ITALY (Botteghino): 'Kung Fu Panda 4' stronger than predecessor

[Fullbuster]

You forgot Australia... But Brazil is not a better market than Italy. Actually Brazil last year's total was $9 M less than the italian one and brazil's population is more than 3 times the italian.

 

Are you sure about Brazil? Still that doesn't change anything given thevBrazilian growth is much higher, so if it's not in 2013 you can be sure it will be the case this year. And it's not fair from you to say Brazil's population is 3 times bigger than Italy's because you imply the Brazilian market is underperforming despite it's not the case : Brazil is a developing market with a fast-growth market, Italy is a developed and mature market with quite a stagnation. I compared Italy with France because they're both developed and with a similar population. You can't compare apples with oranges ^^

 

And yes, I forgot Australia.

[Hernan Gonzalez]

[edroger3]

Do you know the reasons?

Is a kind of tradition to go to the cinemas with the family at that time, something that rarely happens at other times of the year, although holidays. for example, in the summer, cinemas in Italy are virtually "closed for holidays"

[Fullbuster]

 

These were the Top 13 OS markets in 2013:

 

 

  2013 Total Dif. 2012 1 China $3.60 B +28.0% 2 UK $1.94 B -1.0% 3 Japan $1.88 B -3.6% 4 France $1.60 B -5.3% 5 India $1.54 B +10.0% 6 South Korea $1.49 B +6.5% 7 Germany $1.30 B -15.0% 8 Russia $1.30 B +8.0% 9 Australia $965.3 M -5.0% 10 Mexico $934.0 M +15.3% 11 Italy $840.0 M +1.5% 12 Brazil $831.1 M +6.1% 13 Spain $675.7 M -15.0%

 

And this is the same list taking in account population:

 

 

  2013 Total Population     $ per capita  1 Australia $965.3 M 23.4 M     41.25 2 UK $1.94 B 63.7 M     30.46 3 South Korea $1.49 B 50.2 M     29.68 4 France $1.60 B 65.8 M     24.32 5 Germany $1.30 B 80.6 M     16.13 6 Japan $1.88 B 127.2 M     14.78 7 Spain $675.7 M 46.6 M     14.50 8 Italy $840.0 M 59.9 M     14.02 9 Russia $1.30 B 143.7 M     9.05 10 Mexico $934.0 M 118.4 M     7.89 11 Brazil $831.1 M 201.0 M     4.13 12 China $3.60 B 1360.7 M     2.65 13 India $1.54 B 1241.1 M     1.24

 

 

Wow I love these lists, very good job

A few surprises here : The UK ahead of Japan, and now clearly ahead of France, the UK's ascension is quite crazy! I expected a tie-in between Mexico/Brazil but Mexico is definitely ahead and its growth is really superior, really interesting! South Korea is amazing as usual, being ahead of Germany, a  developed country with 30m inhabitants more than SK.

 

And that confirms what I said about Italy, it's quite weak compared to similar countries and per capita.

It's really strange because Italy's was a movie stronghold decades ago, along with the US and France.

[Hernan Gonzalez]

Wow I love these lists, very good job

A few surprises here : The UK ahead of Japan, and now clearly ahead of France, the UK's ascension is quite crazy! I expected a tie-in between Mexico/Brazil but Mexico is definitely ahead and its growth is really superior, really interesting! South Korea is amazing as usual, being ahead of Germany, a  developed country with 30m inhabitants more than SK.

 

And that confirms what I said about Italy, it's quite weak compared to similar countries and per capita.

It's really strange because Italy's was a movie stronghold decades ago, along with the US and France.

I've found it on screendaily.com last month and saved it! It is very interesting!! 

 

I think the crisis hit Italy and Spain harder than the rest of the big european markets 

[BadAtGender]

To add the US to the chart, 2013 had a gross of 10222.9m and with a population of 317.6m that gives a per capita of $34.39.

 

What's neat about this is if we can then get an average ticket price in each country, we can come to estimates of how many movies per person that covers. Australia leads the per capita list pretty comfortably. Is it because Australians are a really strong movie-going population, or is it that tickets are more expensive there?

 

Maybe this should be a new topic.

[Omni]

It's just unbelievable to see such a weak market. France's market, with a similar population (66m in France, 61m in Italy) is 2.5 times bigger than Italy's.

Part of it is due to the weakness of the southern part of the country: people there go to the cinema with a much lower frequency. Moreover, and related to that, there's the TC factor: France has got twice the amount of theatres despite a similar population. Theatres tend to be just in the bigger towns, so many are forced to bear an hour of driving to see a film (for example, seeing Frozen three times required me about 120Kms). We can also add the general lack of cinematographic culture permeating Italians: they implicity see the world of cinema as an 'offshoot of television', and therefore multiple views and strong late legs just don't belong to their world.

 

 apart from rare exceptions, the Italian market produces large numbers only during the christmas and new year holidays (23 december to 6 january)

That's not true. In fact, among the top Hollywood movies, many (most!) are not December releases.

 

3 Alice In Wonderland € 30.39 M > spring

4 Ice Age 3 € 29.69 M > late August

5 The Da Vinci Code € 28.68 M > late Spring

8 LOTR: The Return of the King € 22.83 M > late January

9 Harry Potter 7 (Part 2) € 22.25 M > summer

10 Madagascar 3 € 21.91 M > late August

12 LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring € 21.43 M > mid-January

13 Madagascar € 21.20 M > late August

15 Shrek 2 € 20.85 M > late August

16 LOTR: The Two Towers € 20.55 M > mid-January

17 Shrek The Third € 20.24 M > late August

19 The Passion Of The Christ € 19.94 M > late winter

20 Pirates of the Caribbean 2 € 19.85 M > September

24 Spider Man 2 € 18.98 M > September

25 Angels & Demons € 18.70 M > late Spring

 

That's 15 out of 25 (15/23 if we exclude the two Cameron movies). And this year's phenomenon Sole a Catinelle was released on the last day of October.

So I'd say that

* late August is perfect for the DW/Fox animated junks

* a December release is good but it doesn't guarantee anything (sometimes, films just cannibalize each other) - tends to work well for Disney films, as long as they look 'traditional'

* summer has to be avoided like a plague

[edroger3]

Part of it is due to the weakness of the southern part of the country: people there go to the cinema with a much lower frequency. Moreover, and related to that, there's the TC factor: France has got twice the amount of theatres despite a similar population. Theatres tend to be just in the bigger towns, so many are forced to bear an hour of driving to see a film (for example, seeing Frozen three times required me about 120Kms). We can also add the general lack of cinematographic culture permeating Italians: they implicity see the world of cinema as an 'offshoot of television', and therefore multiple views and strong late legs just don't belong to their world.

 

That's not true. In fact, among the top Hollywood movies, many (most!) are not December releases.

 

3 Alice In Wonderland € 30.39 M > spring

4 Ice Age 3 € 29.69 M > late August

5 The Da Vinci Code € 28.68 M > late Spring

8 LOTR: The Return of the King € 22.83 M > late January

9 Harry Potter 7 (Part 2) € 22.25 M > summer

10 Madagascar 3 € 21.91 M > late August

12 LOTR: The Fellowship of the Ring € 21.43 M > mid-January

13 Madagascar € 21.20 M > late August

15 Shrek 2 € 20.85 M > late August

16 LOTR: The Two Towers € 20.55 M > mid-January

17 Shrek The Third € 20.24 M > late August

19 The Passion Of The Christ € 19.94 M > late winter

20 Pirates of the Caribbean 2 € 19.85 M > September

24 Spider Man 2 € 18.98 M > September

25 Angels & Demons € 18.70 M > late Spring

 

That's 15 out of 25 (15/23 if we exclude the two Cameron movies). And this year's phenomenon Sole a Catinelle was released on the last day of October.

So I'd say that

* late August is perfect for the DW/Fox animated junks

* a December release is good but it doesn't guarantee anything (sometimes, films just cannibalize each other) - tends to work well for Disney films, as long as they look 'traditional'

* summer has to be avoided like a plague

 

I was not talking about a single movie, but the total number of spectators: the number of tickets sold in the four weeks between December and January, according to official data provided by SIAE, are around 20% of the entire year. and for this reason the films that have a guaranteed success are scheduled in periods where there is less competition. For example, "Sole a Catinelle" probably would have realized a less gain if it had come in December.

 

Another example: Frozen  boxoffice from 22 december to 6 january: USA 27% of total (now yet running) vs ITALY 73% of total

(now out of run)

 

I agree with you regarding the summer

 

sorry for some of my eventual inaccuracy (I always try to collect data from certain sources), and especially for my awful English

 

(per Omni: se, come immagino, sei italiano, scusa per il mio inglese peggiore di quello di google traduttore)

Edited March 6, 2014 by edroger

[Tower]

To add the US to the chart, 2013 had a gross of 10222.9m and with a population of 317.6m that gives a per capita of $34.39.

 

What's neat about this is if we can then get an average ticket price in each country, we can come to estimates of how many movies per person that covers. Australia leads the per capita list pretty comfortably. Is it because Australians are a really strong movie-going population, or is it that tickets are more expensive there?

 

Maybe this should be a new topic.

 

The DOM gross includes Canada so the population should be: 317.6+35.2=352.8

10922.9/352.8= $30.96

[BadAtGender]

The DOM gross includes Canada so the population should be: 317.6+35.2=352.8

10922.9/352.8= $30.96

 

Oh, right. You are correct.

[lab276]

Dollars are useless, look at average attendance.South Korea 4.2665DOM 3.8242Australia 3.5407France 2.9196United Kingdom 2.5839Italy 1.7515Germany 1.6172Spain 1.5643Japan 1.2242

[Tower]

Dollars are useless, look at average attendance.South Korea 4.2665DOM 3.8242Australia 3.5407France 2.9196United Kingdom 2.5839Italy 1.7515Germany 1.6172Spain 1.5643Japan 1.2242

 

Where is that from?

[lab276]

Where is that from?

You mean sources? From various places, most European countries are here: http://www.obs.coe.int/-/pr-berlinale-2014?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.obs.coe.int%2Fpress%2Findividual-press-releases%2F2014%3Fp_p_id%3D101_INSTANCE_AboWabb2yPCc%26p_p_lifecycle%3D0%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-1%26p_p_col_pos%3D2%26p_p_col_count%3D3#p_101_INSTANCE_AboWabb2yPCc DOM from BOM, South Korea from http://www.kobis.or.kr/kobis/business/stat/them/findMonthlyTotalList.do Japan from http://www.eiren.org/statistics_e/index.html Australia confirmed by Rth. Population from Google or from the country's statistics.

[Tower]

You mean sources? From various places, most European countries are here: http://www.obs.coe.int/-/pr-berlinale-2014?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.obs.coe.int%2Fpress%2Findividual-press-releases%2F2014%3Fp_p_id%3D101_INSTANCE_AboWabb2yPCc%26p_p_lifecycle%3D0%26p_p_state%3Dnormal%26p_p_mode%3Dview%26p_p_col_id%3Dcolumn-1%26p_p_col_pos%3D2%26p_p_col_count%3D3#p_101_INSTANCE_AboWabb2yPCc DOM from BOM, South Korea from http://www.kobis.or.kr/kobis/business/stat/them/findMonthlyTotalList.do Japan from http://www.eiren.org/statistics_e/index.html Australia confirmed by Rth.Population from Google or from the country's statistics.

 

Thanks 

[Hernan Gonzalez]

Can you imagine a country with China's population, South Korea's attendance and Norwegian prices!!! ;-)

[Omni]

I was not talking about a single movie, but the total number of spectators: the number of tickets sold in the four weeks between December and January, according to official data provided by SIAE, are around 20% of the entire year. and for this reason the films that have a guaranteed success are scheduled in periods where there is less competition. For example, "Sole a Catinelle" probably would have realized a less gain if it had come in December.

 

Another example: Frozen  boxoffice from 22 december to 6 january: USA 27% of total (now yet running) vs ITALY 73% of total

(now out of run)

 

I agree with you regarding the summer

 

sorry for some of my eventual inaccuracy (I always try to collect data from certain sources), and especially for my awful English

 

(per Omni: se, come immagino, sei italiano, scusa per il mio inglese peggiore di quello di google traduttore)

Oh, I missed your point then. Yes, Christmas is definitely the time of the year where the number of tickets sold experiences an insane jump. Theatres are always packed, even in the afternoon.

 

(Ma figurati, anzi mi pare che il tuo inglese sia buono. E comunque è una lingua che mi ripugna, preferirei di gran lunga scrivere in francese...)

[edroger3]

italy box office  Thursday 6 march by Cinetel

 

in Italy the new releases are anticipated to Thursday

 

 

1-new 300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE USA warner bros italia s.p.a.  € 355.534 - adm 46.973

2-new ALLACCIATE LE CINTURE ITA 01 distribution  € 143.191 - adm 23.797

3 LA BELLA E LA BESTIA (LA BELLE ET LA BETE) FRA notorious pict. s.p.a.  € 120.021- adm 21.401

4 12 ANNI SCHIAVO (12 YEARS A SLAVE) USA bim distrib. s.r.l.  € 97.210- adm 17.565

5 UNA DONNA PER AMICA ITA warner bros italia s.p.a.  € 72.140- adm 13.029

6 SOTTO UNA BUONA STELLA ITA filmauro/universal  € 45.231- adm 8.198

7-new TARZAN - 3D DEU medusa film s.p.a.  € 30.679- adm 4.949

8 POMPEI - 3D (POMPEII) CAN 01 distribution  € 28.324- adm 4.545

9-new LA MOSSA DEL PINGUINO ITA videa-cde s.p.a.  € 27.250- adm 4.425

10 SNOWPIERCER KOR koch media s.r.l.  € 23.340- adm 4.053

 

good start for 300

 

 

 

the lego movie is already out of the top 10 and probably will not exceed 500,000 admissions at the end of the run. (frozen near 3,000,000 admissions)

Edited March 8, 2014 by edroger

[Peeta Tong Karanasios]

italy box office  Thursday 6 march by Cinetel

 

in Italy the new releases are anticipated to Thursday

 

 

1-new 300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE USA warner bros italia s.p.a.  € 355.534 - adm 46.973

2-new ALLACCIATE LE CINTURE ITA 01 distribution  € 143.191 - adm 23.797

3 LA BELLA E LA BESTIA (LA BELLE ET LA BETE) FRA notorious pict. s.p.a.  € 120.021- adm 21.401

4 12 ANNI SCHIAVO (12 YEARS A SLAVE) USA bim distrib. s.r.l.  € 97.210- adm 17.565

5 UNA DONNA PER AMICA ITA warner bros italia s.p.a.  € 72.140- adm 13.029

6 SOTTO UNA BUONA STELLA ITA filmauro/universal  € 45.231- adm 8.198

7-new TARZAN - 3D DEU medusa film s.p.a.  € 30.679- adm 4.949

8 POMPEI - 3D (POMPEII) CAN 01 distribution  € 28.324- adm 4.545

9-new LA MOSSA DEL PINGUINO ITA videa-cde s.p.a.  € 27.250- adm 4.425

10 SNOWPIERCER KOR koch media s.r.l.  € 23.340- adm 4.053

 

good start for 300

 

the lego movie is already out of the top 10 and probably will not exceed 500,000 admissions at the end of the run. (frozen near 3,000,000 admissions)

How much do you think La belle et la bete can do?

[Peeta Tong Karanasios]

How much do you think La belle et la bete can do?

In thursday it just had a drop of 22% from last one

It will probably be like belle et sebastien with 1m admissions +

[Peeta Tong Karanasios]

Actually in its first 7 days it had 385k admissions