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1 hour ago, edroger3 said:

Thursday 19

 

SW9 is roughly on par with SW8. A couple of new titles released yesterday are killing F2 (by now), among others 2 "big" italians: the new Pinocchio version by Matteo Garrone starring Oscar winner Roberto Benigni  and  La Dea Fortuna, drama by the italian/turkish Ferzan Ozpetek, that had see very good boxoffice results in past years. So the competition is strong coming to holidays. That happens because on first of January will be released the new work of Checco Zalone, (the 60M€+ man) that in term of boxoffice should be (or is waiting to be) the italian version of first Frozen japanese run, killing all other movies. We'll see.

 

Wow, does that mean Joker had a higher second-day than The Rise of Skywalker? As I believe on the 4th of October it made 1.232.535 - I'm just trying to gauge the numbers

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46 minutes ago, Bart Allen said:

 

Wow, does that mean Joker had a higher second-day than The Rise of Skywalker? As I believe on the 4th of October it made 1.232.535 -  I'm just trying to gauge the numbers

Joker 2nd day was a Friday. Friday is bigger than Thrusday overall.  In any case, with this kind of competition, I don't think SW does that number today. Maybe Saturday.

 

In opening week, wed and thr numbers are pretty useless here, unless they are holidays (like Endgame) or school-out in case of children-oriented movies (like TLK).  So the gold standard for a classic opening is: "no words until Sunday".

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1 hour ago, edroger3 said:

Joker 2nd day was a Friday. Friday is bigger than Thrusday overall.  In any case, with this kind of competition, I don't think SW does that number today. Maybe Saturday.

 

In opening week, wed and thr numbers are pretty useless here, unless they are holidays (like Endgame) or school-out in case of children-oriented movies (like TLK).  So the gold standard for a classic opening is: "no words until Sunday".

Interesting, very interesting!

 

Yeah, Joker's opening week:

Thursday: 148.766 - €1.033.369

Friday: 175.274 - €1.232.535

Saturday: 280.797 - €2.113.016

Sunday: 244.680 - €1.828.475

 

As you said earlier for Joker, 1033-1232-2113-1885=6263

 

Rise of Skywalker's opening week:

Wednesday: 147.365 €1.136.493

Thursday: 238.897 - €1.829.597 

Friday:

Saturday:

Sunday:

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36 minutes ago, edroger3 said:

 

Oooo the Wednesday numbers aren't in for TROS?

 

Correction Wednesday was: 147.365 €1.136.493

 

But what does it mean that Joker got opened to 148.766 - €1.033.369? Does that mean more people went to the opening-day of Joker? Are you still thinking TROS won't make more in its 4-days than Joker's 4-days?

 

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2 hours ago, Bart Allen said:

Oooo the Wednesday numbers aren't in for TROS?

 

Correction Wednesday was: 147.365 €1.136.493

 

But what does it mean that Joker got opened to 148.766 - €1.033.369? Does that mean more people went to the opening-day of Joker? Are you still thinking TROS won't make more in its 4-days than Joker's 4-days?

 

These are the numbers, Open Excel and do math.

 

 

Opening

WED

THR

FRI

SAT

SUN

Wkd

Week

Episode VII

16/12/2015

  1.854  

     922  

  1.190  

  1.984  

  2.443  

   6.539  

     8.305  

Episode VIII

13/12/2017

  1.260  

     602  

     828  

  1.584  

  1.591  

   4.605  

     5.865  

Episode IX

18/12/2019

  1.184  

     645  

 

 

 

      645  

     1.829  

Av.Endgame

24/04/2019

  5.167  

  3.848  

  2.633  

  2.683  

  2.962  

 12.126  

   17.293  

Joker

03/10/2019

 

  1.033  

  1.242  

  2.113  

  1.885  

   6.273  

     6.273  

 

I think (after see it):

 

SW9 finish well under Joker.

 

SW7/8/9 have been/are unnecessary. Only Disney showing muscles.

 

Although I only watch movies that have passed the Bechdel test, having a female main character have been the worst choice possible, especially if is that character and that actress.

 

Spoiler

I am dreaming a Frozen mash-up with Elsa&Anna Jedi sisters at the opposite sides of the force (obviously with happy ending).

 

 

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, edroger3 said:

These are the numbers, Open Excel and do math.

 

 

Opening

WED

THR

FRI

SAT

SUN

Wkd

Week

Episode VII

16/12/2015

  1.854  

     922  

  1.190  

  1.984  

  2.443  

   6.539  

     8.305  

Episode VIII

13/12/2017

  1.260  

     602  

     828  

  1.584  

  1.591  

   4.605  

     5.865  

Episode IX

18/12/2019

  1.184  

     645  

 

 

 

      645  

     1.829  

Av.Endgame

24/04/2019

  5.167  

  3.848  

  2.633  

  2.683  

  2.962  

 12.126  

   17.293  

Joker

03/10/2019

 

  1.033  

  1.242  

  2.113  

  1.885  

   6.273  

     6.273  

 

I think (after see it):

 

SW9 finish well under Joker.

 

SW7/8/9 have been/are unnecessary. Only Disney showing muscles.

 

Although I only watch movies that have passed the Bechdel test, having a female main character have been the worst choice possible, especially if is that character and that actress.

 

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Thanks SOOOO much :3

 

Wait, so Rise of Skywalker made 645 on Thursday? Wasn't sure what that meant ~

 

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4 hours ago, Bart Allen said:

Rise of Skywalker's opening week:

Wednesday: 147.365 €1.136.493

Thursday: 238.897 - €1.829.597 

Friday:

Saturday:

Sunday:

10 minutes ago, Bart Allen said:

Thanks SOOOO much :3

 

Wait, so Rise of Skywalker made 645 on Thursday? Wasn't sure what that meant ~

 

Yes, you posted the cumulative for Thursday ;)

 

44 minutes ago, edroger3 said:

Although I only watch movies that have passed the Bechdel test, having a female main character have been the worst choice possible, especially if is that character and that actress.

 

That test is a great tool, especially for the filmmakers themselves to think about there movies from another perspective. But out of context it's confusing sometimes as it has errors when there's just a man and a woman or two men starring in a movie (like the lighthouse that obviously can't have two females talking about anything than a man).

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6 minutes ago, Aristis said:

Yes, you posted the cumulative for Thursday ;)

Wait, so technically TROS may not have made 238.897 - €1.829.597 on Thursday? :3

 

Im confused with the box-office terminology at this point lol ~

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13 minutes ago, Bart Allen said:

Wait, so technically TROS may not have made 238.897 - €1.829.597 on Thursday? :3

 

Im confused with the box-office terminology at this point lol ~

It has made that up to Thursday:

 

Wed 1,184M / 1,184M total

Thu 645k (-45%) 1,829M total

 

If that's not what you meant I'm confused now :D

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6 minutes ago, Aristis said:

Yes, you posted the cumulative for Thursday ;)

 

That test is a great tool, especially for the filmmakers themselves to think about there movies from another perspective. But out of context it's confusing sometimes as it has errors when there's just a man and a woman or two men starring in a movie (like the lighthouse that obviously can't have two females talking about anything than a man).

I agree. Obviously isn't true that to have a leading female character automatically means a good movie or vice-versa. The true lesson of Ms Bedchel is that the female/female relationships should have a mayor impact in screenplays. 

 

Spoiler

Out of cinemas,  the CW new "Batwoman" (part of the Arrow-verse) have been criticized due the strong Bedchel-ization (and LGBT questions, too). In my opinion the relationship between the Bat-girl and her evil (presumed) twin sister is one of the better things ever seen in years in tv. At the same time, also in my opinion, Rey of SW (the character, her background, her relationships and the actress in itself) is totally a fail, the true fail of the entire new saga. 

 

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53 minutes ago, Bart Allen said:

HOLY F@$&!

 

Joker blasted it - WOW *faints*

 

Thanks for clarifying, Aristis :3

Why do you keep fixating on this Joker comparison and get surprised that Joker is winning when Joker made much more than The Last Jedi and even beat The Force Awakens? Once Joker made what it made TROS never stood a chance, making these daily comparisons pointless.

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19 minutes ago, Tower said:

Why do you keep fixating on this Joker comparison and get surprised that Joker is winning when Joker made much more than The Last Jedi and even beat The Force Awakens? Once Joker made what it made TROS never stood a chance, making these daily comparisons pointless.

Because it's utterly baffling!

 

Ask yourself this: What if someone told you in January this year that Joker would become the first R-rated film to hit a billion, out-gross many of the MCU films throughout Europe and Asia, including 3/4 Avengers films (or if not, come incredibly close and setting box-office records), surpass The Last Jedi's international box-office, and that The Rise of Skywalker would possibly bomb in various markets and potentially make less than The Last Jedi?

 

The Rise of Skywalker was being touted as the last film of the Skywalker Saga, as well as sites bragging of it surpassing Endgame's presale records on Atom and Fandango, so on and so forth ~ I have to savour the moment, Tower 😂❤️

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Friday 20

 

SW9 still under SW8. Low numbers overall.

 

      Opening     WED     THR       FRI      SAT     SUN     Wkd     Week
Episode VII 16/12/2015   1.854        922     1.190     1.984     2.443      6.539        8.305  
Episode VIII 13/12/2017   1.260        602        828     1.584     1.591      4.605        5.865  
Episode IX 18/12/2019   1.184        651        718          1.369        2.553  
Av.Endgame 24/04/2019   5.167     3.848     2.633     2.683     2.962    12.126      17.293  
Joker 03/10/2019     1.033     1.242     2.113     1.885      6.273        6.273  

 

1 STAR WARS: L'ASCESA DI SKYWALKER (STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER) 18/12/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 718.296 95.864 € 2.553.043 335.535
2 PINOCCHIO 19/12/2019 ITA 01 DISTRIBUTION € 343.402 55.224 € 621.426 100.233
3 IL PRIMO NATALE 12/12/2019 ITA MEDUSA FILM S.P.A. € 261.473 42.699 € 4.579.282 743.440
4 LA DEA FORTUNA 19/12/2019 ITA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 193.969 29.583 € 358.899 55.708
5 LAST CHRISTMAS 19/12/2019 GBR UNIVERSAL S.R.L. € 107.665 16.121 € 202.732 30.881
6 FROZEN II - IL SEGRETO DI ARENDELLE (FROZEN II) 27/11/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 89.362 14.204 € 15.422.411 2.407.389
7 CENA CON DELITTO - KNIVES OUT 05/12/2019 USA 01 DISTRIBUTION € 68.194 10.090 € 2.898.528 454.834
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2 minutes ago, edroger3 said:

Friday 20

 

SW9 still under SW8. Low numbers overall.

 

      Opening     WED     THR       FRI      SAT     SUN     Wkd     Week
Episode VII 16/12/2015   1.854        922     1.190     1.984     2.443      6.539        8.305  
Episode VIII 13/12/2017   1.260        602        828     1.584     1.591      4.605        5.865  
Episode IX 18/12/2019   1.184        651        718          1.369        2.553  
Av.Endgame 24/04/2019   5.167     3.848     2.633     2.683     2.962    12.126      17.293  
Joker 03/10/2019     1.033     1.242     2.113     1.885      6.273        6.273  

 

1 STAR WARS: L'ASCESA DI SKYWALKER (STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER) 18/12/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 718.296 95.864 € 2.553.043 335.535
2 PINOCCHIO 19/12/2019 ITA 01 DISTRIBUTION € 343.402 55.224 € 621.426 100.233
3 IL PRIMO NATALE 12/12/2019 ITA MEDUSA FILM S.P.A. € 261.473 42.699 € 4.579.282 743.440
4 LA DEA FORTUNA 19/12/2019 ITA WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A. € 193.969 29.583 € 358.899 55.708
5 LAST CHRISTMAS 19/12/2019 GBR UNIVERSAL S.R.L. € 107.665 16.121 € 202.732 30.881
6 FROZEN II - IL SEGRETO DI ARENDELLE (FROZEN II) 27/11/2019 USA WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA € 89.362 14.204 € 15.422.411 2.407.389
7 CENA CON DELITTO - KNIVES OUT 05/12/2019 USA 01 DISTRIBUTION € 68.194 10.090 € 2.898.528 454.834

My boy Joker isn't failing me now - but based on @Fullbuster's numbers it looks like The Rise of Skywalker won't pass The Last Jedi's $19 in Brazil, just for a point of conflation with Italy ~ With these drops it seems as if it won't pass $720 or even $700 overseas, so North America has to play a very big role ~

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20 hours ago, Bart Allen said:

Because it's utterly baffling!

 

Ask yourself this: What if someone told you in January this year that Joker would become the first R-rated film to hit a billion, out-gross many of the MCU films throughout Europe and Asia, including 3/4 Avengers films (or if not, come incredibly close and setting box-office records), surpass The Last Jedi's international box-office, and that The Rise of Skywalker would possibly bomb in various markets and potentially make less than The Last Jedi?

 

The Rise of Skywalker was being touted as the last film of the Skywalker Saga, as well as sites bragging of it surpassing Endgame's presale records on Atom and Fandango, so on and so forth ~ I have to savour the moment, Tower 😂❤️

Dude these comparisons are inane, I can't force you to stop, but these misguided comparisons are just that, misguided. I understand if you're new to box office tracking, and if you are let me explain....

 

Star Wars films make 50% of their OS gross in only five territories, UK, Germany, France, Australia and Japan. Everywhere else SW films are B or C level blockbusters. Even a minor CBM flick will outgross SW in Asia and a B level blockbuster will outgross it in LatAm. SW makes 75%-80% of its money from those five territories plus domestic. No one, I repeat no one, on this site is/was surprised that Joker bested SW in LatAm (I've seen you posting in the Brazil and Mexico threads...). In fact, even before Joker broke out, all the experienced trackers on this site would have guessed that it would outearn SW films in Asia (ex Japan) and LatAm. This is not news..... Its like posting over and over again that Star Wars is only making 20m in China when a movie like Rampage or Skyscraper grossed 80m+ more. Certain movies do well in certain regions, SW movies are not blockbusters outside of their core markets.

 

If you want to act surprised, the only place where your comparison is any way justifiable is Italy. Now, SW flicks are also mediocre performers in Italy. Why? Italy is a weird market, it is quite different from the rest of Europe. Let me give you some examples. The Shape of Water and the Wrestler are both past Golden Lion Winners, and in both cases Italy was a top 3 OS market for them (where normally Italy rarely enters the top 10). Look at Shape of Water, a golden lion winner that made less than 200m WW, It made 50% more in Italy than Guardians of the Galaxy! In fact, it made as much money in Italy as Spain combined as Captain America Civil War! How incredible, who would have thought that the Shape of Water, which grossed under 200m worldwide, would make more money in Spain, and a comparable amount in Italy, as the 1.1Bn grosser MCU movie?! Again, this is not a surprise. Four quad blockbusters rarely break out in Italy, and when they do, its movies like Alice in Wonderland and the Lion King. You either have a movie with award-winning cache (Golden Lion in particular) or a Disney remake, not a Star Wars movie. Star Wars movies, with the exception of TFA, are just B-level blockbusters in Italy. 

 

So about your comments that TROS would "bomb" in various markets, let me just repeat one last time, it was always going to "bomb" in LatAm and Asia, and after Joker's performance in Italy and Spain, there was a 99.9999% chance it would outgross TROS by a significant margin in those territories. Given TLJ's performance in those regions, its not even that surprising that Joker beat it in Italy and Spain. 

If TROS underperforms Joker in any of its core markets (US, UK, France, Germany and Japan) then wow, that is a surprise. Now that you understand a little bit more about how the box office works, I hope I don't need to read a comment about Joker's outperformance of TROS in Asia/LatAm. I hope this all stemmed from a misunderstanding about box office dynamics, if your intent is simply to troll these threads, then more power to you keep on carrying on....

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Thanks @Justin4125 :3

 

Not trolling at all, I simply want to try and gauge where the international box-office where it may land in comparison, which is why we also used Endgame as well ~ I won't mention Mexico and India for obvious reasons ~ But I'll thank you for that super detailed post (which i do appreciate) :3

 

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