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[Sunny Max]

4 minutes ago, edroger3 said:

As at Today Joker had sold more tickets than Endgame.

 

AVENGERS: ENDGAME € 30.282.559 adm 4.098.421

JOKER                           € 28.834.579 adm 4.112.616

yeah .. Extra-ordinary achievement. TLK still leading by a good margin with 5.68 M adms 

[fabiopazzo2]

@Omni we need your update

[fabiopazzo2]

Easy over 6M on OD

[edroger3]

Wed 20 Nov

 

Pos.	Titolo	Prima Progr.	Nazione	Distribuzione	Incasso	Presenze	Incasso al 20/11/2019	Presenze al 20/11/2019
1	LE MANS '66 - LA GRANDE SFIDA (FORD V. FERRARI)	14/11/2019	USA	20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 128.618	22.702	€ 1.590.042	234.743
2	LE RAGAZZE DI WALL STREET (HUSTLERS)	07/11/2019	USA	LUCKY RED DISTRIB.	€ 89.676	16.741	€ 3.430.107	510.542
3	SONO SOLO FANTASMI	14/11/2019	ITA	MEDUSA FILM S.P.A.	€ 56.584	11.174	€ 976.626	155.022
4	IL GIORNO PIU' BELLO DEL MONDO	31/10/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 53.185	10.572	€ 5.887.655	920.981
5	PARASITE	07/11/2019	KOR	ACADEMY TWO DISTR. S.R.L.	€ 52.220	10.155	€ 1.095.968	172.391
6	JOKER	03/10/2019	USA	WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 37.738	6.649	€ 28.872.317	4.119.265
7	ZOMBIELAND - DOPPIO COLPO (ZOMBIELAND: DOUPLE TAP)	14/11/2019	USA	WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 37.650	6.975	€ 550.495	82.118
8	LA BELLE EPOQUE	07/11/2019	FRA	I WONDER PICTURES S.R.L.	€ 37.056	6.990	€ 960.114	151.138
9	MALEFICENT - SIGNORA DEL MALE (MALEFICENT - MISTRESS OF EVIL)	17/10/2019	USA	WALT DISNEY S.M.P. ITALIA	€ 22.345	4.102	€ 12.112.883	1.831.764
10	LA FAMIGLIA ADDAMS (THE ADDAMS FAMILY)	31/10/2019	USA	EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A.	€ 20.854	4.217	€ 5.856.313	918.179

[edroger3]

Tue 21 Nov

 

Joker out of top ten in its 50th day in release. Almost certain things: no 30M€ and no passing AE in €. 

 

Pos.	Titolo	Prima Progr.	Nazione	Distribuzione	Incasso	Presenze	Incasso al 21/11/2019	Presenze al 21/11/2019
1	CETTO C'E', SENZADUBBIAMENTE	21/11/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 257.317	39.920	€ 257.317	39.920
2	DEPECHE MODE: SPIRITS IN THE FOREST	21/11/2019	GBR	NEXO DIGITAL S.P.A.	€ 166.421	11.461	€ 166.541	11.469
3	L'UFFICIALE E LA SPIA (J'ACCUSE)	21/11/2019	FRA	01 DISTRIBUTION	€ 82.409	14.475	€ 82.409	14.475
4	LE MANS '66 - LA GRANDE SFIDA (FORD V. FERRARI)	14/11/2019	USA	20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 73.368	11.302	€ 1.665.233	246.375
5	LE RAGAZZE DI WALL STREET (HUSTLERS)	07/11/2019	USA	LUCKY RED DISTRIB.	€ 52.600	8.422	€ 3.483.392	519.083
6	COUNTDOWN	21/11/2019	USA	EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A.	€ 32.447	5.231	€ 32.447	5.231
7	IL GIORNO PIU' BELLO DEL MONDO	31/10/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 31.360	6.031	€ 5.919.414	927.084
8	PARASITE	07/11/2019	KOR	ACADEMY TWO DISTR. S.R.L.	€ 28.875	4.708	€ 1.126.389	177.375
9	SONO SOLO FANTASMI	14/11/2019	ITA	MEDUSA FILM S.P.A.	€ 24.757	4.394	€ 1.002.107	159.548
10	LA BELLE EPOQUE	07/11/2019	FRA	I WONDER PICTURES S.R.L.	€ 20.881	3.587	€ 982.213	154.965

[edroger3]

Fri 22 Nov

 

 

Pos.	Titolo	Prima Progr.	Nazione	Distribuzione	Incasso	Presenze	Incasso al 22/11/2019	Presenze al 22/11/2019
1	CETTO C'E', SENZADUBBIAMENTE	21/11/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 357.011	53.603	€ 618.505	94.214
2	DEPECHE MODE: SPIRITS IN THE FOREST	21/11/2019	GBR	NEXO DIGITAL S.P.A.	€ 156.653	10.858	€ 324.402	22.410
3	L'UFFICIALE E LA SPIA (J'ACCUSE)	21/11/2019	FRA	01 DISTRIBUTION	€ 149.778	24.588	€ 233.109	39.238
4	LE MANS '66 - LA GRANDE SFIDA (FORD V. FERRARI)	14/11/2019	USA	20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 111.879	16.308	€ 1.777.894	262.819
5	LE RAGAZZE DI WALL STREET (HUSTLERS)	07/11/2019	USA	LUCKY RED DISTRIB.	€ 95.883	14.109	€ 3.579.846	533.292
6	COUNTDOWN	21/11/2019	USA	EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A.	€ 59.743	8.869	€ 92.691	14.183
7	IL GIORNO PIU' BELLO DEL MONDO	31/10/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 45.488	8.260	€ 5.965.111	935.380
8	PARASITE	07/11/2019	KOR	ACADEMY TWO DISTR. S.R.L.	€ 43.386	6.711	€ 1.169.999	184.127
9	SONO SOLO FANTASMI	14/11/2019	ITA	MEDUSA FILM S.P.A.	€ 38.810	6.391	€ 1.041.386	166.023
10	JOKER	03/10/2019	USA	WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 38.263	5.280	€ 28.929.198	4.127.347

[edroger3]

Sat 23 Nov - No Frozen 2 here - 

 

Pos.	Titolo	Prima Progr.	Nazione	Distribuzione	Incasso	Presenze	Incasso al 23/11/2019	Presenze al 23/11/2019
1	CETTO C'E', SENZADUBBIAMENTE	21/11/2019	ITA	VISION DISTRIBUTION	€ 769.012	108.810	€ 1.390.646	203.297
2	L'UFFICIALE E LA SPIA (J'ACCUSE)	21/11/2019	FRA	01 DISTRIBUTION	€ 439.903	65.295	€ 674.120	104.714
3	LE MANS '66 - LA GRANDE SFIDA (FORD V. FERRARI)	14/11/2019	USA	20TH CENTURY FOX ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 253.925	34.756	€ 2.032.370	297.663
4	LE RAGAZZE DI WALL STREET (HUSTLERS)	07/11/2019	USA	LUCKY RED DISTRIB.	€ 224.159	30.507	€ 3.804.428	563.869
5	COUNTDOWN	21/11/2019	USA	EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A.	€ 155.500	21.335	€ 248.356	35.548
6	LA FAMIGLIA ADDAMS (THE ADDAMS FAMILY)	31/10/2019	USA	EAGLE PICTURES S.P.A.	€ 121.434	18.828	€ 6.014.919	943.807
7	SONO SOLO FANTASMI	14/11/2019	ITA	MEDUSA FILM S.P.A.	€ 101.562	15.252	€ 1.143.043	181.291
8	PARASITE	07/11/2019	KOR	ACADEMY TWO DISTR. S.R.L.	€ 101.284	14.518	€ 1.271.284	198.645
9	JOKER	03/10/2019	USA	WARNER BROS ITALIA S.P.A.	€ 97.293	12.501	€ 29.026.490	4.139.848
10	LA BELLE EPOQUE	07/11/2019	FRA	I WONDER PICTURES S.R.L.	€ 94.504	13.790	€ 1.114.676	174.929

[Omni]

Sorry everyone, personal troubles combined with diminishing interest in box office (f@ck imdb!) took me away from the site for awhile. Back for Frozen 2!

 

Quick update:

* Joker unfortunately had a huuuge post-Halloween drop (like every other movie btw), so Endgame is safe at #1 in the SH chart, unless the movie is re-released: it's at 29.11M after a 230K weekend, while Endgame stands at 30.28M; Joker did beat the Marvel movie in admissions though, 4.15M+ vs 4.10

* Hustlers did very well, it's at 4.00M after a 570K weekend, making the 5M mark reachable

* Maleficent will finish at 12.35/12.40M, it suffered the post-Halloween collpase too

* Overall box office in November kind of mirrored NA's situation, as the lead over 2018 has lowered from 15.50% to 14%; despite Frozen 2's opening I doubt the % improves by the end of this weekend, as last year we had Bohemian Rhapsody making 5.5M and Grinch getting almost 2 millions (and while F2 should definitely beat the former, Midway will definitely fail to beat the latter)

 

Frozen 2 opens in 2 days. Expecting 1M OD, 6M 4-day. Seeing it at 2:30pm.

[keysersoze123]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

Sorry everyone, personal troubles combined with diminishing interest in box office (f@ck imdb!) took me away from the site for awhile. Back for Frozen 2!

 

Quick update:

* Joker unfortunately had a huuuge post-Halloween drop (like every other movie btw), so Endgame is safe at #1 in the SH chart, unless the movie is re-released: it's at 29.11M after a 230K weekend, while Endgame stands at 30.28M; Joker did beat the Marvel movie in admissions though, 4.15M+ vs 4.10

* Hustlers did very well, it's at 4.00M after a 570K weekend, making the 5M mark reachable

* Maleficent will finish at 12.35/12.40M, it suffered the post-Halloween collpase too

* Overall box office in November kind of mirrored NA's situation, as the lead over 2018 has lowered from 15.50% to 14%; despite Frozen 2's opening I doubt the % improves by the end of this weekend, as last year we had Bohemian Rhapsody making 5.5M and Grinch getting almost 2 millions (and while F2 should definitely beat the former, Midway will definitely fail to beat the latter)

 

Frozen 2 opens in 2 days. Expecting 1M OD, 6M 4-day. Seeing it at 2:30pm.

Thank you @Omni i thought you would be excited for F2. Can it win the year or can SW9 win?

[Aristis]

4 hours ago, keysersoze123 said:

Thank you @Omni i thought you would be excited for F2. Can it win the year or can SW9 win?

TLK €37M >>>> SW7 €25M >> SW8 €15M

 

I don't think SW9 can overcome this huge gap between SW7 and TLK

[keysersoze123]

Thanks Aristis. I forgot how big TLK was in Italy.

[fabiopazzo2]

No way for SW. Fortunately TRS not have The competition of Zalone film until january First so 20/25M is on The table. 

[Omni]

There's an interesting fact about the Star Wars movies in Italy.

 

The old saga:

SW4 4.9M admissions

SW5 3.2M admissions

SW6 2.75M admissions

 

That's a 35% drop from #4 to #5 and a 15% drop from #5 to #6.

 

Now the prequels:

SW1 2.35M admissions

SW2 1.65M admissions

SW3 1.45M admissions

 

Means a 30% drop from #1 to #2 and a 10%+ drop from #2 to #3.

 

The new saga:

SW7 3.4M admissions

SW8 2.05M admissions

SW9 ???

 

Last Jedi dropped 40% from Force Awakens. If the pattern is respected, Skywalker will decrease by 15/20% from Jedi. Which is what I'm expecting the movie to do, as history can't be ignored. A total around Maleficent's (12.5M) is my guess.

[fabiopazzo2]

12,5M without competition ? Very disappointing if it happens

[Omni]

The theater I'm going to is giving Frozen 2 13 showtimes on a freaking average work/school day. That's almost as much as all the other Hollywood movies combined. We'll see how high it goes. It likely needs an 8+ 5-day weekend to have a solid chance to become the 4th (and last, theorically) movie of the year above 4M admissions. Close to 9M on the 4-day frame to possibly get a 30M or so finish, around Endgame and Joker.

 

Beauty and the Beast had an opening thursday of 845K, on its way to a 6.9M 4-day opening. Considering F2 should have a similar anticipation, its weekend IM shouldn't be much different than the LA, and given Thursday drops from OD tend to be around 30%, anything below a 1M debut today would be quite disappointing for Elsa & co.

[edroger3]

1 hour ago, Omni said:

The theater I'm going to is giving Frozen 2 13 showtimes on a freaking average work/school day. That's almost as much as all the other Hollywood movies combined. We'll see how high it goes. It likely needs an 8+ 5-day weekend to have a solid chance to become the 4th (and last, theorically) movie of the year above 4M admissions. Close to 9M on the 4-day frame to possibly get a 30M or so finish, around Endgame and Joker.

 

Beauty and the Beast had an opening thursday of 845K, on its way to a 6.9M 4-day opening. Considering F2 should have a similar anticipation, its weekend IM shouldn't be much different than the LA, and given Thursday drops from OD tend to be around 30%, anything below a 1M debut today would be quite disappointing for Elsa & co.

"The theater I'm going to is giving Frozen 2 13 showtimes on a freaking average work/school day."

 

I agree, but I have see my UCI had 5 (w/t/f) and 7(s/s) showtimes in presale until Sun 24 while today are 12 for all five days, maybe distributor have request for more space. In any case I don't see many tickets sold.

 

"Beauty and the Beast had an opening thursday of 845K, on its way to a 6.9M 4-day opening. Considering F2 should have a similar anticipation..."

 

Working in business involved (not directly in cinema industry), I can say anticipation for F2 (in term of estimates for merchandise sales) is 10x BatB (and way bigger than TLK). For example Frozen 1 DVD is still in weekly top ten after 5 years (see below). Toy stores  are on fire. Frozen items are everywhere. It is the atomic bomb of marketing.

 

However I dont' know how this can impact on ticket sales, if will open at 5, 10 or 20, because I follow cinema boxoffice only for fun. 

 

  Top Ten 11/17.11sett. 46/2019

Classifica titoli aggregati. Fonte: GfK.

• 1Spider-Man - Far from Home
• 2Avengers - Endgame
• 3Toy Story 4
• 4Aladdin - Live Action
• 5Frozen - Il Regno di Ghiaccio
• 6Harry Potter collezione completa
• 7The Walking dead - stagione 9
• 8Bohemian Rhapsody
• 9Il Re Leone
• 10X-Men - Dark Phoenix

 

Edited November 27, 2019 by edroger3

[Omni]

Saw Frozen 2 this afternoon. It was a bit odd to see the theater moderately busy at 2pm, a time of the day in which it is rare to even see theaters opened (showings usually start at 4/5pm due to school+work). It also felt weird to see so much merchandise sold in a theater that usually only gives away a few punko's here and there. Not to mention to see that litterary everyone was there for the same film.

 

The film was good, about on par with the first Frozen. I saw it laying under the Frozen blanket I won (presale prize), drinking from a Frozen glass and with Frozen clothes on. To hell my damn 34 years.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Omni

[edroger3]

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"I agree, but I have see my UCI had 5 (w/t/f) and 7(s/s) showtimes in presale until Sun 24 while today are 12 for all five days, maybe distributor have request for more space."

 

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"Saw Frozen 2 this afternoon. It was a bit odd to see the theater moderately busy at 2pm, a time of the day in which it is rare to even see theaters opened (showings usually start at 4/5pm due to school+work)"

 

It seems that some afternoon screenings especially Saturday and Sunday are already full, so some projections have been added on other smaller rooms before and after the afternoon but for all the five days. 

 

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it also felt weird to see so much merchandise sold in a theater that usually only gives away a few punko's here and there. 

 

I repeat again: Frozen is the atomic bomb of marketing/merchandising.

[RJ 95]

Frozen 2 Wednesday OD : € 755.660

Edited November 28, 2019 by RJ 95

[Omni]

Uhm...what happened?

 

This is just 25% better than Incredibles 2, which finished at 12.1M. And on par with Aladdin, which finished at 15.4M.

We'll see how it does over the weekend, but this OD is very disappointing.