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2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

How much of it is the size of the talent pool too ?

 

Public movie discourse can be quite toxic, I imagine newcomer would always be required to have an online presence and being a woman online even at a very low level seem to be quite an ordeal.

 

Would not surprise me, if there is more male applicant for the jobs than female one.

 

If we look at platform with no one hiring/no gatekeeper platform (home made podcast/youtube) movie critics scene will we see a near 50/50 representation among woman and men there between gender showing that the difference at the outlet level is mostly due to sexism by them ?

 

Different output does not imply huge sexism at the gatekeeper level, there is no judging or any subjectivity in chess and a lot of online gaming is anonymous, 98-99% of the top 100 players are male the cap being big enough to have woman only chess tournament, difference in interest, ability desire to completely give away your best years into something useless like movies (or chess) can differ between gender, either for natural reason or sexism/heteronormative force that occur before the hiring session/gatekeeper level that can sometime explain most of the gap we see.

 

I will tell you something:

as I started then in technical school I was the sole female. Together with 41 males in one class room.

They tried to pressure me to not even go to it (in the same building there was also economic....). A lot.

One year later 4 females dared to try it.

I forgot the exact year, maybe 10 to 15 years later: nearly half-and-half...

 

As I did near the finishing-line of the school we all had to go to the job-centre for a kind of evaluation and recommendations and so on.

The MAN there only offered me doctor helper / hospital...., seller (in groceries,....) children related work, seamstress, secretary, and hair-cutter.

I asked him if he even had read my results in maths, physic, technology,.... my ~ questions-paper about what my wishes and hobbies are.

He did lift his head after the ~ third time I did asked him that, only glared and still gave only recommendations for 'female' professions.

 

In my technology focused work over 20 years I have met tons of ppl in often very stressful situation (big events), including watched how females still get discouraged, not picked for the interesting (and as such learning experience giving parts), but for the 'simple' and the dirty parts. And in stress situation misused as puking-sack for stress. They are more trained to wield... and not protest after all (not me).

Or partners that say, why learn/work so much, you will soon getting kids, spend time with me... whatever BS.

BS as when it's the other way around it is assumed the females will be o.K. with it when the males do not spent similar time for each other, if the male deems it necessary (o.K., I know there are other too, but still too often it is so too)

 

The pool is clearly not matching to the gender %, but it's time to at least not discourage females and minorities to even try, to give them opportunities to evolve and so on.

 

I am now working at a school, incl being in the support team for pupils who soon will leave for profession-learning-time (around 3 years +/- here).

And I am still fighting against fathers, uncles, brothers.... and the worst: grandfathers, but also mother's old way of thinking:

that is no profession for you..... blabla

 

Chess:

online a lot of females (including gamers) do not even state that they are females. Guess why.

Incl life-threatening reactions when it comes out someone is female. No joke.

 

Still wondering why some females have not the time to spent for specialised interests?

I do remember about chess teachers asking for results and type of maths in school (as in the simpler maths that gets teached in the economical school, or the higher maths that gets teached in technical school) and only picking the ones with the technical school similar math background. That was in the '70/'80 or so.

At our school there is also a Chess subject (only 1 time per week, double-hour) there are also females, but the teacher didn't pick the pupils and the school I am working at is rather very modern / inclusive

I do see situations like the girls have to help with the raising of siblings whilst their brothers get driven to soccer practise still quite often.

 

To stir to more possibilities or hinder those thoughts starts way earlier than in the last couple of years before leaving school. That starts in pre-school, incl if at home someone actually gets children to do also e.g. wood working.... and includes all children in a non-excluding way.

And no matter the gender, household related work getting split up really equally, not to pick per gender which or how often and how long.

 

Are you aware about how many females never even had a drilling machine in their hand? (I mean the hand-held version).

Way too many got raised in a manner they have to rely on male help or the costly work of professionals.

How often I heard things like: if I had ever known how simple it is to screw a screw... I'd started way earlier to do so.

 

I was fortunate in my childhood (a lot was not great), no one was really interested and as such no one bothered to tell me why technical professions is not for the females... As the oldest I did all the repairs very early on, I never wasn't even aware about that is not typical for girls then. But without the repairs I would have e.g. had to wash the clothes of the complete family in the bath-tub per hand as an example (different parts of the washing machine broke down, oven broke down, we did a lot of moving, changing furniture, strengthening furniture,.... = that was the beginning), I got very good and fast with repairs..... incl later on repairing the most myself (I never do breaks) for my cars and motorcycles. Or building my furniture by myself since decades.

 

Sadly nowadays even the males too often have no clue how to do that or.... also

 

As long as the bigger, louder, more aggressive appearing male gets automatically the chances, as long as females get teached to wield, to be a cause os stress (emotional blackmail is very common still) when trying to aim for another goal,.... getting called bad names or worse, as long as it is not normal to let both genders and.. even try early on, as long there is no equal pool

 

 

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50 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

Obviously view counts trumps the ratio. Nobody said otherwise. But a bad ratio can very clearly hint us towards a less than expected opening weekend/audience reception. It doesn't matter what the audience split is, from videos I've tracked. It's a numbers game. I would be far more confident in Captain Marvel "breaking out" if the like/dislike ratio was above 30-1. Right now, it's getting average reception using my metrics.

Maybe it's because my English is mostly self-trained, sometimes I read a post and to me it sounds as meant 'absolute', in this case 'only this detail will be causing...'

 

I never expect OW,.... I think its fun for the people who want to play that game but never saw any sense in it for myself (like as I approach and analyse the BO details - not meant in any way negatively about hose that do want to play the guessing game)

 

Tracking IMHO has shown some rules if all is average (e.g. movies within a certain genre, aiming for certain age/gender groups, those aimed for audience getting what they want in a 7.5 to 8.5 out of 10 way), no genre breaking surprises.... released without scandal to the right time.... = I think there are possibilities to use the models quite nicely.

 

But if the movie is a surprise (positive or negative), if the advertised for product is seen as something else and the aimed for audience is maybe not the correct one, if the mood in the movie does not invited for repeat viewings as too sad or.... if translations are badly done... something big happened,....

all that will also influence the OW, not only the final results

Then I think the calculation models are not as usable

 

And I still think that movies e.g. aimed for females (too), minorities depending on which ones (teen male Asian not the same as 70y old female PoC with a story about the '60) show other general patterns - including the like dislike ratio 😉 

 

About CM:

I think there is a big possibility that some will be surprised. I mean the movie, not the OW

I am a bit afraid about CGI, as I am theorising that Marvel has access to a certain amount of companies for that, but if there is another release with to be expected higher numbers.... the bigger ones will get in a pinch the better ones, more modern ones, more resources.

I thought sso long before the release of BP bttw.

I am also a bit afraid about the 'power-posing' detail. I do not see the need for that. But I am afraid GA is too used to that as the average character has other bases (see earlier army... examples), they might not accept that. If there is really a 'lack' (pfft) of it in the movie.

A solo flying pilot is not automatically a teamleader.

She might be a loner for some parts of the movie I think.

 

But also that the exceptions are too high. Ppl get seemingly too often too used to the extremer results in especially of the MCU movies. One of the reasons I am really happy about Ant-Man sub-series being not that big.

 

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11 hours ago, ChipMunky said:

So 18% of critics on RT are black? Considering RT rounds up reviews from mainly US and UK sources that number seems normal. 12.5% of the USA population is black, another 12% Hispanic according to Google meaning 75% of people living in the US are white. 

 

In the UK only 3% of the population are black, looking at these stats 82% of critics being white seems absolutely normal and falls inline with the population of these countries. 

 

As for women there have been countless studies which show how alot of women tend to abandon their careers in favour of starting a family. 43% of women with children leave their jobs.

 

Americans always make the mistake of making stats about literally everything without ever thinking about dissecting these stats to come up with a more accurate reason. 

 

so yes, delusional was exactly the word I was looking for

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13 hours ago, ChipMunky said:

 

This is a very ignorant take.

 

Sure, anyone can be a movie critic. Nobody is saying that. But why are the VAST majority of "reputable" critics male, and white? Do you ever wonder that? It's because they get more opportunities for advancement and promotion. The tide is slowly, slowly, slowly shifting to more diverse critics getting more opportunities. But we're a long way off of that, because people hate change unless you force it.

again, the vast majority of people living in the UK and US are white. combined it's actually 12.5% of people living in both countries combined are black so no I've never wondered that because it's blindingly obvious why. You're not going to have an even split when the population doesn't support that.

 

On the promotion side I bring up a females lifestyle again. to climb up the cooperation ladder you have to be committed, it's competitive getting to the top so it's no surprise more men are up there as most women as some point in their lives will take time off to raise a family, how does this even need explaining?

 

seriously guys I thought you were smarter than this 

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1 hour ago, Jessie said:

again, the vast majority of people living in the UK and US are white. combined it's actually 12.5% of people living in both countries combined are black so no I've never wondered that because it's blindly obvious why. You're not going to have an even split when the population doesn't support that.

 

On the promotion side I bring up a females lifestyle again. to climb up the cooperation ladder you have to be committed, it's competitive getting to the top so it's no surprise more men are up there as most women as some point in their lives will take time off to raise a family, how does this even need explaining?

 

seriously guys I thought you were smarter than this 

One reason why actually the 'white' ppl in the US are reacting in such an extreme excluding. law breaking and undemocratic way is, that they will be soon under 50% of the population.

In 2010 72% got counted as white, but:

Officially white includes a lot of minorities which the 'real' (puke) whites do not see as white.

Like Middle East and North Africa. Or the mixed ones. And the at least parts of the Hispanic based ones..

Reality in 2010 were ~ 60% 'whites' (w/o 'Latinos', but incl the other minorities, means a bit above 50% 'real' whites at best), % declining more fast than earlier projected

Earlier this was assumed:

Generation Z is majorly non-white

will happening in 2023 earliest, reality is its happening since ~ 2016/17

 

Guess why Trump wants to change the 14th Amendment see

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Or voting list purges, or e.g gotten thrown out beside having fighting as soldiers for the US army for over 10y without any blemish, children get illegally adopted away from their parents still beside the courts ordered to reunite them, why parents have to sign illegal papers to get their children back, that papers including the write-away of the rights of their legally being US citizens children....

They are afraid to loose control

 

Plus there are more ppl like Asian, native Indian, mixed,… btw there are not lot of 100% whites in the US according to the momentarily so loved gen-tests

 

Not sure where you got the numbers, they are not matching with any governmental ones I know about..

 

And again, free-lancing means way too often ~ blackmail conditions like bad payment,.... and so on, there are always several details to look up for, not only one.

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2 hours ago, Jessie said:

again, the vast majority of people living in the UK and US are white. combined it's actually 12.5% of people living in both countries combined are black so no I've never wondered that because it's blindly obvious why. You're not going to have an even split when the population doesn't support that.

 

On the promotion side I bring up a females lifestyle again. to climb up the cooperation ladder you have to be committed, it's competitive getting to the top so it's no surprise more men are up there as most women as some point in their lives will take time off to raise a family, how does this even need explaining?

 

seriously guys I thought you were smarter than this 

Start to do reserch why they do not climb in reality before assuming they do not want to or wuldn't be committd under equal situations

 

Why does this have to be pointed out again?

Smarter... you are not

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19 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

One reason why actually the 'white' ppl in the US are reacting in such an extreme excluding. law breaking and undemocratic way is, that they will be soon under 50% of the population.

 

 

In 2010 72% got counted as white, but:

 

 

Officially white includes a lot of minorities which the 'real' (puke) whites do not see as white.

 

 

Like Middle East and North Africa. Or the mixed ones. And the at least parts of the Hispanic based ones..

 

 

Reality in 2010 were ~ 60% 'whites' (w/o 'Latinos', but incl the other minorities, means a bit above 50% 'real' whites at best), % declining more fast than earlier projected

 

 

Earlier this was assumed:

 

 

Generation Z is majorly non-white

 

 

will happening in 2023 earliest, reality is its happening since ~ 2016/17

 

 

 

 

 

Guess why Trump wants to change the 14th Amendment see

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

 

Or voting list purges, or e.g gotten thrown out beside having fighting as soldiers for the US army for over 10y without any blemish, children get illegally adopted away from their parents still beside the courts ordered to reunite them, why parents have to sign illegal papers to get their children back, that papers including the write-away of the rights of their legally being US citizens children....

They are afraid to loose control

 

Plus there are more ppl like Asian, native Indian, mixed,… btw there are not lot of 100% whites in the US according to the momentarily so loved gen-tests

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure where you got the numbers, they are not matching with any governmental ones I know about..

 

 

 

 

 

And again, free-lancing means way too often ~ blackmail conditions like bad payment,.... and so on, there are always several details to look up for, not only one.

 

 

 

I really don't care about Donald trump and his way as I'm not American, I'm talking about 'diversity amongst critics' only

 

According to 2 sources non Hispanic whites make up 60% of the population so I don't know where you're getting 50% from

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/393322-americas-white-population-shrinking-as-nation-ages%3famp

 

combined with the UK you're looking at close to 70% of the overall population of both countries combined to be white (not white/Hispanic/Asian etc) so 22% of critics being of foreign origin really isn't a vast difference in comparison to the populations here. 8% really isn't anything to cry over and certainly doesn't scream discrimination. 

 

find me a source that says it's 50% 

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23 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Start to do reserch why they do not climb in reality before assuming they do not want to or wuldn't be committd under equal situations

 

Why does this have to be pointed out again?

Smarter... you are not

I've done plenty of research, fact is most women get pregnant and a hell of alot of married couples consist of the male working 9-5 whilst the female spends years taking care of the children which one could argue is the most important job out of the lot. 

 

you say you're married, do you have children? and do you gave a job?

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16 hours ago, PANDA said:

Except to actually have a decent paying job as a critic, you need an outlet to hire you.  That's where the racial and gender discrimination comes in.  

You have not adressed what the actress said.

 

She did not say we need more diversity in critics

 

 

She said

 

That white male reviewers have less value when they review  films about diversity.

 

The issue is that a largely white critic pool has give minority based films positive reviews galore.

 

Wrinkle in time got bad reviews as it was a flawed fulm not because it was diverse.

 

 

So i welcome more diversity inn critics but i do not see any real evidence "them white critics are racist"

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Just now, Jessie said:

 

According to 2 sources non Hispanic whites make up 60% of the population so I don't know where you're getting 50% from

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/393322-americas-white-population-shrinking-as-nation-ages%3famp

 

combined with the UK you're looking at close to 70% of the overall population of both countries combined to be white (not white/Hispanic/Asian etc) so 22% of critics being of foreign origin really isn't a vast difference in comparison to the populations here. 8% really isn't anything to cry over and certainly doesn't scream discrimination. 

 

find me a source that says it's 50% 

Where I got it from? I read every day news all over the world. I knew about these developments since many years, including old projections and updated projections..... and waited for 'them' to react like they do now also since years.

 

Btw, I didn't say it is 50%

I wrote

Reality in 2010 were ~ 60% 'whites' (w/o 'Latinos', but incl the other minorities, means a bit above 50% 'real' whites at best), % declining more fast than earlier projected

I spoke about how people that see themself as 'true' white do not count all as white that got counted as white in the Census and so on

What is not clear about that?

 

Read up about what white is in the POV of those official counts (I am pretty sure my post is already clear enough), also about how their list that include and exclude only the 'Latino'/Hispanic parts of the 'white lists, but not Middle Eastern North Afrika,..... then read my posts again = 'nough said

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Jessie said:

I've done plenty of research, fact is most women get pregnant and a hell of alot of married couples consist of the male working 9-5 whilst the female spends years taking care of the children which one could argue is the most important job out of the lot. 

 

you say you're married, do you have children? and do you gave a job?

But do they really want to? Without research for the reasons that does not say anything

Usually there is a lot of pressure early on to stay at home and or....., plus companies do not give a lot of chances for newly mothers, faring child illness and so on, outside of 'simple jobs'

 

I have and I work.

50h per week is not seldom, sometimes even more, somtimes less (depends on the projekt I am working for) I did take a 2y time-out but during that time I literally co-build our house (outside walls, windows and roof were done by professionals, floors were only done as rough ground by them) with a then 2y-old beside me. Plus helped my self-emplyed husband during that time too

Fortunatly I do not sleep a lot (2h per day in average)

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31 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

But do they really want to? Without research for the reasons that does not say anything

Usually there is a lot of pressure early on to stay at home and or....., plus companies do not give a lot of chances for newly mothers, faring child illness and so on, outside of 'simple jobs'

 

I have and I work.

50h per week is not seldom, sometimes even more, somtimes less (depends on the projekt I am working for) I did take a 2y time-out but during that time I literally co-build our house (outside walls, windows and roof were done by professionals, floors were only done as rough ground by them) with a then 2y-old beside me. Plus helped my self-emplyed husband during that time too

Fortunatly I do not sleep a lot (2h per day in average)

Do they want to? That all comes down to the individual. I'd say alot are happy doing that but i can only speak on behalf of my partner, my mother and pretty much all the housewives she meets for coffee every day. I see alot of happy housewives where I'm from. Men supplying the bread and butter whilst the partner makes the house a home and takes care of the children is extremely common. Maybe men don't want to be the ones working all week and would rather the housewife job? I can understand certain jobs not wanting to take on some women who are likely about to start a family, for example my business only has 3 people working here and if we hired another employee we wouldn't want to risk them having time off, afterall we want someone who is guaranteed to work all year round. Big businesses can afford to take that risk more than smaller companies. Example if I had a male and female applying for a job with he same qualifications but the female said she s likely to be taken time off to raise a family then obviously the male is getting the job.

 

you said it yourself,  you had 2 years off, now imagine you were working for a company trying to climb to the top but you took 2 years out, that's 2 years where other workers are likely to climb higher in their career, it can set you back and I don't think that's discrimination, I think it's just unfair that women have the short end of the stick by being the ones who give birth. Biology is to blame here.

 

on a side note building your own house is extremely satisfying and I know it's alot of work, doing that with kids running wild must have been a nightmare so kudos. I bought my first house at 23 and spent 2 years getting it to how I wanted it and when you see how much money you've made from it it's a nice feeling. I'm moving out soon and plan on doing it all again. Only thing I can't really do on my own is plaster, tried it once and the wall looked like a cheese grater lol

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2 hours ago, Lordmandeep said:

You have not adressed what the actress said.

 

She did not say we need more diversity in critics

 

 

She said

 

That white male reviewers have less value when they review  films about diversity.

 

The issue is that a largely white critic pool has give minority based films positive reviews galore.

 

Wrinkle in time got bad reviews as it was a flawed fulm not because it was diverse.

 

 

So i welcome more diversity inn critics but i do not see any real evidence "them white critics are racist"

I was talking about diversity in film criticism, not still being butthurt about a nearly year old tweet.

 

Granted, you do seem like the type to continually rant about things that happened a long time in the past.

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42 minutes ago, PANDA said:

I was talking about diversity in film criticism, not still being butthurt about a nearly year old tweet.

 

Granted, you do seem like the type to continually rant about things that happened a long time in the past.

The issue is her flawed viewpoint is one that some users on here think is 100% right so it is valid to bring it up and one cannot ignore as it shows the flaw of individuals who support 'your side'. 

 

The problem is that there is no real case or evidence that the lack of diversity with critics has lead to films with diversity to get bad reviews from critics from 'out of touch white people'.  That is something some users on here and the actress have tried to push with nothing to back up that statement. 

 

My point it is great to have more diversity with critics but there was never a serious racism or sexism issue in the first place with critic reviews. 

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6 hours ago, Jessie said:

Do they want to? That all comes down to the individual. I'd say a lot are happy doing that but i can only speak on behalf of my partner, my mother and pretty much all the housewives she meets for coffee every day. I see a lot of happy housewives where I'm from. Men supplying the bread and butter whilst the partner makes the house a home and takes care of the children is extremely common. Maybe men don't want to be the ones working all week and would rather the housewife job? I can understand certain jobs not wanting to take on some women who are likely about to start a family, for example my business only has 3 people working here and if we hired another employee we wouldn't want to risk them having time off, afterall we want someone who is guaranteed to work all year round. Big businesses can afford to take that risk more than smaller companies. Example if I had a male and female applying for a job with he same qualifications but the female said she s likely to be taken time off to raise a family then obviously the male is getting the job.

 

you said it yourself,  you had 2 years off, now imagine you were working for a company trying to climb to the top but you took 2 years out, that's 2 years where other workers are likely to climb higher in their career, it can set you back and I don't think that's discrimination, I think it's just unfair that women have the short end of the stick by being the ones who give birth. Biology is to blame here.

 

on a side note building your own house is extremely satisfying and I know it's alot of work, doing that with kids running wild must have been a nightmare so kudos. I bought my first house at 23 and spent 2 years getting it to how I wanted it and when you see how much money you've made from it it's a nice feeling. I'm moving out soon and plan on doing it all again. Only thing I can't really do on my own is plaster, tried it once and the wall looked like a cheese grater lol

In my experience only a small % of females tell even about not being happy about that detail. I learned to approach that theme in a one-on-one way, also to make way longer clear about not being judgemental if someone wants to do something else.

 

 

One reason is, they are afraid to count as bad moms..... also they learned to not be 'fill in the usual bad names' for wanting something outside the box.

It goes usually deep, sometimes they need years to bring up certain themes. If at all. That includes 'bed-details' too btw.

 

I do also know males who'd actually would like to try out as staying at home dads, but guess what? Way too many males and females make fun of them still Sadly.

= in the sum its about too many ppl clinging on old structures, mostly not even realising them blocking others.

 

About work: I was too high, it wasn't really a set-back for me. Funnily I never aimed for a high position, for me it was about finding solutions, like a difficult puzzle/mystery, Fodder for the brain 😉 

I got promoted several times without asking /  trying for it. I can not stand to do something that feels wrong = I ask / try to find out if that custom made system (e.g. city halls, TV sound studios,...) really needs this or that done in that way. In nearly all cases I asked, there were big mistakes in the planning, up to the whole system getting thrown away before me. Hence the reason I got promoted repeatedly (plus I can do an ass-kicking if someone tries to not do the job, tries to pick the best parts, tries to be a bully and so on. If I want to)

 

I later changed professions based on an accident (caused by a drunk neighbour - that's life too) I could have done the desk-work part still (was at the time a high % out of my workday), but only desk-work is too boring for my taste.

 

I can do stonewall and the lighter ones, plaster/rough-cast & screed, tiles, construction/supporting (term?) work, static planning too, the most of the electric work (some I am forbidden to do without certain papers), all work relating to water,... I am not good on ladders for several reasons. Can weld a bit.

 

But I love to plan and build my own furniture the most. Or planning all from house to gardens,.... for friends, Always something new to learn.

Hubby has learned a lot (he was in a way an artist / city-slicker before my time), now he even restores an classic car by himself. I am very proud of him for that and how much he learned during the house building time. Especially as he couldn't do a lot in the early years e.g. based on a bad double disc prolapse and as such could have avoided to try to catch up later on.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Jessie said:

So 18% of critics on RT are black? Considering RT rounds up reviews from mainly US and UK sources that number seems normal. 12.5% of the USA population is black, another 12% Hispanic according to Google meaning 75% of people living in the US are white. 

 

In the UK only 3% of the population are black, looking at these stats 82% of critics being white seems absolutely normal and falls inline with the population of these countries. 

 

As for women there have been countless studies which show how alot of women tend to abandon their careers in favour of starting a family. 43% of women with children leave their jobs.

 

Americans always make the mistake of making stats about literally everything without ever thinking about dissecting these stats to come up with a more accurate reason. 

 

so yes, delusional was exactly the word I was looking for

 

Only about 62% of the US is white. Of course you're ok with the critic split to be 82%, you have no sense of anything it seems.

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6 hours ago, Jessie said:

again, the vast majority of people living in the UK and US are white. combined it's actually 12.5% of people living in both countries combined are black so no I've never wondered that because it's blindingly obvious why. You're not going to have an even split when the population doesn't support that.

 

On the promotion side I bring up a females lifestyle again. to climb up the cooperation ladder you have to be committed, it's competitive getting to the top so it's no surprise more men are up there as most women as some point in their lives will take time off to raise a family, how does this even need explaining?

 

seriously guys I thought you were smarter than this 

 

Lord this is sexist as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK

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59 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said:

The issue is her flawed viewpoint is one that some users on here think is 100% right so it is valid to bring it up and one cannot ignore as it shows the flaw of individuals who support 'your side'. 

 

The problem is that there is no real case or evidence that the lack of diversity with critics has lead to films with diversity to get bad reviews from critics from 'out of touch white people'.  That is something some users on here and the actress have tried to push with nothing to back up that statement. 

 

My point it is great to have more diversity with critics but there was never a serious racism or sexism issue in the first place with critic reviews. 

 

That's. Not. What. She. Said.

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6 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

 

Only about 62% of the US is white. Of course you're ok with the critic split to be 82%, you have no sense of anything it seems.

actually it's higher than 62% when you take the UK into consideration too

 

5 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

 

Lord this is sexist as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK

it's a statistical fact that women take time off to raise kids. Calling someone sexist over bringing this important bit of information up is counter productive. leave the debates to terrestrial because you are obviously thick as shit kid

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5 minutes ago, ChipMunky said:

 

That's. Not. What. She. Said.

 

 

Then why would anyone or anybody get offended about white people reviewing films about diversity? 

 

She did not say "I would like to see more diverse viewpoints"

 

She Said "I dont care what they have to say".

 

That is a clear distinction and a deeply flawed and troubling one. 

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