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Top 20 Selling Blu-ray Discs for the Week Ended 01/11/15
Rank Title Studio Index*
1 The Equalizer Sony Pictures 100.00
2 Guardians of the Galaxy Disney/Marvel 75.57
3 No Good Deed Sony Pictures 45.47
4 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2014) Paramount 33.93
5 Get On Up Universal 33.54
6 Left Behind eOne 30.90
7 Boyhood Paramount 28.22
8 The Maze Runner Fox 25.49
9 Horns Anchor Bay 17.82
10 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug Warner 15.36
11 Taken 2 Fox 15.19
12 How to Train Your Dragon 2 Fox/DreamWorks 15.15
13 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes Fox 14.99
14 The Expendables 3 Lionsgate 13.41
15 Frozen Disney 11.59
16 Maleficent Disney 11.30
17 Archer: The Complete Season Five Fox 10.09
18 Black Sails: The Complete First Season Anchor Bay 9.83
19 Lone Survivor Universal 9.77
20 The Guest Universal 9.56

 

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I can't believe This is Where I Leave You did so badly. 2,000 copies on opening week. Yikes.

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Why thenumbers is not to be trusted:

 

Numerous films totals on the "All Time Blu-Ray" chart have dropped by a couple thousand/tens of thousands.

 

I cannot post my original chart in proper formatting in post #169 as the old chart is not available, but on their website, looking at the new chart and comparing, I don't see why films that have been out forever; Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 for example should have any change, especially downward.

 

What happened? Thousands of people returned copies? 

 

This constant shifting of numbers is why thenumbers will never truly be trusted. 

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Why thenumbers is not to be trusted:

 

Numerous films totals on the "All Time Blu-Ray" chart have dropped by a couple thousand/tens of thousands.

 

I cannot post my original chart in proper formatting in post #169 as the old chart is not available, but on their website, looking at the new chart and comparing, I don't see why films that have been out forever; Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 for example should have any change, especially downward.

 

What happened? Thousands of people returned copies? 

 

This constant shifting of numbers is why thenumbers will never truly be trusted. 

 

While that's true, The-Numbers take incomplete data and extrapolate to the entire market, much like economists do when they analyze market trends.  Never accurate, but still pointing in the right direction.  You trust box office results because all sites report the same numbers.....provided by the studios. Old movies that are still showing in select theaters are seldom being updated.  I.E. When a movie theater run a SW marathon, you won't see the studios update their numbers right away and some simply don't bother updating them. 

 

You play with the best data available and at the moment, The-Numbers provide the "best" data we have for home video.   

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I remember reading that it was as well.  But I didn't have time to research several sources and using the-numbers.com, their data for HV only starts in 2006.

 

BB sold $167M in units by August 2006,  to put that in perspective, that's more than Star Wars 3 sold the same year and more than Thor and First Avenger sold in their first two years combined, including blu ray.  Obviously alot of people loved the film and WOM caught on like wildfire.

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Why thenumbers is not to be trusted:

 

Numerous films totals on the "All Time Blu-Ray" chart have dropped by a couple thousand/tens of thousands.

 

I cannot post my original chart in proper formatting in post #169 as the old chart is not available, but on their website, looking at the new chart and comparing, I don't see why films that have been out forever; Harry Potter Deathly Hallows 2 for example should have any change, especially downward.

 

What happened? Thousands of people returned copies? 

 

This constant shifting of numbers is why thenumbers will never truly be trusted. 

 

 

You are aware about especially the week with the holidays and the week afterwards are usually always not that acurate? The selling points... usually have a lot to do (hire even - sometimes unlearned - extra help...), people taking vacation time also in between thise holidays... the 'declare' the selling numbers are not that urgent / important in that time.

Later on adjustments.

 

Btw, that includes especially also The-Numbers too, like their 'lost' DVD revnues of week 21 Dec..... Now corrected / included in the combined charts...

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No he wrote selled....but he meant salad. Frozen is the most salad Blu Ray ever. Check your freezer, I`m sure there is some Frozen selled there.

Completely ridiculous post. Instead of appreciating his contribution you make fun of him for his grammatical error in a language that is not his mother tongue.

Very classy.

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Completely ridiculous post. Instead of appreciating his contribution you make fun of him for his grammatical error in a language that is not his mother tongue.

Very classy.

 

It was indeed ridiculous, mission accomplished.  My intention was to make fun of the guy who called him out on his error,  mission unaccomplished.  Like a certain green female in a certain space opera movie said : who put the stick up your ***?

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BB sold $167M in units by August 2006,  to put that in perspective, that's more than Star Wars 3 sold the same year and more than Thor and First Avenger sold in their first two years combined, including blu ray.  Obviously alot of people loved the film and WOM caught on like wildfire.

 

 

Not true. SW3 had sold $269M worth of HV units by the end of 2005. 

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Just wanted to point out a fun fact.

 

According to thenumbers data, it seems if you release your film during Black Friday week or the week before Christmas, unless you're a really big or semi-big blockbuster or perhaps a fan-driven movie, you will not sell a lot. Loads of films grossing less than $50m in wide release releasing on those weekends don't make the charts since loads of old movies shoot up, and when the dust clears, it doesn't seem like these ever get any momentum going. 

 

It's a pity, but it's kind of like, it makes sense. 

 

baumer, you and I liked This is Where I Leave You, but it was still a movie that made $33m. It released before Xmas and when the shelves are stocked with the perennial favourites and discounted movies from the rest of the year to fill up stockings, less space, if any, will go to a movie like this. Next weekend, when more new releases flock to stores, you take into account the poor sales, and the movie sinks into oblivion faster than you can say its title. Just going in the past couple years movies like Going the Distance, Spy Kids 4, Jobs, Getaway etc have just not appeared whatsoever. Even the Giver this year, only managed to make it on week 3. It's funny because in other parts of the year you can have a real shitty movie on your hands selling upwards of 50k copies simply because it's a low point, which is mostly the entire rest of the year. 

 

It's a very intriguing phenomenon because it makes you see how, in some ways, a movie's longevity is determined by even something as insignificant as a home video release date. Only The Quiet Ones was a wide release on a normal weekend that failed to chart. Even Mom's Night Out and Under the Skin (normally indies do very poor) made the charts, so no reason for a Jason Bateman/Tina Fey comedy to just not turn up at all. Will be interesting to see which movies get the short end of the stick next year. 

 

The little things, eh?

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week till 4 January seems to have been bad in general.

 

Probably bcs the holiday, spending for fireworks and parties,..

 

The Numbers updated the Blu-Rays, DVD still missing

 

I think the week till 11 January got a bit better numbers

 

 

What I do NOT understand is:

 

TMNT is 'new'???

 

Ahhh, probably the old one is re-released in a new edition????

 

United States Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending January 4, 2015

← Previous Chart Chart Index  
    Title Units this Week % Change Total Units Spending this Week Total Spending Weeks  
1 new The Equalizer 678,260   678,260 $13,212,505 $13,212,505 1 Buy
2 (-) Guardians of the Galaxy 164,722 -64% 3,677,435 $3,292,797 $76,909,878 4 Buy
3 new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 105,870   129,797 $734,735 $901,023 1,218 Buy
4 (-) The Maze Runner 104,927 -62% 733,266 $2,397,578 $15,091,278 3 Buy
5 (-) Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 60,779 -61% 1,208,372 $1,503,062 $21,399,576 5 Buy
6 (-) How to Train Your Dragon 2 52,429 -63% 2,073,961 $954,217 $40,742,810 8 Buy
7 (-) The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug 41,618 -60% 2,372,150 $887,713 $60,809,627 39 Buy
8 (-) The Expendables 3 40,350 -38% 526,738 $709,348 $10,447,280 6 Buy
9 (-) Maleficent 33,940 -79% 2,050,820 $835,606 $42,925,814 9 Buy
10 (-) Frozen 30,596 -70% 7,264,634 $764,602 $153,692,827 42 Buy
11 (-) X-Men Days of Future Past 28,880 -67% 1,700,433 $576,740 $27,880,954 12 Buy
12 (-) Lone Survivor 28,385 -48% 1,241,054 $283,568 $21,583,654 31 Buy
13 (-) Taken 2 26,676   936,406 $281,698 $18,578,463 103 Buy
14 (-) Transformers: Age of Extinction 25,557 -55% 2,119,731 $393,831 $36,330,877 14 Buy
15 (-) Edge of Tomorrow 24,010 -48% 691,057 $359,916 $14,372,202 13 Buy
16 (-) Neighbors 23,529   549,856 $237,406 $10,279,455 15 Buy
17 (-) Captain America: The Winter Soldier 22,511 -62% 1,743,354 $449,103 $34,194,356 17 Buy
18 (-) 22 Jump Street 22,410 -81% 604,033 $555,313 $11,249,757 7 Buy
19 (-) The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 22,369 -58% 3,021,264 $474,223 $71,217,009 94 Buy
20 (-) Tammy 22,111 -55% 228,506 $331,448 $4,373,338 8 Buy

 

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Just send them an email. They make loads of errors. 

 

Did you send them an email or did you meant to suggest 'we'/me should send them one?

 

If it is about the Blu-Ray chart is up and the DVD not = that is normal procedure there.

Not normal was only one scrambeled list  10 days or so back

 

I do write mails to them, always get answers in an they are appreciated way... and they always correct the details I point out to them (I back them up with links to 'respected' sources....). Or simply mail a hint about things like happend after New Years Eve (someone there might have been not that awake)

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Did you send them an email or did you meant to suggest 'we'/me should send them one?

 

If it is about the Blu-Ray chart is up and the DVD not = that is normal procedure there.

Not normal was only one scrambeled list  10 days or so back

 

I do write mails to them, always get answers in an they are appreciated way... and they always correct the details I point out to them (I back them up with links to 'respected' sources....). Or simply mail a hint about things like happend after New Years Eve (someone there might have been not that awake)

 

Nope I didn't.

 

I sent them a long email asking many questions but they didn't reply.

 

Check out the data for the Princess Bride, Sleeping Beauty, the numbers take a massive leap. Don't add up. Click the profile page.

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I sent them a long email asking many questions but they didn't reply.

 

Check out the data for the Princess Bride, Sleeping Beauty, the numbers take a massive leap. Don't add up. Click the profile page.

Nope I didn't.

 

So you meant to suggest to others to send a mail? About what / who?

 

How long ago did you ask those questions? Depending on what the question is, sometimes it takes some time till they answer. If the questions are out of mixed areas it might take a loooong time (I am guessing different people work at different areas....)

The longest I had to wait a few years back was several months (they did explain the reason in a satisfying way)

 

Funny that you felt the need to describe how to find the details...

 

 

About Princess Bride:

1. Blu-Ray first release pushed also DVDs as those too got offered

 

2. anniversary release

 

3. combined releases / or special sales...

 

E.g. in 2011 a costomer wrote this:

 

Basically the "Dread Pirate Roberts" edition and the "20th Anniversery" edition have different special features not in the other edition.

As of this writing, there are three versions of the Blu-ray - the Blu-ray only edition, and the Blu-ray + DVD edition in either a Blu-Ray or the old style DVD case.

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Now  they have also the 25th anniversary version (btw, the Blu-Ray picture quality of that one seems to be bad, those seem to have been part of a $5 or so thing, so I am guessing that explains the August boost / jump.

 

The date jumps are based on the listing rank a release reached, is it too deep it will not appear on the movie's detail area.

 

 

The other movie I didn' look up as both movies are not of interest to me, you should have got the gist via the example, I hope.

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I am still extreme busy with the mentioned project.... so only a fast jump in for the newest week-by-year comparison

 

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The DVD / DVD&Blu-Ray combined list for the week till 4 January at The-Numbers is still missing.

 

I am aware about them uploading those details later on, but I think its a bit longer this time than ususal. In a few days teh next Blu-Ray list should be up (~ 3 days), fingers crossed till then they manage to upload the rest of the actual datas :rolleyes:

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Finally they uploaded the DVD / combined details too! (6 days after the Blu-Ray details :rolleyes: )

 

TMNT (old and new version) is twice on the list, see the weeks in release

 

 

 

United States Combined DVD and Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending January 4, 2015

← Previous Chart Chart Index  
Rank Title Units this Week Total Units Spending this Week Total Spending Weeks  
1 The Equalizer 1,306,922 1,306,922 $24,144,937 $24,144,937 1 Buy
2 Guardians of the Galaxy 313,111 5,987,045 $5,512,696 $110,539,320 4 Buy
3 The Maze Runner 239,253 1,675,202 $4,815,446 $29,505,745 3 Buy
4 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 158,932 2,002,172 $2,697,076 $28,731,715 3 Buy
5 Frozen 156,907 18,425,503 $3,285,770 $341,697,058 42 Buy
6 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes 147,377 2,537,210 $3,224,630 $40,611,356 5 Buy
7 How to Train Your Dragon 2 129,302 4,068,064 $2,123,455 $69,283,747 8 Buy
8 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 105,870 129,797 $734,735 $901,023 1,218 Buy
9 Lone Survivor 101,939 2,854,091 $724,156 $44,809,033 31 Buy
10 The Expendables 3 99,344 1,294,249 $1,492,788 $21,887,781 6 Buy
11 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug 97,714 4,754,210 $1,448,112 $96,049,051 39 Buy
12 Maleficent 84,975 3,931,779 $1,855,285 $74,146,881 9 Buy
13 Dolphin Tale 2 80,488 868,954 $1,518,725 $15,854,058 4 Buy
14 This is Where I Leave You 71,450 87,876 $1,185,380 $1,457,055 3 Buy
15 Taken 2 62,648 3,704,254 $640,339 $62,305,186 103 Buy
16 Bridesmaids 61,355 6,454,511 $334,019 $94,420,282 172 Buy
17 Non-Stop 59,730 995,615 $398,415 $17,552,174 30 Buy
18 X-Men Days of Future Past 58,917 3,032,623 $1,121,311 $46,994,916 12 Buy
19 22 Jump Street 57,144 1,333,902 $1,245,130 $23,117,204 7 Buy
20 Mr. Peabody & Sherman 53,380 1,754,486 $809,120 $28,466,796 12 Buy
21 Tammy 52,067 901,275 $630,708 $13,714,235 8 Buy
22 Neighbors 51,787 1,590,442 $493,423 $26,504,625 15 Buy
23 Edge of Tomorrow 47,830 1,251,698 $597,878 $22,192,269 13 Buy
24 Transformers: Age of Extinction 43,229 3,684,303 $636,644 $59,483,641 14 Buy
25 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 42,637 7,023,243 $643,866 $101,911,939 94 Buy
26 Elf 40,035 6,584,699 $375,929 $54,453,511 529 Buy
27 Home Alone Collection 39,455 302,706 $765,034 $5,722,787 222 Buy
28 Captain America: The Winter Soldier 37,838 2,958,505 $709,509 $52,954,246 17 Buy
29 The Polar Express 34,275 9,899,818 $385,755 $121,184,134 471 Buy
30 Tyler Perry's A Madea Christmas 29,464 707,183 $462,290 $10,609,751 6 Buy

 

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If Sniper does $50m or lower...then it's safe to assume MJ1 won't go down. 

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They have not fixed the TMNT chart.

 

The new release is the one that sold those units. It makes no sense that it dropped like 90% off the charts and the old release jumped up 2000% or whatever. 

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To me it makes sense - to a degree.

 

I also think they scrambled up the title links.... but:

 

A lot of people decide to buy also the old version, if they liked a new adaptation. Especially if they like both version very much.

 

In this case a lot of the now-parents might want to show their children the old version too or only now realised / remembered to look out for the old version too.

 

I often buy both versions of a title to do comparisons, I know I am not the only one who does that....

 

In addition they might have released a new bundle / box / collectors whatever version too, I didn't check. How they calculate the splits for those...

 

Again, I think they scrambled up at least some of the numbers, but to a degree I can imagine that the old version got a bigger boost too - as in less then the chart implies.

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