STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS | 1131.6 M overseas | 2068.2 M worldwide

[catlover]

2 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

So TFA is a monster hit in the UK and should pass Avatar this week, as well as all-time #1 Skyfall within a week or two.

 

Most of the other markets are dominated heavily by Avatar, but Titanic's gross is within reach for most of them.

 

The most out of reach are probably Avatar's grosses in Russia and South Korea. Unless they are suddenly holding very well?

 

Japan is holding very well for TFA, and the country is known to be a slow burner so final results impossible to predict.

 

Not really impossible. It's heading to around $85M. $100M is a stretch but if it holds better than expected after the holidays, it could get there.

Edited January 4, 2016 by catlover

[titanic2187]

I have a bad feeling about SW7 performance in china, the hype across social media and forum, their "main" BAIDU discussion forum is rarely updated even the release date is closer. The hype or buzz is much much lower than others tent-poles, it's even lower than the Sherlock to some extent, still $150m is guaranteed a reach since chinese tends to come out for a movies that widely received at the others part of the world~   

[XXR vs XXR]

3 minutes ago, titanic2187 said:

I have a bad feeling about SW7 performance in china, the hype across social media and forum, their "main" BAIDU discussion forum is rarely updated even the release date is closer. The hype or buzz is much much lower than others tent-poles, it's even lower than the Sherlock to some extent, still $150m is guaranteed a reach since chinese tends to come out for a movies that widely received at the others part of the world~   

Most of us have fairly modest expectations for China. We know it's not going to do Fast and Furious 7 type numbers. I think $150 million is a great number for it's first go in China. The Avengers made $86 million in China but the sequel made $240 million. Furious 6 made less than $70 million and Furious 7 made $390 million. Transformers 3 - $165 million, Transformers 4 - $320 million. I think if TFA does $150 million, Episode 8 can look forward to at least $300 million in 2017 maybe even $400 million in TFA is well liked

[FranMan]

Don't see much SW activity on the likes of youku too. It's the lowest rated SW movie on duoban at 7.7. Still generally positive but the response to TFA is more varied amongst Mandarin speakers if you read the comments than those from the west. I feel a lot depends on the mainland's own WOM after the OW.

[terrestrial]

2 hours ago, titanic2187 said:

I have a bad feeling about SW7 performance in china, the hype across social media and forum, their "main" BAIDU discussion forum is rarely updated even the release date is closer. The hype or buzz is much much lower than others tent-poles, it's even lower than the Sherlock to some extent, still $150m is guaranteed a reach since chinese tends to come out for a movies that widely received at the others part of the world~   

In addition what    @VenomXXR

said:

As I too had to learn recently is:

Sherlock in China = seems to have an extreme following. There are some comments at the China Forum since before Sherlock's release there that made me

And why would $150m in China translate to 'bad feeling' anyway? Are you one of those ... fans (fill in as you like) who try to twist here something or are you not that into Chinese BOs and really do not know better?

[FranMan]

Yeah, USD150m represents solid business in China. I think he's saying that in reference to people who're predicting off the chart numbers. In fairness I haven't seen any here making wildly optimistic ones, although I've seen people from elsewhere cite 600m+!

[Jessie]

7 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

In addition what    @VenomXXR

said:

As I too had to learn recently is:

Sherlock in China = seems to have an extreme following. There are some comments at the China Forum since before Sherlock's release there that made me

And why would $150m in China translate to 'bad feeling' anyway? Are you one of those ... fans (fill in as you like) who try to twist here something or are you not that into Chinese BOs and really do not know better?

 

No need to be rude terrestrial, its not like you're the sharpest tool in the box.

[terrestrial]

4 minutes ago, Jessie said:

No need to be rude terrestrial, its not like you're the sharpest tool in the box.

1. wow. you, known for being way too often rude in the real meaning write that?

2. not rude at all if you take into consideration:

If you would read through all the dom BO threads since the release of SW 7 = I am pretty sure especially you would have formulated way worse. Certain fans do try to imply a lot there, using partly disgusting methods, that caused locked threads, an extra thread for those to take the fight to....

I am pretty sure I can remember to have read there posts of others and pointed out to that user myself repeatedly about the China details = so I am literally believing that post was a try to twist... as said member had written a lot of other posts in a very strange way to say it in a nice way also since he/she arrived here at 21 December.

 

3. Hmm, why do you insult me?

 

so yeah, even me known for staying patient, polite... gets fed up from time to time.

[titanic2187]

32 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

In addition what    @VenomXXR

said:

As I too had to learn recently is:

Sherlock in China = seems to have an extreme following. There are some comments at the China Forum since before Sherlock's release there that made me

And why would $150m in China translate to 'bad feeling' anyway? Are you one of those ... fans (fill in as you like) who try to twist here something or are you not that into Chinese BOs and really do not know better?

I don't think it's wrong to be ......(fill in as you wish) fans.....legally or psychologically~

$150m is decent, but we are speaking relative term here~ 

[terrestrial]

Just now, titanic2187 said:

I don't think it's wrong to be ......(fill in as you wish) fans.....legally or psychologically~

$150m is decent, but we are speaking relative term here~ 

It's not 'decent' it's a very good revenue in China, as have a lot of China specialists here in the forum explained with examples repeatedly.

 

[Aristis]

9 hours ago, kayumanggi said:

 

Would it be possible to do an comparison in local currency? Don't know how well that works with Titanic since it's an old movie and currencies might have changed dramatically and incomparable, but for Avatar it should work.

 

8 hours ago, Daxtreme said:

So TFA is a monster hit in the UK and should pass Avatar this week, as well as all-time #1 Skyfall within a week or two.

 

Most of the other markets are dominated heavily by Avatar, but Titanic's gross is within reach for most of them.

 

The most out of reach are probably Avatar's grosses in Russia and South Korea. Unless they are suddenly holding very well?

 

Japan is holding very well for TFA, and the country is known to be a slow burner so final results impossible to predict.

 

Don't think any of those big markets in the comparison has a shot on Avatar except for UK  and China.

[Jessie]

2 hours ago, terrestrial said:

1. wow. you, known for being way too often rude in the real meaning write that?

2. not rude at all if you take into consideration:

If you would read through all the dom BO threads since the release of SW 7 = I am pretty sure especially you would have formulated way worse. Certain fans do try to imply a lot there, using partly disgusting methods, that caused locked threads, an extra thread for those to take the fight to....

I am pretty sure I can remember to have read there posts of others and pointed out to that user myself repeatedly about the China details = so I am literally believing that post was a try to twist... as said member had written a lot of other posts in a very strange way to say it in a nice way also since he/she arrived here at 21 December.

 

3. Hmm, why do you insult me?

 

so yeah, even me known for staying patient, polite... gets fed up from time to time.

 

Tis just a joke, we know you're intelligent lol, didn't think you'd take it so seriously.

[kayumanggi]

@Aristis, I'm afraid I can't do that. BOM's data is incomplete.

[terrestrial]

2 minutes ago, Jessie said:

Tis just a joke, we know you're intelligent lol, didn't think you'd take it so seriously.

Bcs I can not see through the internet and do not see you grin?

But I asked, as I didn't know why. There was the possibility of it being a ... rude joke?  

It's really difficult to 'hear' the other and as we do not agree in all matters we had some funny discussions already, or?

 

I wouldn't call myself intelligent btw., I love to read and learn, and I ask - balanced about a theme - people in the know a lot, that's all.

[peludo]

LOTR and Harry Potter were bigger grossers in China than Star Wars during their years of release. If we take into account this, that Hobbit did last year $120m, and if we asume that a LOTR/HP film should maybe make $150-$200m today in China (DH2 did 60 million in 2011), I think that the $150m prevision is quite good (and quite expected). Those fans who expect to beat F7 or TF should be ready for a disappointment. IMO, the $150m figure is quite logical all things considered.

Edited January 4, 2016 by peludo

[picores]

2 minutes ago, peludo said:

LOTR and Harry Potter were bigger grossers in China than Star Wars during their years of release. If we take into account this, that Hobbit did last year $120m, and if we asume that a LOTR/HP film should maybe make $150-$200m today in China (DH2 did 60 million in 2011), I think that the $150m prevision is quite good (and quite expected). Those fans who expect to beat F7 or TF should be ready for a disappointment. IMO, the $150m figure is quite logical all things considered.

 

Good point, what i really hope is that the worldwide success of TFA, good press and record breaking numbers everywhere can help it to gain momentum in China. $150m seems like a good prediction, but i think $200-225m is on the table. Wouldnt bet on it though. Just a wish.

[peludo]

40 minutes ago, picores said:

 

Good point, what i really hope is that the worldwide success of TFA, good press and record breaking numbers everywhere can help it to gain momentum in China. $150m seems like a good prediction, but i think $200-225m is on the table. Wouldnt bet on it though. Just a wish.

Who knows, but for the moment I prefer to be cautious... and listen to the experts in Chinese market. But like you, I wish it could go higher than predictions.

[FranMan]

I'm no authority on the Chinese market but I think AoU/JW numbers are possible if the local WOM takes off after the OW. I feel the overseas reviews and record-breaking hype translate into a combination of interest and curiosity, rather than outright interest. At least from what I've been hearing on my end.

 

 

[terrestrial]

9 minutes ago, FranMan said:

I'm no authority on the Chinese market but I think AoU/JW numbers are possible if the local WOM takes off after the OW. I feel the overseas reviews and record-breaking hype translate into a combination of interest and curiosity, rather than outright interest. At least from what I've been hearing on my end.

possible is a lot, but to expect / aim for #5 and #6 of the all-time chart for a relativley new to the most of the audience story-world is IMHO a possibile set up for disappointment.

In the US... it's the same, if WOM is great,.. all can happen.

But too much depends also on how it was translated, did they get the local version of humor as an example (what is humorous is strongly different from one culture to the next) and so on.

See e.g. SW, in all countries with English as a native language it is exploding.

In other countries it's also making money, beside local movies, exchange rates,... and so on, but not everywhere in the same crazyness, in some the numbers are only good (see SK, but there it had a local record-braker to run against too).

We do not know for now how the translation went, if the censors changed scenes (at least I haven't read anything about it, the China specialists might know more about that),...

It got only a 2-day OW, has a lot of competition.... I would be more than happy with $150m, if it does more, good for it.

[FranMan]

3 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

possible is a lot, but to expect / aim for #5 and #6 of the all-time chart for a relativley new to the most of the audience story-world is IMHO a possibile set up for disappointment.

In the US... it's the same, if WOM is great,.. all can happen.

But too much depends also on how it was translated, did they get the local version of humor as an example (what is humorous is strongly different from one culture to the next) and so on.

See e.g. SW, in all countries with English as a native language it is exploding.

In other countries it's also making money, beside local movies, exchange rates,... and so on, but not everywhere in the same crazyness, in some the numbers are only good (see SK, but there it had a local record-braker to run against too).

We do not know for now how the translation went, if the censors changed scenes (at least I haven't read anything about it, the China specialists might know more about that),...

It got only a 2-day OW, has a lot of competition.... I would be more than happy with $150m, if it does more, good for it.

 

Well said. And yeah, South Korea had The Himalayas and Hong Kong Ip Man 3, big local movies running against TFA. So all things considering, the takings in those two countries are pretty good. Not sure which local movie can give TFA similar competition before Kung Fu Panda 3 comes out, so TFA may have a good 20 days for its run.