Avatree Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I was about to go off on a rant about suggesting Armageddon is one of the best films ever... and then I remembered, this is a favourites list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 81. Avatar (2009) One-dimensional characters and all, this still ticks off a lot of my checkboxes: dedicated uncynical science-fiction, realistic future space travel and colonization, mechs, "dragons"... what's not to love? The characters are familiar and so is the plot, but that's the case with a lot of movies. Here what works is Cameron's complete dedication to his vision and world-building, combined with his strengths as a screenwriter: solid structure, blue-collar characters, knowing how to make the third act pay off on everything that came before it. One hell of a movie. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 82. Armageddon (1998) Corny as hell, but this was back when Bay didn't have total absolute control, and here he has a master veteran producer at his back and the best script doctoring money can buy. This movie is kinda infamous for having tons of writers involved, each focusing on refining a particular scene or moment or area. So even beyond the credited writers, there were a ton of talented people involved. The result is almost ruined by Bayhem in spots (the movie probably would be better if some of the asteroid shenanigans were tightened up), but it's immensely entertaining and has a lot of heart and emotion... aspects which I personally feel are lacking in Bay's more recent movies. Love it. 82. Armageddon (1998) Corny as hell, but this was back when Bay didn't have total absolute control, and here he has a master veteran producer at his back and the best script doctoring money can buy. This movie is kinda infamous for having tons of writers involved, each focusing on refining a particular scene or moment or area. So even beyond the credited writers, there were a ton of talented people involved. The result is almost ruined by Bayhem in spots (the movie probably would be better if some of the asteroid shenanigans were tightened up), but it's immensely entertaining and has a lot of heart and emotion... aspects which I personally feel are lacking in Bay's more recent movies. Love it. do you prefer Armageddon over The Rock? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinHood26 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Armageddon and Avatar, woah, did not expect that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalo Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 81. Avatar (2009) One-dimensional characters and all, this still ticks off a lot of my checkboxes: dedicated uncynical science-fiction, realistic future space travel and colonization, mechs, "dragons"... what's not to love? The characters are familiar and so is the plot, but that's the case with a lot of movies. Here what works is Cameron's complete dedication to his vision and world-building, combined with his strengths as a screenwriter: solid structure, blue-collar characters, knowing how to make the third act pay off on everything that came before it. One hell of a movie. Avatar is a visual masterpiece. it may not have the most in-depth characters. but I love it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPink Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Inception below Armageddon and Avatar We've been had #ED 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 There's a lot to complain about regarding Armageddon, but when the movie hits, it hits a home run. Impossible to deny it has heart, emotion, and soul. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#ED Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Inception below Armageddon and Avatar We've been had #ED Already reported the post. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empire Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Armageddon is one of the best bad movies ever. It isn't a great movie objectively, but I really enjoy it. Edited March 7, 2015 by Empire 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Armageddon is one of the best bad movies ever. It isn't a grea movie objectively, but I really enjoy it. it's not bad. It does what it sets out to do very well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartonfink Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 "Objectively great movie" may be some kind of delusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 "Objectively great movie" may be some kind of delusion. What he means is from a critical standpoint, he doesn't think it's particularly good (compared to pure personal enjoyment). He's not saying that his opinion is factually correct. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Jedi Master 007 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I'm more offended by Avatar being on here than Armageddon (simply cause I have yet to see the latter). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartonfink Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 What he means is from a critical standpoint, he doesn't think it's particularly good (compared to pure personal enjoyment). He's not saying that his opinion is factually correct. I know what he means. I just doubt his some expression. "Pure personal enjoyment" is not something like suddenly pop-upped fluke. It's genuine response from filmmaker's all sorts of craftsmanship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Jedi Master 007 Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I know what he means. I just doubt his some expression. "Pure personal enjoyment" is not something like suddenly pop-upped fluke. It's genuine response from filmmaker's all sorts of craftsmanship. Great point. This often gets lost in the discussion of objectively great films. There's a ton of craftsmanship to any kind of good/great film (hell even bad films tend to have certain things that work really well). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I wonder how high Mad Max 1&2 will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Armageddon is a fantastic GREAT movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted March 7, 2015 Author Share Posted March 7, 2015 I figured those two would get some reaction. I do slightly prefer ARMAGEDDON over THE ROCK. It has more heart and I love space SF. INCEPTION might rise through the ranks in years to come. Part of being on this list means a movie's had the chance to percolate with me for awhile. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAR Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I will admit the room gets a bit dusty during Armageddon 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPink Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 I figured those two would get some reaction. I do slightly prefer ARMAGEDDON over THE ROCK. It has more heart and I love space SF. INCEPTION might rise through the ranks in years to come. Part of being on this list means a movie's had the chance to percolate with me for awhile. I like Armageddon and Avatar a fair amount to be honest. But I prefer the Rock over those two. And Inception of course, though I admit the first 40 minutes of Inception can be a chore depending on my mood. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...