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I have been against this movie from the start, but with an average rating of 8.57, I may actually go see it.

 

For comparison both 90%+ Dory and I2 were below 8...and both sucked. Coco and Inside Out were both above 8, with the latter nearly at 9.

 

 

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On 11/6/2014 at 5:13 PM, The Futurist said:

FUCK <YEAH> THAT.

That's better 😏

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Glad it made it to the 100 review mark with no rottens. Still a very impressive feat. 

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35 minutes ago, BK007 said:

I have been against this movie from the start, but with an average rating of 8.57, I may actually go see it.

 

For comparison both 90%+ Dory and I2 were below 8...and both sucked. Coco and Inside Out were both above 8, with the latter nearly at 9.

 

 

While I certainly don't think Dory and I2 sucked, I agree they were underwhelming. I2 fooled me the first time by being a lot of fun into not realizing how much of a blatant rehash of the first it is. They could have gone so many interesting directions with it, and instead they decided to remake the first movie. Their execution was on point, but it's still a rehash when the dust settles. Which of course is the issue with Dory as well, though that one was always an unnecessary sequel so it made more sense we got a rehash. 

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How many reviews did it take for Zootopia to get its first rotten? Depending on the number, perhaps that might the O/U on when TS4 gets it assuming it doesn't hold on to 100%.

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6 minutes ago, FlashMaster659 said:

How many reviews did it take for Zootopia to get its first rotten? Depending on the number, perhaps that might the O/U on when TS4 gets it assuming it doesn't hold on to 100%.

I'm trying to remember how many TS3 had before it got back-to-back rotten reviews. I thought it was around the mark TS4 is at now but maybe it was closer to 150?

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Wow, those reviews.

I think most critics were like me...very skeptical of this film because TS 3 was such a perfect end to the trilogy and did not see they could go anyplace new with this one,,,just recycle the old films, but apparently Pixar has brought something new to the table with this one.

As for no short cartoon, if Pixar felt they could not come up with a good one,I think they were wise not do one. A couple of the more recent ones felt really forced.....though I did like Bao. But, yeah, the quality of the shorts has been very hit and miss lately,and good for Pixar to say "If we can't come up with something that at least has the chance of being really good, we just won't do one".

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12 minutes ago, superduperm said:

I'm trying to remember how many TS3 had before it got back-to-back rotten reviews. I thought it was around the mark TS4 is at now but maybe it was closer to 150?

 

On 6/15/2019 at 12:32 PM, Porthos said:

IF RT's threading is any guide, and I don't think it necessarily is, around 130 reviews in:

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/toy_story_3/reviews?page=18

 

(interestingly enough, it has one more negative review right before it).

 

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FWIW, TS3 current has 8 "rotten" reviews.  As I scan them, at least a couple of them are 99.9995% guaranteed to drop a rotten on TS4 since they things they hate in TS3 are even more prevalent in TS4.

 

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I think the fact that so many were skeptical means this might be even better than reviews already suggest. I know a lot of people were going to be very hard to please with this.

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I also read that Pixar is not planning on doing any more sequels for a few years.

I sort of regret not getting another Incredible movies,  but though I  liked I2 just fine, I was a little disappointed they pretty much just rehashed the first film. It was much better then most rehashes but still not the film it could have been.

I wonder if Lassiter departing the company (one of the most highly placed victims of Harveygate) had something to do with this decision. I know that a number of people at Pixar felt it was losing it "Rolls Royce" image  with some inferior products like Cars 2 and some dissapointments like "The Good Dinosaur" and that Lassiter had sort of lost the way..not from a business point of view but from a filmmaking point of view.

I know one thing:one reason that TS4 apparently turned out so good was the people making it knew they had a great tradition to maintain, and even a just "pretty good" TS film would sort of stain the franchise. And it is a legendary franchise; it made Pixar a major player in Hollywood over night and Toy Story turned out to be the most revolutionary animated film since "Snow White" if Snow White proved the feature length animatation was a viable product,the first Toy Story changed the way animtation would be done;for better or worse within a decade of  Toy Story's release, cell animation was pretty much a thing of the past.

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7 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

I think the fact that so many were skeptical means this might be even better than reviews already suggest. I know a lot of people were going to be very hard to please with this.

I  being one of them. I was concerned it would have nothing really new to say, and just rehash the previous films, and be like "Monsters U" entertaining enough, "Pretty Good" but not anywhere near as good as the original. And Pretty Good is not anywhere near good enough for a Toy Story movie.

But the people at Emeryvills, perhaps for this very reason..the pressure was on...delivered.

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I think Lasseter’s scandal was probably the best thing that could have happened for Pixar going forward. Not getting into his personal life, the guy is legendary in terms of what he did for the animation industry, however he had definitely lost his way in his older age. I mean he genuinely believed that the Cars sequels were stories that needed to be told based on some of his quotes, and that’s pretty concerning right there. I think a lot of Pixar’s creative disappointments this decade have their roots in Lasseter’s guidance. It was time for him to go, scandal or not.

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12 hours ago, cannastop said:

No movie should have 100% on rotten tomatoes with 97 reviews.

I think it is surprising it is not more common (to have 0% or 100%), who is outthere thinking that Groundhog Days is not a 6/10 movie.

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9 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

I mean he genuinely believed that the Cars sequels were stories that needed to be told based on some of his quotes, and that’s pretty concerning right there.

Believed Car was one of the biggest merchandising sellers of all time was probably more what they thought.

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3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Believed Car was one of the biggest merchandising sellers of all time was probably more what they thought.

No no, Lasseter actually seemed convinced that Cars had several stories that “needed” to be told. 

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8 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

No no, Lasseter actually seemed convinced that Cars had several stories that “needed” to be told. 

Lasseter had talking Cars in mind way way before talking Toys.

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51 minutes ago, Barnack said:

I think it is surprising it is not more common (to have 0% or 100%), who is outthere thinking that Groundhog Days is not a 6/10 movie.

Huh? What does Groundhog Day have to do with it?

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1 hour ago, Barnack said:

Believed Car was one of the biggest merchandising sellers of all time was probably more what they thought.

Cars merch doesn't even sell that well anymore. People tend to just reference those big 2011 numbers. Nowadays that shit is rotting on the shelves.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/mattel-could-get-wrecked-by-weak-cars-3-toy-sales-2017-07-28

 

I genuinely believe that the shittiness of Cars 2 killed further interest in the franchise. The movies are doing worse and worse BO wise. And as I said above, the merch is doing less as well.

I'm also sick and goddamn tired of the dumbass myth that Pixar NEEDS to make Cars movies in order to fund their original movies. Pixar has been making movies for over a decade before Cars and they'll continue without it. I find it funny how Cars is "only made for da murch" yet fucking TOY Story isn't. TS3 brought in $2.8B in merch sales and I'm pretty sure Incredibles and Finding Whoever the Fuck did well too. Cars may be the highest selling one but I'm not sure why it's the only Pixar film that gets this scapegoat. The very same could be said for virtually ANY family film. 

This isn't really directed at you Barnack, just ranting.

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