How HV sales used to turn big box office hits into massive box office GIANTS

[edroger3]

Frozen fever don't leave Italy: The Disney toon is again the best selling Home Video title in week 10/2015. So the (nonconsecutive and for DVD alone) weeks at #1 are now 25.

 

http://www.univideo.org/

[terrestrial]

		MJ 1	GotG	Maleficient	Big Hero 6	Apes Dawn	CA 2	22 Jump Street	Neighbors	Gone Girl	How to Train... 2	Hobbit 3	TMNT	X-Men: DoFP	Divegent	ASM 2	Godzilla	Interstellar
dom BO		337	333.18	241.41	221.3	208.55	259.77	191.72	150.16	167.76	177	254.46	191.2	233.92	150.95	202.85	200.68	187.89
dom Home Entertainment		134.8	133.3	96.6	87.9	83.4	103.9	76.7	60.1	67.1	70.8	101.8	60	93.6	68	81.1	80.3	75.2
dom BO *0.4 (40%)		134.8	133.27	96.564	88.52	83.42	103.91	76.688	60.064	67.104	70.8	101.784	76.48	93.568	60.38	81.14	80.272	75.156

[terrestrial]

That is a try how copying excel might look like and to show how they do calculate the dom HV out of the dom BO

 

exceptions TMNT and Divergent

 

But TMNT has very 'expensive' mistakes in their chart anyway, didn't check Divergent

Edited March 13, 2015 by terrestrial

[The Futurist]

Deadline says MJ1 had no China gross ...

Are they stupid or what ?

[terrestrial]

Not sure...

 

. I think it has another distributer

 

look into:

Foreign Presales & Overages, it has no foreign theatrical rental at all

[Olive]

Deadline says MJ1 had no China gross ...

Are they stupid or what ?

LG sold the movie's rights to local distributor.

[The Futurist]

LG sold the movie's rights to local distributor.

St00pid me.

[fastclock]

Terestrial, you can share the excel file in a publicly shared folder in dropbox or onedrive

[Walt Disney]

Terrestrial has been showing the Deadline top 20 most valuable movies here with their financials. It has been very interesting. I went to Deadline and added up what the big studios profited in total from the top 20 most profitable movies, and here are the results:

 

1. Disney - $748.47 M

 

2. Warner Bros.- $675.44 M

 

3. Fox- $429.4 M

 

4. Paramount- $378.66 M

 

5. Lionsgate- $283.47 M

 

6. Sony- $214.88 M

 

7. Universal- $136.05 M

 

8. DreamWorks Animation- $107.3 M

[terrestrial]

Terestrial, you can share the excel file in a publicly shared folder in dropbox or onedrive

Dropbox uses amazon mass storage (and some other details) = a big nono for me

 

Onedrive = I have to read 'through' the details, might be a possibility when I buy my new mobile. What I do not like is them seemingly ignoring our privacy laws here in Germany (according to the Wiki-entry I just read). Not enough input for now

 

Thank you very much for the suggestion, it might not sound like it, but I do appreciate them very much.

 

I've seen the 'Paste from Word'.... tabs, thought there might be maybe a possibility to create a ~ html chart (not sure about the correct term).

 

I'll look into it a bit more in general, sounds like a nice reason for some new stuff to learn

[terrestrial]

	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
	Transformer 4	American Sniper	Lego	MJ 1	GotG	Maleficient	Big Hero 6	Apes Dawn	CA 2	22 Jump Street
dom BO	245.44	340	257.8	337	333.18	241.41	221.3	208.55	259.8	191.72
foreign BO	544.97	210	211	420	344.53	469.28	400	392.94	339.4	139.61
China BO	301				96.47	47.72	45	107.36	115.6
total	1092.4	550	468.8	757	774.18	758.41	666.3	708.84	714.8	331.33
dom theatrical/non-theat. Rental	125.17	173.4	131.5	161.8	176.58	123.12	112.03	106.36	132.5	97.77
foreign theatrical rental	212.5	81.9	82.29		137.8	183.02	156	153.25	132.4	54.45
China theatrical rental	75.25				24.12	11.93	11.25	26.84	28.9
dom Home Entertainment	98.2	136	103.1	134.8	133.3	96.6	87.9	83.4	103.9	76.7
foreign home entertainment	136.2	52.5	52.8		86.1	117.3	100	98.2	84.9	34.9
dom PPV/VOD	29.453	15	30	14	18	28.97	26.36	25.03	17	23
dom Pay TV	20	19	22	17	27	28	28	22	27	18
dom Network TV /// dom TV	24.54	34	25.78	33.7	33.3	24.14	21.97	20.86	25.98	19.17
dom Syndication	3.68	5.1	3.87		5	3.62	3.3	3.13	3.9	2.88
Foreign Presales & Overages				130
Foreign TV	88.32	55.36	55.76		73.25	82.62	77.3	76.76	72.03	43.48
Merchandise	30		10		10	2.5	2.5		7.5
Total Revenue	843.38	572.26	517.1	496.3	724.48	701.82	626.61	615.81	636	370.36
Net Production cost	210	58.8	60	140	195.9	180	165	170	170	58
dom release cost	77	52.5	62.5	50	68	67.5	67.5	67.5	65	47.5
foreign release cost	84.5	59.4	59.8		79.4	83.1	80	75	78.8	46.9
dom Home entertainment cost	29.46	40.8	30.93	40.44	39.9	28.98	26.37	25.02	31.17	23.01
foreign home entertainment cost	50.39	19.3	19.54		31.86	43.4	37	36.33	31.41	12.91
Interest	9.45	2.63	2.7	6.3	8.84	8.1	7.43	7.65	7.65	2.61
Residuals & Off-the-Tops	36.4	25.22	26.57	14.95	31.73	31.97	29.5	27.63	28.7	19.15
Participations (actors,… extra money)	75	65	20	19	45	50	10	7.5	40	10
Overhead	21	5.88	6	14	19.59	18	16.5	17	17	5.8
Distribution fee /// fee
Total cost	593.2	329.68	288	284.7	520.28	511.05	439.3	433.63	469.7	225.88
Studio Net profit	250.16	242.58	229	211.6	204.2	190.77	187.34	182.18	166.2	144.48
Cash on Cash Return	1.42	1.74	1.8	1.74	1.39	1.34	1.43	1.42	1.35	1.64

[terrestrial]

	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	19	20
	Neighbors	Gone Girl	How to Train... 2	Hobbit 3	TMNT	X-Men: DoFP	Divegent	ASM 2	Godzilla	Interstellar
dom BO	150.16	167.76	177	254.46	191.2	233.92	150.95	202.85	200.68	187.89
foreign BO	118	200.29	376.8	578.28	231.67	397.7	125.48	411.7	250.37	362.7
China BO			65.1	121.72	62.13	116.49	12.32	94.4	77.63	121.99
total	268.16	368.06	618.9	964.46	485	748.12	288.75	708.98	528.68	672.58
dom theatrical/non-theat. Rental	76.58	85.56	90.27	129.77	97.51	119.3	72.45	103.45	102.35	95.83
foreign theatrical rental	46.02	78.12	146.96	225.53	98.35	155.11		160.56	97.64	141.46
China theatrical rental			16.28	30.43	15.53	29.12		23.6	19.41	30.5
dom Home Entertainment	60.1	67.1	70.8	101.8	60	93.6	68	81.1	80.3	75.2
foreign home entertainment	29.5	50.1	94.2	144.6	57.9	99.4		102.9	62.6	90.7
dom PPV/VOD	18.02	20	21.24	30.5	22.94	28.07	14	24.34	24.08	22.54
dom Pay TV	19	22	22	22	28	22	16	18	22	18
dom Network TV /// dom TV	15.02	16.78	17.7	25.45	19.12	23.39	15.1	20.39	20.06	18.79
dom Syndication	2.25	2.52	2.66	3.8	2.87	3.5	2.26	3.04	3.01	2.81
Foreign Presales & Overages						0	65
Foreign TV	39.55	54.15	75.3	90	58.86	75		78.1	61.42	74.2
Merchandise			2.5		5	5		25	5
Total Revenue	306.04	396.82	559.9	803.93	458.19	653.49	252.81	640.38	497.87	570.03
Net Production cost	18	61	145	300	150	220	85	255	160	165
dom release cost	42	55	67.5	70	65	60	50	90	70	67.5
foreign release cost	41.9	58.2	77	84.5	65	70		85	65.7	79.9
dom Home entertainment cost	18.03	20.13	21.24	30.54	18	28.08	20.4	24.33	24.09	22.56
foreign home entertainment cost	10.92	18.54	34.85	53.5	21.24	36.88		38.07	23.16	33.56
Interest	0.81	2.75	6.53	13.5	6.75	9.9	3.83	11.48	7.2	7.43
Residuals & Off-the-Tops	16.53	20.61	26.09	33.5	23.6	29.36	9.22	30.64	24.42	25.4
Participations (actors,… extra money)	20	24	20	85	12	100	4	10	15	105
Overhead	1.8	6.1	14.5	30	15	22	8.5	25.5	16	16.5
Distribution fee /// fee			39.85						39.83
Total cost	169.99	266.33	452.56	700.55	376.77	576.12	180.95	570.02	445.4	522.87
Studio Net profit	136.05	129.99	107.34	103.38	81.31	77.38	71.87	70.38	52.477	47.16
Cash on Cash Return	1.8	1.49	1.93	1.15	1.22	1.13	1.4	1.12	1.12	1.09

 

[terrestrial]

2013

 

2013	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
	Frozen	Decicable Me 2	Iron Man 3	Hunger Games 1	Gravity	Conjuring	Monsters Univ.	Thor 2
dom BO	396.895	368	409.01	424.4	272.82	137.4	268.49	206.288
foreign BO	586.907	549.72	685.426	440	341.3	180.6	441.366	382.515
China BO	48.2	52.98	121		100		33.7	55.8
total	1032	970.7	1212.44	864.4	714.12	318	743.559	644.6
dom theatrical/non-theat. Rental	210.28	195.04	216.777	212	135.15	70.07	136.929	105.41
foreign theatrical rental	239.07	225.38	281.025		143.5	71.72	176.546	150.388
China theatrical rental	11.77	13.24	30.25		25		8.42	13.95
dom Home Entertainment	138.94	133.9	135.37	152.3	98.47	39.25	104.4	80.05
foreign home entertainment	102.12	122.1	155.4		77.7	43.9	106.672	83.25
dom PPV/VOD
dom Pay TV	79.627	81.32	77.356	62.25	68.325	53.44	63.376	56.872
dom Network TV /// dom TV
dom Syndication
Foreign Presales & Overages
Foreign TV	90	72	90		74.64	51.21	81.49	76.19
Merchandise	7.5	25	40	135.5			5	7.5
Total Revenue	879.31	867.99	1026.36	562.05	622.78	329.6	681.84	573.612
Net Production cost	150	76	200	130	100	19.5	200	170
dom release cost	68	60	60	50	67.5	36.5	70	62.5
foreign release cost	78	84.5	71.5		72	45.7	75.6	77
dom Home entertainment cost	41.68	40.17	40.61	45.69	29.54	13.74	36.54	24.02
foreign home entertainment cost	37.78	45.18	57.5		28.75	16.24	39.1	30.8
Interest	6.75	3.42	9	5.85	4.5	0.88	9	7.65
Residuals & Off-the-Tops	33	31.32	34.66	14.6	26.75	17.78	28.34	24.87
Participations (actors,… extra money)	35	121.5	72.5	21	69.5	14.6	13.5	11.87
Overhead	22.5	11.4	0		15	2.92	30	25.5
Distribution fee /// fee			88.77
Total cost	472.7	473.488	634.54	267.13	413.54	167.86	502	434.209
Studio Net profit	406.6	394.5	391.82	294.916	209.25	191.735	179.76	139.4
Cash on Cash Return	1.86	1.83	1.62	2.1	1.51	1.96	1.36	1.32

 

[Olive]

So they only count those movies made over $150M in DOM?

The Maze Runner, Lucy and Fault in Our Stars definitely made more than Divergent.

[terrestrial]

still 2013

 

2013	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16
	F&F 6	Hobbit 2	Croods	Great Getsby	Man of Steel	Oz: Powerful..	Star Trek 2	World War Z
dom BO	238.68	257.88	187.17	144.84	291.04	234.91	228.78	202.36
foreign BO	483.5	611.7	336.73	192.9	313.56	232.5	181.68	337.65
China BO	66.5	74.7	63.31	13.3	63.44	25.91	56.9
total	788.68	944.28	587.2	351.04	668.04	493.31	467.37	540
dom theatrical/non-theat. Rental	126.5	140.45	99.2	74.88	148.41	124.5	121.25	107.25
foreign theatrical rental	198.44	262.4	138.06	80.09	123.6	95.32	74.49	138.44
China theatrical rental	16.5	17.5	15.83	3.32	15.75	6.48	14.23
dom Home Entertainment	89.62	95.84	74.11	54.39	119.79	89.62	89.62	80.76
foreign home entertainment	105.45	115.4	72.15	71.59	93.24	52.96	41.45	72.15
dom PPV/VOD
dom Pay TV	66.45	66.48	57.52	50.92	66.57	59.15	65.81	62.77
dom Network TV /// dom TV
dom Syndication
Foreign Presales & Overages
Foreign TV	76	90	73.5	54.96	69.63	60.7	52.49	73.5
Merchandise		7.5	2.5		25
Total Revenue	677.96	795.6	532.86	390.16	661.98	489.1	459.34	534.86
Net Production cost	260	260	175	107	258	215	190	269
dom release cost	55	75	52.5	60	80	60	65	72
foreign release cost	50	80	71.4	51	69.3	55	56.7	87
dom Home entertainment cost	26.89	28.75	22.23	13.6	41.93	26.89	26.89	24.23
foreign home entertainment cost	39.02	42.71	26.7	26.49	34.5	19.6	15.34	26.7
Interest	11.7	11.7	7.87	5.88	11.61	9.67	8.55	12.1
Residuals & Off-the-Tops	27.28	30	23.92	19.63	27.25	22.27	21.55	24.91
Participations (actors,… extra money)	34	94.31	7.8	34.5	57.95	12	16.95	28.76
Overhead	39	39		13.44	38.7	32.25	28.5	40.35
Distribution fee /// fee			38.98
Total cost	542.89	661.48	426.4	331.55	619.24	452.68	429.48	585.05
Studio Net profit	135.07	134.126	106.46	58.61	42.74	36.41	29.853	-50.19
Cash on Cash Return	1.25	1.2	1.25	1.18	1.07	1.08	1.07	0.91

 

[terrestrial]

So they only count those movies made over $150M in DOM?

The Maze Runner, Lucy and Fault in Our Stars definitely made more than Divergent.

 

I have not so much time yesterday and probably partly today, so I only started to really look into their data, but really 'heavy' (term, big, much money differences) mistakes are already clear, Frozen e.g. nears $350m for HV hard discs sales alone....

[Plain Old Tele]

How are you calculating home video grosses?

[terrestrial]

How are you calculating home video grosses?

 

Do you mean me?

 

Not sure what you mean with that, I think deadline uses 40% of BO dom, with some exceptions in 2014 and something less then 40% for 2013 (have to look more into 2013 too).

If looking up the details at The-Numbers.com (I only looked up a few yet) the numbers do not match up. I also have some recollection for TMNT (since baumer was then so into that movie - for some unclear to me reasons - those numbers 'jump into my eye', I haven't even seen the movie) to have read articles about slightly uncommon for today release patterns in release dates for rent and sames, including some praise for its high rental numbers.

= what I meant with looking more into it, going to a deeper search for articles that migh mention HV revenues in dollar and not only chart positions

 

For me Home Entertainment is hard discs sales and rent and the same per digital (without e.g. TV-streams... = TV)

 

Some of the foreign BO details are also wrong, see my earlier posts

 

I finished the list, so people might have a tool for simpler compare themselfes or for seeing more obvious the 'calculation' regularity or....

 

 

Ahhh, I think I might get an idea what you might have meant.

Just in case you meant that:

I do not calculate HV, I look up the numbers released via articles and charts,...

I never even had the idea to calculate results out of BO dom or...

If I'd do that, I'd look up as much as I get my hands on on released datas like The-Numbers, look into the exceptions... and declare the method I use and on what I base the method on... in an 'article', or even better, in the charts (too).

I also look up the actual BO numbers, especially the foreign ones and the release dates too and would mention if a run isn't even finalised, maybe even give an upcomming release dates list.

To me the deadline charts look like being sloppyly done.

I am not even happy with the Walmart details not getting released and so on, hence to take even The-Numbers charts with a grain of salt.

Too much depends IMHO on if a movie is e.g. a genre movie a partner might not accompany someone into the cinema = often higher percentage in HV.... Or children's movies... Or if the movie was bad, medium or good in reaching the goal for what the movie was intended to aim for

 

Wondering if that was what the question was about

[terrestrial]

United States Combined DVD and Blu-ray Sales Chart for Week Ending March 1, 2015

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Chart Index

Rank	Title	Units this Week	Total Units	Spending this Week	Total Spending	Weeks
1	Big Hero 6	2,954,634	2,954,634	$52,035,587	$52,035,587	4	Buy
2	Horrible Bosses	173,534	2,758,440	$799,957	$35,570,400	177	Buy
3	Sons of Anarchy: The Final Season	157,553	157,553	$4,648,367	$4,648,367	1	Buy
4	Game of Thrones: The Complete Fourth Season	108,855	635,706	$3,552,948	$20,772,691	2	Buy
5	Dumb and Dumber To	106,784	528,874	$1,936,363	$9,850,760	4	Buy
6	The Interview	98,567	488,083	$1,123,727	$5,575,398	10	Buy
7	Whiplash	86,009	86,009	$1,443,167	$1,443,167	1	Buy
8	Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance)	84,799	305,519	$1,409,704	$5,363,129	4	Buy
9	Beyond the Lights	64,411	64,411	$1,128,057	$1,128,057	3	Buy
10	St. Vincent	55,009	221,690	$982,791	$3,854,669	2	Buy
11	John Wick	53,283	880,596	$907,295	$15,586,534	4	Buy
12	Dracula Untold	47,951	844,816	$878,630	$15,952,047	4	Buy
13	Fury	45,994	1,202,165	$734,164	$22,174,947	5	Buy
14	The Theory of Everything	43,809	150,227	$797,106	$2,866,668	3	Buy
15	Horrible Bosses 2	42,571	42,571	$984,669	$984,669	3	Buy
16	The Book of Life	39,330	770,648	$826,959	$13,505,952	5	Buy
17	Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day	38,210	606,366	$735,073	$10,797,458	3	Buy
18	Dragonheart 3 The Sorcerers Curse	38,119	38,119	$747,468	$747,468	1	Buy
19	Frozen	35,964	18,805,969	$744,589	$349,314,136	50	Buy
20	Lucy	34,305	1,320,446	$645,579	$24,682,106	6	Buy
21	101 Dalmatians	33,278	5,057,896	$776,631	$112,320,760	799	Buy
22	The Boxtrolls	27,653	704,471	$577,971	$17,203,473	6	Buy
23	Guardians of the Galaxy	26,718	6,495,460	$522,563	$118,702,770	12	Buy
24	Despicable Me 2	26,007	12,881,193	$292,673	$226,257,688	64	Buy
25	The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel	24,974	1,365,585	$320,539	$18,553,379	128	Buy
26	The Grand Budapest Hotel	21,539	597,667	$268,800	$8,364,682	37	Buy
27	Ouija	20,634	228,399	$356,762	$4,404,348	4	Buy
28	Despicable Me	20,173	17,177,064	$310,839	$267,175,326	220	Buy
29	The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug	19,491	5,016,585	$237,419	$100,658,783	47	Buy
30	The Land Before Time	18,747	1,203,376	$85,299	$6,157,076	993	B

 

[BadAtGender]

  19 Frozen 35,964 18,805,969 $744,589 $349,314,136 50 Buy

 

Huh, Looks like Frozen is going to hit $350m right on the 1 year mark.