Chasmmi's Winter Game - Discussion and Rules - SCORES ARE TALLIED RESULTS COUNTDOWN IN PROGRESS!!!

[chasmmi]

Results for week 14: (Grim gets 1000 bonus points for being less than 3k away on Bonus 2)

 

 

Name	Questions	Bonus	Places	Total
Spaghetti	25000	0	6000	31000
Avi	0	0	0	0
Darkelf	25000	5000	4000	34000
Grim	25000	6000	6000	37000
Iceroll	23000	0	6000	29000
Empire	0	0	0	0
Bcf26	25000	0	4000	29000
Laguy	27000	0	6000	33000
Geraldino	21000	0	4000	25000
Jajang	21000	0	6000	27000
Wrath	16000	0	2000	18000
Blankments	21,000	5000	4000	30000
Dajk	18000	0	4000	22000
Grey Ghost	21000	0	4000	25000
Chasmmi	16000	0	2000	18000
Alpha	0	0	0	0
Snoopy	0	0	0	0
Baumer	0	0	0	0
Punishment	0	0	0	0
The Panda	0	0	0	0
Filmovie	0	0	0	0
Mahnamahna	0	0	0	0
CmasterClay	0	0	0	0
Telemachos	0	0	0	0

[chasmmi]

Week 15:

 

1. Will taken open to more than $30M?  3000 YES

2. Will Taken break the January OW record? NO

3. Will Selma finish ahead of Hobbit 3? YES

4. Will Inherent Vice finish in the top 15?  YES

5. Will Woman in Black finish ahead of NATM?  NO

6. Will Hunger Games pass 330M total gross by the end of Sunday? 3000  NO

7. Will Annie have a PTA above $2500?  NO

8. Will The imitation Game stay in the top 8?  YES

 

9. Will Exodus stay above Penguins?  3000  NO

10. Will at least 11 of the top 12 increase on Saturday?  YES

11. Will Into the woods drop more than 36% on Sunday?  YES

12. Will Unbroken gross more than $10M for the weekend?  NO

13. Will Big Hero's total gross by the end of the weekend be closer to the total gross of Unbroken or Mockingjay (in dollars not %)? 3000  UNBROKEN

14.  Which film in the top 20 will have the biggest weekend drop?  EXODUS

15. Will people realise by the end of the weekend that they need to stop fucking with Liam Neeson?  NOT AFTER THAT OW

 

Bonus points:

 

10/15 2000 points

11/15 3000 points

12/15 4000 points

13/15 6000 points

14/15 8000 points

15/15 10000 points

 

Bonus Questions:

 

1. What will Tak3n gross on Saturday?  15.615M

2. What will Selma gross on Sunday? 2.837M

3. What will Woman in Black's weekend drop be?  69.1%

 

 

Placements:

 

2. SELMA

4. HOBBIT

7. NATM3

12. WILD

14. GAMBLER

16. PENGUINS

Edited January 14, 2015 by chasmmi

[chasmmi]

Results for week 15:

 

 

Name	Questions	Bonus	Places	Total
Spaghetti	0	0	0	0
Avi	0	0	0	0
Darkelf	18000	0	4000	22000
Grim	16000	5000	4000	25000
Iceroll	0	0	0	0
Empire	0	0	0	0
Bcf26	22,000	0	6,000	28,000
Laguy	20,000	0	4,000	24,000
Geraldino	14000	5000	6000	25000
Jajang	22000	5000	4000	31000
Wrath	18000	0	2000	20000
Blankments	16,000	0	4000	20000
Dajk	20000	0	2000	22000
Grey Ghost	0	0	0	0
Chasmmi	14000	0	6000	20000
Alpha	0	0	0	0
Snoopy	0	0	0	0
Baumer	0	0	0	0
Punishment	0	0	0	0
The Panda	0	0	0	0
Filmovie	0	0	0	0
Mahnamahna	0	0	0	0
CmasterClay	0	0	0	0
Telemachos	11000	0	0	11000

[chasmmi]

Weekly Makeups answers:

 

all usual deadlines, scores and so forth apply...

 

1. Will Selma open to over $20M?  3000  NO

2. Will Taken's Friday be higher than Unbroken's Weekend?  YES

3. Will Hobbit fall less than 48%?  NO

4. Will Inherent Vice gross more than $1.8M?  YES

5. Will Woman in Black increase on Saturday? YES

6. Will Hunger Games have a PTA above $2,220?  NO

7. Will Annie stay above Imitation Game?  3000  NO

8. Will The Wild stay in the top 12?  YES

 

9. Will Exodus have a bigger weekend drop than top five?  NO

10. Will Selma have a Friday increase above 10,000%?  NO

11. Will Into the Woods have a $4m day at any point over the weekend?  YES

12. Will Unbroken drop more than 37% on Sunday?  YES

13. Will Horrible Bosses' total gross by the end of the weekend be closer to the total gross of John Wick or Exodus (in dollars not %)? 2000  EXODUS

14.  Which film in the top 20 will have the lowest weekend drop (without increasing?  IMITATION GAME

15.  Will anybody have found General Tso's chicken by the end of the weekend?  THE SEARCH IS STILL A FOOT

 

Bonus points:

 

10/15 2000 points

11/15 3000 points

12/15 4000 points

13/15 6000 points

14/15 8000 points

15/15 10000 points

 

 

Placements:

 

3.  WOODS

5.  UNBROKEN

8.  ANNIE

11. VICE 

15. BIG EYES

19.  THEORY OF EVERYTHING

Edited January 14, 2015 by chasmmi

[chasmmi]

Make up results: (These will be added to week 15 totals when I post the weekly scores table)

 

 

Name	Questions	Bonus	Places	Total
Bcf	21000	0	4000	25000
LA Guy	13000	0	4000	17000
Tele	14000	0	0	14000

[chasmmi]

Never added the SOTM 8 scores:

 

 

Name	SOTM 8
Dajk	6000
Geraldino	9000
The Panda	0
Grim	4000
Wrath	2000
Laguy	11000
Bcf26	13000
Jajang	11000
Darkelf	25000
Grey Ghost	9000
Blankments	9000
Iceroll	25000
Films	0
Chasmmi	-1000
Telemachos	9000
Baumer	0
Punishment	0
Filmovie	0
Mahnamahna	0
CmasterClay	0
Spaghetti	25000
Alpha	0
Snoopy	0
Empire	11000
Avi	0

[chasmmi]

Also wish to add that La Guy and Tele each score 1000 points for make up SOTM, I'll add that to their SOTM 8 scores for my table (but its not added to the one above)

 

so SOTM total scores now look like:

 

 

Name	SOTM 1	SOTM 2	SOTM 4	SOTM 7	SOTM 8	TOTAL
Geraldino	3000	4000	10000	-1000	9000	25000
Dajk	8000	4000	13000	-8000	6000	23000
Darkelf	-7000	4000	24000	-24000	25000	22000
Iceroll	-15000	4000	6000	-2000	25000	18000
Laguy	2000	-10000	16000	-2000	11000	17000
The Panda	8000	8000	0	0	0	16000
Grim	8000	4000	1000	-1000	4000	16000
Bcf26	-7000	6000	4000	-4000	13000	12000
Wrath	-10000	3000	16000	0	2000	11000
Jajang	2000	5000	7000	-16000	11000	9000
Grey Ghost	-15000	6000	10000	-4000	9000	6000
Blankments	-10000	6000	10000	-12000	9000	3000
Spaghetti	-7000	-12000	0	-8000	25000	-2000
Telemachos	-15000	4000	0	-4000	9000	-6000
Films	3000	-10000	0	0	0	-7000
Chasmmi	-10000	5000	7000	-12000	-1000	-11000
Baumer	-15000	-10000	0	0	0	-25000
Punishment	-15000	-10000	0	0	0	-25000
Filmovie	-15000	-10000	0	0	0	-25000
Mahnamahna	-15000	-10000	0	0	0	-25000
CmasterClay	-15000	-10000	0	0	0	-25000
Alpha	-25000	-40000	0	0	0	-65000
Snoopy	-15000	4000	-2000	-64000	0	-77000
Empire	-25000	-12000	5000	-64000	11000	-85000
Avi	-25000	4000	-30000	-64000	0	-115000

[chasmmi]

Current weekly scores:

 

 

Name	Week 8	Week 9	Week 10	Week 11	Week 12	Week 13	Week 14	Week 15	Total
Grim	37000	27000	15000	32000	49000	17000	37000	25000	389000
Laguy	25000	10000	14000	29000	40000	0	33000	41000	359000
Darkelf	32000	21000	18000	24000	40000	23000	34000	22000	353000
Spaghetti	25000	15000	26000	24000	41000	22000	31000	0	336000
Iceroll	31000	26000	15000	18000	36000	22000	29000	0	335000
Dajk	25000	12000	15000	15000	27000	33000	22000	22000	320000
Jajang	23000	15000	14000	10000	36000	29000	27000	31000	320000
Bcf26	31000	14000	24000	13000	26000	0	29000	53000	312000
Wrath	32000	17000	15000	24000	26000	21000	18000	20000	310000
Geraldino	18000	7000	11000	17000	30000	20000	25000	25000	299000
Blankments	20000	12000	16000	13000	38000	20000	30000	20000	296000
Chasmmi	20000	17000	12000	17000	28000	22000	18000	20000	295000
Grey Ghost	0	21000	14000	15000	44000	22000	25000	0	282000
Empire	26000	13000	14000	12000	26000	0	0	0	232000
Avi	16000	10000	14000	0	30000	0	0	0	202000
Snoopy	21000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	142000
Telemachos	0	0	0	0	15000	14000	0	25000	87000
Alpha	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	52000
The Panda	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	50000
Filmovie	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	23000
Baumer	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	21000
Punishment	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	21000
Mahnamahna	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	10000
CmasterClay	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	10000

[chasmmi]

And the current total standings (this time actually including the before mentioned SOTM 1000k for tell and la)

 

 

Position	Name	Weekly Scores	SOTM	Pre-Season	Total
1	Grim	389000	16000	65000	470000
3	Laguy	359000	18000	56000	433000
2	Iceroll	335000	18000	62000	415000
7	Darkelf	353000	22000	35000	410000
5	Dajk	320000	23000	53000	396000
4	Grey Ghost	282000	6000	95000	383000
6	Chasmmi	295000	-11000	95000	379000
12	Bcf26	312000	12000	23000	347000
8	Spaghetti	336000	-2000	10000	344000
9	Geraldino	299000	25000	20000	344000
11	Blankments	296000	3000	35000	334000
10	Wrath	310000	11000	0	321000
13	Jajang	320000	9000	-60000	269000
14	Empire	232000	-85000	-10000	137000
15	Avi	202000	-115000	35000	122000
16	The Panda	50000	16000	45000	111000
18	Telemachos	87000	-5000	30000	112000
17	Filmovie	23000	-25000	80000	78000
19	Punishment	21000	-25000	80000	76000
20	Films	0	-7000	80000	73000
21	Snoopy	142000	-77000	-15000	50000
22	Alpha	52000	-65000	50000	37000
23	Mahnamahna	10000	-25000	20000	5000
24	Baumer	21000	-25000	-130000	-134000
25	CmasterClay	10000	-25000	-130000	-145000

[grim22]

I am personally just really hoping that American Sniper doesn't make 40M and this issue goes away on its own

 

Tracking has it opening at almost 50M, don't think the issue will be going away 

[chasmmi]

Tracking has it opening at almost 50M, don't think the issue will be going away 

 

I do live in Seoul though, I quick phone call and a hasty reedited and misleading trailer and I can maybe get that estimate to fall pronto

[JJ-8]

IMHO AS's WE should be counted as OW.

If someone asks you what Frozen OW is, what would you answer? 243k or 67M? I think you would answer 67M.

When they ask you what Frozen's multiplier was, would you answer x1646,1 or x6,0? I think you would answer x6,0.

BOM has both the limited opening WE and the Wide OPENING WE. Go to Frozen's page.

In fact, Frozen is in the November Top OPENING Chart:

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/month/?mo=11&p=.htm

The same for Lone Survivor:

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/month/?mo=01&p=.htm

I know that this isn't AS's first Weekend in theatres but this is the first Weekend that it will be in a remotely considerable number of theatres. This is the WE of the NationWide Release. This is its real OW.

And to this question " Will any month’s OW record be broken by the end of the game? (This is 3 day only)", I answered NO, at the time.

So I will lose points if it's Nationwide Opening is considered. But IMHO it should be considered in this question and in the Top 7 OW (as only Nationwide BH's release would have been considered in top 7 if there had been a limited release)

If this was the case then the top ow chart should have indicated the top 7 'wide' ow normal 3 day.

The rules were clear here. The top 7 ow chart reflected to the "FIRST" Sunday. Only exception was BH6 which was made clear pre game.

No controversies here. It's pretty clear which means we count the first weekend in theaters. Hence AS for game purposes made around 600k OW.

[JJ-8]

And the frozen analogy not so good as it would have been treated the same as Bh6.

[grim22]

And the frozen analogy not so good as it would have been treated the same as Bh6.

The BH6 rule was made due to Frozen, but safe to say that American Sniper potentially breaking the January OW and yet not being counted as one of the top 7 opening weekends just sounds wrong logically. Just saying that it needs to be treated the same way at both places, either it is a 600k weekend and the January OW record will not stand, or it is a 45M OW and it goes into the top 7 OWs. Last year there was no issue as Lone Survivor  which did similar to AS didn't reach the top 7 OWs as the movies were much stronger on opening. It is just illogical to treat it as 600k for one question and 45M for a different question.

[grim22]

Now of course, AS could open to "only" 38M and this whole discussion could be moot.

[JJ-8]

The BH6 rule was made due to Frozen, but safe to say that American Sniper potentially breaking the January OW and yet not being counted as one of the top 7 opening weekends just sounds wrong logically. Just saying that it needs to be treated the same way at both places, either it is a 600k weekend and the January OW record will not stand, or it is a 45M OW and it goes into the top 7 OWs. Last year there was no issue as Lone Survivor which did similar to AS didn't reach the top 7 OWs as the movies were much stronger on opening. It is just illogical to treat it as 600k for one question and 45M for a different question.

Except bh6 was identified before game started as the exception. The only excetption. I am pretty sure someone even queried the ruling and chas saying it's the first Sunday wether or not it's wide. I have a vague recollection of it...

[grim22]

Except bh6 was identified before game started as the exception. The only excetption. I am pretty sure someone even queried the ruling and chas saying it's the first Sunday wether or not it's wide. I have a vague recollection of it...

 

Then it should be considered as 600k even for the January OW question as there has been no clarification made there. Considering it 600k in one place and 50M in another when talking about the same movie is ridiculous. I am all for considering it as 50M in both places. The BH6 exception was the only one because no one saw this coming. I feel that a 50M wide opening weekend should be considered for the OW record and the top 7 OWs.

 

This rule should be made clearer next year for sure, but 2 different figures for the same movie in the same year feels wrong.

[chasmmi]

I do agree that it feels weird and I also agree that if given the responsibility to do this again next year, I will remember this weekend and alter the rules accordingly.

 

However for this year and this game I need to follow the rules of each question separately (even if they contradict themselves over the grand scheme of things)

 

The rule for OW was that its until the first Friday with the exception of any potential Disneyworld BH6 previews and as such AS has an opening weekend in the thousands.

 

The preseason question states if it breaks the record then its a yes and so if the weekend is reported as an offficial record breaking weekend, then that satisfies the criteria for this questions.

 

 

It's the same as how Hobbit has an opening weekend of 89M for this game, but yet did not break the December record of 84M as there are different criteria as to what constitutes an OW regarding each separate question.

 

 

I do promise though that this particular eventuality will not happen again if I run the winter game again   (I will also add a North Korea caveat rule too.)

[JJ-8]

well i don't think i remember a film opening in limited first and then pulling off such a massive weekend... while the rules are clear , i think next year we will need to account for situations like this.

 

(if we went on straight 3 day OW it's heading outright 2nd place (easily) for the season... who saw that coming ? )

[grim22]

well i don't think i remember a film opening in limited first and then pulling off such a massive weekend... while the rules are clear , i think next year we will need to account for situations like this.

 

(if we went on straight 3 day OW it's heading outright 2nd place (easily) for the season... who saw that coming ? )

 

Yup, somewhat hilarious that a 90M opener is being completely ignored by the game.