redfirebird2008 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It's just a knee-jerk reaction to the Interstellar WWW thread. Nah. There was a WWW thread for IM2 as well. Anything that "under-performs" is subject to the infamous WWW label. In truth what always goes wrong is people on these forums getting too hyped up for movies and not seeing the forest for the trees. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) I haven't seen Whiplash yet, although I've been meaning to. Hopefully it comes to the Catamount theater. I've been told that Simmons and Teller are fantastic. I did! I said it was great in a couple different threads. I've got it as my #4 movie of the year right now. #1 - Grand Budapest #2 - Boyhood #3 - ?? #4 - Whiplash #5 - GotG I loved GotG but I'm not particularly happy to have it on this list, and I'm leaving #3 blank for now because nothing really deserves it. If you put a gun to my head I'd bump Whiplash up to #3 and put Chef in at #5 but that would feel like cheating. I haven't seen Birdman, but Mrs Wrath gave it mixed reviews, and I haven't seen Interstellar yet (and I'm hoping I'll love it but we'll see). I'm kinda hoping that Interstellar ends up being worth putting on the list and the final Hobbit installment opens with an apology for trolling us on the first two. The 3rd one has all the awesomeness of the entire trilogy, and between the two of them they push GotG off the list. Edited November 24, 2014 by Wrath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Whiplash is a must see film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Nah. There was a WWW thread for IM2 as well. Anything that "under-performs" is subject to the infamous WWW label. In truth what always goes wrong is people on these forums getting too hyped up for movies and not seeing the forest for the trees. I remember ST2 last year as well. All the $300 and $400 m predicts and #2 and #3 for the year predicts. It didnt even finish in the top 10 What was everyones basis: "its a sequel from a movie that got 95% on RT, and sequels always increase." That was probably the biggest example of wishful thinking that ive seen on BOF. Edited November 24, 2014 by Jandrew In The Mist 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Nah. There was a WWW thread for IM2 as well. Anything that "under-performs" is subject to the infamous WWW label. In truth what always goes wrong is people on these forums getting too hyped up for movies and not seeing the forest for the trees. Uh, yeah I know, there was a WWW thread for STiD as well and so on. I'm just saying that there is some kind of knee-jerk reaction fueling it, waiting at the corner with trepidation to deem a movie a flop and that it went wrong even before the friday estimations rolled out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Uh, yeah I know, there was a WWW thread for STiD as well and so on. I'm just saying that there is some kind of knee-jerk reaction fueling it, waiting at the corner with trepidation to deem a movie a flop and that it went wrong even before the friday estimations rolled out. That's because even the Thursday number was a huge drop from Catching Fire. It's a letdown for anyone who follows the box office, but nothing really went wrong. It's still making a ton of cash, just not reaching quite the audience of Catching Fire. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I remember ST2 last year as well. All the $300 and $400 m predicts and #2 and #3 for the year predicts. It didnt even finish in the top 10 What was everyones basis: "its a sequel from a movie that got 95% on RT, and sequels always increase." That was probably the biggest example of wishful thinking that ive seen on BOF. Pretty much. Some people get behind faulty logic and stay there. Because of pride or it's a film they want to hate on, doesn't matter. STiD performed well and is just one in a long list of films here that some jumped at a chance to mislabel as a "WWW" film. Interstellar or MJ are just others. At least MODS quickly locked down the MJ one. Hopefully they'll be quick on other ones in the future awaiting a few weeks of data or an industry backed article stating, "Hey, WWW with "______" films opening". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheavenger Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Did anyone notice that this is the last weekend thread on this forum and it's also one of the craziest (at least earlier on) and one of the biggest? It's not really important or anything, I just noticed it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jandrew Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Pretty much. Some people get behind faulty logic and stay there. Because of pride or it's a film they want to hate on, doesn't matter. STiD performed well and is just one in a long list of films here that some jumped at a chance to mislabel as a "WWW" film. Interstellar or MJ are just others. At least MODS quickly locked down the MJ one. Hopefully they'll be quick on other ones in the future awaiting a few weeks of data or an industry backed article stating, "Hey, WWW with "______" films opening". Mmm not trying to call you out, but if I remember correctly, werent you one of the ones that had high hopes for Trek, and thought I was crazy for saying F6 would outgross it? Hm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Craig Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Mmm not trying to call you out, but if I remember correctly, werent you one of the ones that had high hopes for Trek, and thought I was crazy for saying F6 would outgross it? Hm. No. I was not. I was one of the ones stating that if you looked at the history of the franchise that the '09 version was the one that got the series it's boost. That people should be looking for it to dip and stabilize at a lower average, albeit, higher than the average for the prior 10 but that a drop was reasonable to expect. My phrasing may have been slightly different then, but that was my gist. If you dug that thread out you'd find those thematic posts from me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashrendar44 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) That's because even the Thursday number was a huge drop from Catching Fire. It's a letdown for anyone who follows the box office, but nothing really went wrong. It's still making a ton of cash, just not reaching quite the audience of Catching Fire. The thing is even fans of the books would tell you before release that Mockingjay the book is weak material and that splitting it was a bad idea stretching it from the get go, making them anxious about the final product. But coming off CF break-out, as release closed by, there was some blind faith that MJ part 1 could overcome those obstacles and shortcomings in a wishful fantasy way that HG could be the franchise with 4 400M+ DOM grosser in a row, but that was wishful fantasy. So nothing went wrong, it went as normal as it could have been knowing the parameters and the material. A decrease from CF but MJ part 2 will increase back to HG level at least because they will push the final installment staple of the franchise DH2 like. Edited November 24, 2014 by dashrendar44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 STID performed pretty well, but its overseas total (and ST09's for that matter) seems pretty low. How is it that STID with 3D made $238m while a non-franchise space movie without 3D is about to make $450m or so? Doesn't make sense. Do people just outright dislike Star Trek in a lot of markets? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 A full $100 million separated poor, nine-digit-grossing Mockingjay from its nearest competition. In Hunger Games terms, that’s like Katniss killing every other tribute and then complaining that she could have killed them a little faster and more violently. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 STID performed pretty well, but its overseas total (and ST09's for that matter) seems pretty low. How is it that STID with 3D made $238m while a non-franchise space movie without 3D is about to make $450m or so? Doesn't make sense. Do people just outright dislike Star Trek in a lot of markets? I guess Star Trek is seen as a uniquely American phenomenon. Interstellar may be more cerebral but its themes are more universal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think part of the problem with STID is that it's a horrible movie. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I guess Star Trek is seen as a uniquely American phenomenon. Interstellar may be more cerebral but its themes are more universal. It's strange. Star Trek has always had the geek albatross around its neck even in the U.S. I had a roommate in college who loved watching re-runs of that show. I would just cringe and leave the room any time he'd put it on. I enjoyed the Abrams version because it's more like Star Wars. You would think it would have pretty universal appeal given the fact he toned down a lot of the really nerdy shit. But I guess that Star Trek brand is a blessing and a curse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think part of the problem with STID is that it's a horrible movie. I actually enjoyed ST and STiD more than Interstellar now that I think about it, but Interstellar is a much more well made movie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I think part of the problem with STID is that it's a horrible movie. Nah, there are lots of horrible movies that made way more money than STID OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stingray Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 This is a bullshit argument, imo. If TA2 opens to 150m it would still be one of the biggest OW of all time, but would you not also deem it disappointing? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandias Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 This is a bullshit argument, imo. If TA2 opens to 150m it would still be one of the biggest OW of all time, but would you not also deem it disappointing? I'd be calling it Age of Flopatron fo sho. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
