moviesRus Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Their only good franchises have been Shrek, Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. Only Shrek has been a huge moneymaker that competes with Pixar films though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Dreamworks Animation: What Went Wrong? Pixar. That's what went wrong. If Pixar didn't exist, imagine how much rosier DWA's prospects would be. Easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFanaticGuy34 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 They have 4 really good and successful franchises so far. Shrek, Madagascar, KFP & HTTYD. Now, Croods will have a sequel...which will increase WW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passerby Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I didn't love croods. It was very forgettable to me. It was mediocre all around. I don't it warrants a sequel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 And Pixar's endless sequels are a-OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 And Pixar's endless sequels are a-OK? No. Many of us diehard Pixar fans gripe about them doing so many. But then again if they're TS3 quality and aren't just cash grabs like Cars 2, then I guess there's nothing to be upset about. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinoiserie Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Pixar. That's what went wrong. If Pixar didn't exist, imagine how much rosier DWA's prospects would be. Easy. There is far more competition on the animation market than Pixar these days. Edited August 19, 2015 by Chinoiserie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) OS, everything almost all movies including KFP2 and HTTYD2 did very well. P&S disappointed. DOM, in the last few years the 1st movie that disappointed was KFP2. I still have no theories around it. Then came Puss in Boots which did well. Madg 3 did very well and increased on Madg 2. Croods did very well. Turbo disappointed. Peabody and Sherman disappointed. HTTYD2 underperformed but I have my theory around it. Both HTTYD1 and Alice in Wonderland were the 1st beneficieries of the post Avatar 3D bump. They released in March just as Avatar was slowing down relatively. AiW pushed Avatar out of top 5 and HTTYD1 pushed Avatar out of top 10. Apart from it's own merit, HTTYD1 legs were due to 3D and reminiscent of leggy runs like those of Journey to Center 3D, Polar Express, etc. So HTTYD2 dom in hindsight does not surprise me much and it did very well OS. Then Penguins did badly. Home did very well. So KFP2, Turbo, Penguins and Peabody and Sherman are the 4 dom disappointments imo. Turbo looked bad from the 1st trailer itself. And OS only P&S did bad. Even Turbo managed nearly 200m os. Penguins did 290m os. Don't think that much went wrong with Dreamworks. Probably expectations were a bit too high. Edited August 19, 2015 by a2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierreHP Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Their only good franchises have been Shrek, Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. Only Shrek has been a huge moneymaker that competes with Pixar films though. Kung Fu Panda 3 will be huge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a2k Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Kung Fu Panda 3 will be huge. It's China gross is gonna be worth watching. KFP2 did 92m back then. KFP3 is doing 300-350m imo. Edited August 19, 2015 by a2k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierreHP Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 It's China gross is gonna be worth watching. KFP2 did 92m back then. KFP3 is doing 300m imo. It will do well in other markets too like Latin America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Pixar. That's what went wrong. If Pixar didn't exist, imagine how much rosier DWA's prospects would be. Easy. Wrong. Dreamworks worst enemy is the Blue Sky/Illumation combo that rose to prominence just as Dreamworks started falling behind (which was partially due to Dreamworks own bad decisions). Their offerings are closer to the typical Dreamworks movie than the typical Pixar movie which co-existed just fine with Dreamworks up until the 2010s. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Home does better then expected, and all the Dreamworks fanboys come out of the woodwork screaming all is well. All is not well. Dreamworks has a ton of red ink still,and even if KFP3 is big hit,it won't be enough alone to put DWA back on it's feet. OS, everything almost all movies including KFP2 and HTTYD2 did very well. P&S disappointed. DOM, in the last few years the 1st movie that disappointed was KFP2. I still have no theories around it. Then came Puss in Boots which did well. Madg 3 did very well and increased on Madg 2. Croods did very well. Turbo disappointed. Peabody and Sherman disappointed. HTTYD2 underperformed but I have my theory around it. Both HTTYD1 and Alice in Wonderland were the 1st beneficieries of the post Avatar 3D bump. They released in March just as Avatar was slowing down relatively. AiW pushed Avatar out of top 5 and HTTYD1 pushed Avatar out of top 10. Apart from it's own merit, HTTYD1 legs were due to 3D and reminiscent of leggy runs like those of Journey to Center 3D, Polar Express, etc. So HTTYD2 dom in hindsight does not surprise me much and it did very well OS. Then Penguins did badly. Home did very well. So KFP2, Turbo, Penguins and Peabody and Sherman are the 4 dom disappointments imo. Turbo looked bad from the 1st trailer itself. And OS only P&S did bad. Even Turbo managed nearly 200m os. Penguins did 290m os. Don't think that much went wrong with Dreamworks. Probably expectations were a bit too high. Then explain why Dreamworks stock i in trouble,no one wants to buy it,and they just had big layoffs,and have cancelled or put on hold most of their scheduled films? Home was a sucess,but not the huge sucess that Dreamworks needed. ANd even if KFP3 is a huge hit, it won't be enough to pull Dreamworks out of it's deep troubles.Their schudule after KFP3 does not look that promising. IMHO Dreamworks is not going to survive as a indepdent studio. It is going to bought by somebody simply because Katzenbach will have no choice. And he knows that when he sells,his days as the head of DWA are numbered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Really? IMO, the most interesting future DreamWorks stuff are the projects that are currently "indefinitely postponed" (Me and My Shadow, Monkeys of Mumbai). Other than Larrikins and HTTYD3, the rest seem like boilerplate DWA films. Mediocre-looking originals vs. sequels to great films that could go either way quality-wise seems like kind of a wash. Yeah, for a Dreamworks fanboy to attack Pixar for too many sequels is really funny. Particulaly when Pixar just had of it biggest box office and critical suceeses with Inside Out.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtes76 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Yeah, for a Dreamworks fanboy to attack Pixar for too many sequels is really funny. Particulaly when Pixar just had of it biggest box office and critical suceeses with Inside Out.... And you are a Dreamworks hater... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 And you are a Dreamworks hater... Nah, just a realist; I think that Dreaworks has dug itself a hole that it is not going to be able to crawl out of,and a string of medicore movies that did not do well at the box office is the reason why. Of course being either a hater or a fan all the only alternatives to someone with the fanboy mentality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwo Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Wrong. Dreamworks worst enemy is the Blue Sky/Illumation combo that rose to prominence just as Dreamworks started falling behind (which was partially due to Dreamworks own bad decisions). Their offerings are closer to the typical Dreamworks movie than the typical Pixar movie which co-existed just fine with Dreamworks up until the 2010s. Illumination, Blue Sky, Sony, WB etc didn't help but the decision to release 2-3 films a year lead to over saturation with animated films and for an independent studio with DWA, each film had to do well which wasn't sustainable for their business model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 (edited) Illumination, Blue Sky, Sony, WB etc didn't help but the decision to release 2-3 films a year lead to over saturation with animated films and for an independent studio with DWA, each film had to do well which wasn't sustainable for their business model. Yeah, I think the bad decisions that Katzenberg is either making or siging off on is Dreamworks worst enemy. And even if KFP3 is a huge hit, it won't be enough to get DW back on track. IT will take a steady stream of hits to do that.And I am not optimistic as long as Katzenberg is in charge. Wierd thing is that Pixar's post TS3 slump gave DW an opporuntiy to gain ground on Pixar, but they pretty much blew it. I think the Peanuts movie is going to be important for Blue Sky. They have had huge box office sucess but not that much critical sucess....Rio was the only recent film to have been modestly sucessful with the critics;but they really have a chance to make a kind of animated film they have not done before and help shake the reputation they have got for endless churning out lackluster though very sucesssful at the box office Ice Age Sequels. Edited August 19, 2015 by dudalb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJackSparrow Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The first and third Ice Ages were exactly well received by audiences. The fourth however may have killed the series reputation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 The first and third Ice Ages were exactly well received by audiences. The fourth however may have killed the series reputation. But 4 still was a huge hit. Frankly,the first one is the only one in the series I would consider to be a really good movie. The rest were just recycling the same old stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
