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5 hours ago, Valonqar said:

Not really. GOT had a budget to rival movies and looked more epic than any movie since LOTR, and that was a TV show. TV screens are now the size of a wall. So home cinema is a reality. They'll just have to improve the way they make money of VOD. That's all. 

 

In terms of a cost per minute on the screen Game of Thrones isn't in the same league at all compared to big budget movies, it's not even close. If VOD becomes the new reality it will really force the movie industry to do more with far less resources $$$$. 

 

GOT average budget: early seasons $6 million per, final season $15 million/per. Assuming a 50 minute episode = $120,000/minute to $300,000/min.  

 

Avengers Infinity War budget $316 million /149 minutes = $2,120,805/minute

 

Avatar: $237,000,000 / 162 minutes = $1,462,962/minute

 

 

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On 6/29/2020 at 7:45 AM, Maggie said:

For those thinking this will break records next year...it's possible we may not have enough theaters for breaking records. Many will be bankrupt. Who knows if we have theaters at all.

Netflix hoarders may dream of this but many still want theaters. More consolidation will occur. Less choice.

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16 hours ago, Deuce66 said:

 

In terms of a cost per minute on the screen Game of Thrones isn't in the same league at all compared to big budget movies, it's not even close. If VOD becomes the new reality it will really force the movie industry to do more with far less resources $$$$. 

 

GOT average budget: early seasons $6 million per, final season $15 million/per. Assuming a 50 minute episode = $120,000/minute to $300,000/min.  

 

Avengers Infinity War budget $316 million /149 minutes = $2,120,805/minute

 

Avatar: $237,000,000 / 162 minutes = $1,462,962/minute

 

 

What a waste of money movies do.

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19 hours ago, Deuce66 said:

Avengers Infinity War budget $316 million

I don't think this is just production budget, this must include actors remunerations. @Barnack will have much better info on this.

 

Also if GoT is able to do such high production value with just $15mn, I assume excluding actor & creator's fee, than may be that's the way to do it. GoT Big 5 got $1mn per episode, there are others as well including Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Issac, etc. which would have been paid big.

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Day 100 of live action filming. Thank you to our entire cast and crew for your tireless commitment, dedication and support throughout the production. Also, a shout out to Iva Lenard for getting this picture before each cupcake was put in individual boxes for distribution. — at Stone Street Studios.

 

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6 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

What a waste of money movies do.

 

I can't disagree with this more...tell that to the millions who are are directly and indirectly employed by the movie industry. These big budget movies employ thousands of people.

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50 minutes ago, Deuce66 said:

 

I can't disagree with this more...tell that to the millions who are are directly and indirectly employed by the movie industry. These big budget movies employ thousands of people.

I would hope he was being sarcastic.

 

52 minutes ago, Deuce66 said:

 

Day 100 of live action filming. Thank you to our entire cast and crew for your tireless commitment, dedication and support throughout the production. Also, a shout out to Iva Lenard for getting this picture before each cupcake was put in individual boxes for distribution. — at Stone Street Studios.

 

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I want one

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8 hours ago, charlie Jatinder said:

I don't think this is just production budget, this must include actors remunerations. @Barnack will have much better info on this.

 

Production budget we see around do include above the line spending but do tend to exclude bonus occuring after the release, even first dollar ones.

 

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10068015/filing-history

 

If you include the total actors remunerations it is probably way above 500m by movie, they created one number company for both the avengers 3 movie part 1 and 2, so I am not sure how to split it between the 2, but for the combined has of june 30 the spending on those 2 movies were of:

 

In pound:

from june 30 2018 to june 30 2019: £293M

from june 30 2017 to june 30 2018: £430M

before june 30 2017: £247.5M

 

Total: 970.5 million pound

 

At the current exchange rate, that's 1.21 billion (like someone said at the time, there is a 1 billion movie being shot in Atlanta:

Dan T. Cathy, co-owner of Pinewood Atlanta, noted the films were "the largest film production ever with a [combined] $1 billion budget",[170])

 

was probably an bit of an exaggeration in a way and a downplaying of the cost in an other way at the same time.

 

Before the end of this year will probably have an other update from july 1 2019 to now how much went to the above the line players, but I have never seen in the UK filing history something that big, even the famous pirates of the caribbeans movies was a bit above 400 millions, this will end up significantly more than 50% of that by movie.

 

Before any bonus, Spider Man 3 net budget after the tax rebate was almost 300m, if something like EndGames with that cast is much cheaper than Spider Man 3 without even taking inflation into account, that would have been an really good deal.

 

 

 

 

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On 6/30/2020 at 7:50 PM, Deuce66 said:

 

GOT average budget: early seasons $6 million per, final season $15 million/per. Assuming a 50 minute episode = $120,000/minute to $300,000/min.  

For a multi-season TV show, even one as epic as GoT, you only have to build sets once and they can then be reused (although you could call that "doing more with less"). Also, it is hard to know for sure how much TV series really cost (much like movies).

 

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19 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said:

For a multi-season TV show, even one as epic as GoT, you only have to build sets once and they can then be reused (although you could call that "doing more with less"). Also, it is hard to know for sure how much TV series really cost (much like movies).

 

(Posting on 1000)

Big series seem to cost around 100M a season (say an NCIS of this world):

https://fastlaneng.louisianaeconomicdevelopment.com/public/search/ent

 

http://film.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2.0-CFC-Approved-Projects-List.pdf

Westworld season 3 went to 99.9 million in qualified expenditures in the state of CA alone.

 

Star trek picard 2 was 101.3 million in qualified expenditure (a bit over 10m by episode before the outside CA spending and the not qualified expense like the stars salary and so on), Lucifer season 4 was $125M.

 

Some rumors about GOT do feel strange (for example some salary rumors does not seem to match well with by episode budget rumors)

 

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9 hours ago, Deuce66 said:

 

I can't disagree with this more...tell that to the millions who are are directly and indirectly employed by the movie industry. These big budget movies employ thousands of people.

I don't think GoT is made by just 10-15 people. For starters there are 500+ characters in the series.

 

And of course a lot of extras. How could you Simply miss that simple a point. If GoT is able to give tha quality not seen in films, with just $15mn, what the fuck are movies doing. That was the point.

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5 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

How could you Simply miss that simple a point. If GoT is able to give tha quality not seen in films, with just $15mn,

Specially if you consider that the above the line for an episode could be getting close to 10m, that only $5M left to produce.

 

If those numbers are to be believed, that would make GOT season 8 episode costing half the episode of a series like Picard.......

 

One way GoT save a lot of money versus movies is having a lot but a lot of cheaper scene of people talking to each other making most of the show, often interior or recurring gardens and it is far to be some quality not seen in films.

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If those numbers are accurate, and that's a big if since pretty much all numbers for film/tv are fudged to some degree, that still doesn't mean that every episode cost that amount. 

 

Because the total budget is amortized over the course of the whole season, the reported numbers per episode are an average based on the total cost for the season.

 

So an episode with big battle scenes might cost $30-40 million, while the ones that are mostly dialogue can cost as little as $5-10 million.

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