most spectators in relation to its number of inhabitants ? (I think it's probably the United States with Star Wars IV but I'm not sure)

Edited December 28, 2020 by LPLC

[Barnack]

43 minutes ago, LPLC said:

(21,774,181 admissions / 59,9M people = 36.35% of the population saw this movie in 1998).

Because of how many people saw Titanic more than one time (or even more than 20 times) in theater that a step we can be timid to take, even in a country that count admissions instead of box office revenues like france.

 

For any non France country, it become really hard to know, because we have just a rough idea of admissions to start with.

 

Has for most tickets sold in relation to the numbers of inhabitants at the moment of release, Gone With the Winds is the obvious success and movies before it was possible to see them anywhere else being massively at the top of those type of list.

 

Gone With the winds has 16.73 admissions in France apparently, 1950 release there (41.833 millions inhabitant), 39.99%, maybe it is the record there (I imagine in a lot of the western world it will be a suspected candidate)

[lab276]

Crocodile Dundee sold about 8.8m tickets in Australia between 1986 and 87, or about 55% of the population at the time (16.1m).

[LPLC]

37 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Because of how many people saw Titanic more than one time (or even more than 20 times) in theater that a step we can be timid to take, even in a country that count admissions instead of box office revenues like france.

 

For any non France country, it become really hard to know, because we have just a rough idea of admissions to start with.

 

Has for most tickets sold in relation to the numbers of inhabitants at the moment of release, Gone With the Winds is the obvious success and movies before it was possible to see them anywhere else being massively at the top of those type of list.

 

Gone With the winds has 16.73 admissions in France apparently, 1950 release there (41.833 millions inhabitant), 39.99%, maybe it is the record there (I imagine in a lot of the western world it will be a suspected candidate)

I don't trust Gone with the Wind numbers, they are skewed across the world. In the United States GWTW would have made 202 million admissions while the country had only 130 millions of inhabitants, similar to the United Kingdom where the film would have made more than 35 million admissions and I have plenty of examples like this (Australia, ...). It's rubbish and you shouldn't trust these numbers. 

[LPLC]

28 minutes ago, lab276 said:

Crocodile Dundee sold about 8.8m tickets in Australia between 1986 and 87, or about 55% of the population at the time (16.1m).

Crocodile Dundee was a real phenomenon in Australia. Do you think that one day a film will exceed 10 million admissions here ?

[Barnack]

2 minutes ago, LPLC said:

GWTW would have made 202 million admissions while the country had only 130 millions of inhabitants

Well 202 million admissions during how many decade, it is in any way an obvious candidate in all those country for the most people seeing those movies in theater versus the population of the time, 

 

1) Movie theater were much more numerous and more than 10 times more popular than now

2) It was the only way to see a movie

[LPLC]

8 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Well 202 million admissions during how many decade, it is in any way an obvious candidate in all those country for the most people seeing those movies in theater versus the population of the time, 

 

1) Movie theater were much more numerous and more than 10 times more popular than now

2) It was the only way to see a movie

Do you know how they got that number ? They just used inflation and divided by the price of the ticket. Inflation fluctuates continuously, this is the least accurate and reliable way to calculate this. There is a margin of error which can be counted in tens of millions of admissions.

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, LPLC said:

Do you know how they got that number ? They just used inflation and divided by the price of the ticket. Inflation fluctuates continuously, this is the least accurate and reliable way to calculate this. There is a margin of error which can be counted in tens of millions of admissions.

I used your numbers, there is much more and complex work made on this that took into account each release, the inflated price they had because it was a prestigious release and so on.

 

Regardless, I think we can all agree that it will be the first movie to look at in most western market, has a movie released in the 1939 and popular among all the 40s:

 

 

Will be almost impossible to beat in the what % of the population saw it in theater type of question.

 

And that graph is similar in the UK/Australia and so on.

 

Even using half the alleged admissions, it would still be a candidate.

[LPLC]

Very interesting your graphic, thanks for that.

 

But I have a question, in Australia GWTW would have done 40,824,637 admissions. Australia had only 7 million inhabitants in 1940. It was as if the entire Australian population had watched the film almost 6 times at the time. Do you really think these numbers are real ?

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2 minutes ago, LPLC said:

But I have a question, in Australia GWTW would have done 40,824,637 admissions. Australia had only 7 million inhabitants in 1940. It was as if the entire Australian population had watched the film almost 6 times at the time. Do you really think these numbers are real ?

 

You have to keep in mind, GWTW was in theaters for YEARS and this was in a time when things like this were novel, unique, and there was no other way to see it but to buy a theater ticket. Add in the fact there during WW2 there where even fewer entertainment options that normal, and yes I can see GWTW achieving those numbers. 

[Barnack]

On 12/28/2020 at 5:21 PM, LPLC said:

Very interesting your graphic, thanks for that.

 

But I have a question, in Australia GWTW would have done 40,824,637 admissions. Australia had only 7 million inhabitants in 1940. It was as if the entire Australian population had watched the film almost 6 times at the time. Do you really think these numbers are real ?

I have seen 38-39 million before.

 

Australia had only 7 million inhabitants, but when he was still re-released in the 50s,60s,70s,80s, etc.... it was a bigger country.

 

If we take the USA for a model and some of the most extensive work made about it, Gone with the winds has sold nearly 160 million admissions by now (it is still usually at the top when not the top popular old movie in theater every year), only 20 millions occurred during its first release, 20 millions of a country of 131 millions is a good amount considering they were fancy expensive roadshows affair, but most of the sales occured in 1941 and 1954, 67 was a really big year as well.

 

That number seem really big to me (compared to France 16-17 millions, but France was hurt by the war during part of GWTW craze in a way I imagine Australia wasn't nearly), but if something like that occurred there, it is not the equivalent of everyone seeing the movie 6 times the first 3 years it played there, but accumulated over many decade of reruns

Edited December 30, 2020 by Barnack

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Cinema admissions in France, Europe’s biggest movie market, plunged 70% in 2020, compared with 2019, decimated by COVID-19, which saw French cinemas shutter for 176 days this year, France’s National Film Board (CNC) announced on Wednesday.

 

Total ticket sales came in at 65.1 million, according to the CNC, 65.2 million according to Comscore, which valued that trawl at €450 million ($549 million) in gross box office. Given that France saw 213 million admissions and total box office earnings of $1.62 billion in 2019, according to European Audiovisual Observatory estimates, 2020 results saw the market lose more than $1 billion in cinema ticket sales.

 

https://variety.com/2020/film/global/cnc-comscore-box-office-france-1234876600/

 

@Gavin Feng International Box Office discussion thread.

Edited December 30, 2020 by charlie Jatinder

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Box office in India dropped 83% in 2020, grossing just $270mn as compared to $1.58Bn last year. Almost entirety of 2020 number came till March, post reopening didn't even cross $10mn.

 

Tanhaji was year topper with ₹324cr ($45.6mn) followed by Ala Vaikunthapurramuloo ₹227cr.

[Gavin Feng]

U.K., Italy, Spain, China Lead International Box Office Losses in 2020

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/international-box-office-comscore-1234876592/

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Savaged by COVID-19, global box office plunged between 57% and 76% in major markets outside the U.S., with the U.K. and Ireland leading the rout, crashing 76% against 2019, according to a Comscore study, published Wednesday.

Also hit hard were China (-70%), South Korea (-71%), and Italy and Spain (both down 72%). Russia (-60%), Japan (-61%) and New Zealand (-62%) in contrast performed relatively well by pandemic standards. Australia (-65%) and Germany and France (-69%) posted middling performances.

Two factors condition territories’ performances, Eric Marti, head of Comscore France, told Variety: The length and scale of cinema theater closures; and the strength of local industries, so the capacity of their movies to compensate for the lack of Hollywood blockbusters.

The massive hit taken by the U.K. industry is explained by “the lack of strong local titles,” Marti said. Japan, in large contrast, benefitted this year from the $313.7 million (JPY32.5 billion) accumulated gross run up through Dec. 27 by animated feature “Demon Slayer the Movie: Mugen Train,” making it the biggest-ever box office hit in Japan. Russian cinemas have remained open since July 15.

In France, cinemas have remained closed for 176 days this year, but French movies came to the rescue after cinema theaters reopened from June 22 to Oct. 28, the market share of local movies skyrocketing from 40.4% in October 2019 to 62.1% in October 2020.

The market that best survived COVID-19, according to the Comscore study, was the Netherlands, where total 2020 box office was down just 57% on 2019.

All figures are through either Dec. 21 or Dec. 27/28 and estimates. The huge damage wreaked on cinemagoing outside the U.S. is, however, brutally clear.

 

[LPLC]

Does anyone know if on mojo box office the revenues from cyprus are included to greece or some other country ?

[LPLC]

some links to follow the box office around the world :

 

Latin America :

 

Argentina/Brazil/Bolivia/Chile/Paraguay/Peru/Uruguay : https://www.exhibidorlatino.com/rankings.html

Mexico : http://canacine.org.mx

Venezuela : cdlasilusiones on Instagram

 

 

Oceania : 

 

Australia/New Zealand : numeroboxoffice on Twitter

 

 

Europe : https://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/search/

 

Austria : http://www.filminstitut.at/

Bulgaria/Germany/Finland/France/Greece/United Kingdom/Italia/Netherlands/Norway/Poland/Portugal/Russia/Switzerland/Slovakia/Spain/Czech Republic/Turkey/Ukraine/Hungary : https://www.insidekino.de

 

 

Asia :

 

China/South Korea/Japan : https://www.insidekino.de

India : Ask Charlie Jatinder

 

Africa : 

 

Nigeria : https://ceanigeria.com/box-office

 

 

Others links : http://www.jpbox-office.com

                       https://web.ultracine.com

                       http://english.entgroup.cn/index.aspx

                       http://www.koreanfilm.or.kr/eng/main/main.jsp

                       http://www.worldofkj.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

                       ...

 

If anyone has other links for other countries that I don't know, say so

Edited January 3, 2021 by LPLC