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GODZILLA vs. KONG | May 21 2021 | Adam Wingard to direct

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Lol @ folks asking for great story telling in gvk. Like seriously there is no scope of story telling there. It will be a video game moving from one set piece to another with humans doing stupid things. 

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11 hours ago, Macleod said:

 

RESHOOTS FORTHCOMING!

 

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I think i said it in the KOTM threads or maybe here that after the poor performance of KOTM, folks in charge will panic and there will be turmoil behind the scenes on GvK. Lots of fighting in editing and possibly reshoots to add more human stuff or improve on that or cut some expensive set pieces and replace with cheap ones to save on cgi money. It's all happening. 

Nov/Dec 2020 would be solid. Will give it some breathing space and maybe help it go past 500M ww if it ends up positively reviewed.

 

 

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The suggestions here that they should sell it to Netflix is ridiculous. It is definitely not how contracts and licensing works (Unless Netflix was to somehow offer a mind boggling amount of money to cover everything). Makes me wonder if anyone else here even follows the movie industry.

 

First off, GvK has already been worked on and finished filming in April. Secondly, money doesn't magically vanish like that into something else. It has already been spent on sets, cgi costs, salaries, etc. More pickup shots will happen but it is fairly common in the movie industry. "Reshoots" are done literally all the time but people assume its evil. If they want to add more monster fights that’s will be all done in post-production but it's up to Legendary if they want to change it up. 

 

I have more faith in Rossio's script than Wingard tbh. If the delay happens 2020 December does seem way more reasonable than March in terms of competitors. 

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1 hour ago, Darth Lehnsherr said:

I wonder if the WB execs who were there for the BvS/JL debacle are having a sense of deja vu. 

Probably. A sequel to a panned underperforming film a year later is always a recipe for disaster. 

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8 minutes ago, BoxOfficeZ said:

The suggestions here that they should sell it to Netflix is ridiculous. It is definitely not how contracts and licensing works (Unless Netflix was to somehow offer a mind boggling amount of money to cover everything). Makes me wonder if anyone else here even follows the movie industry.

 

First off, GvK has already been worked on and finished filming in April. Secondly, money doesn't magically vanish like that into something else. It has already been spent on sets, cgi costs, salaries, etc. More pickup shots will happen but it is fairly common in the movie industry. "Reshoots" are done literally all the time but people assume its evil. If they want to add more monster fights that’s will be all done in post-production but it's up to Legendary if they want to change it up. 

 

I have more faith in Rossio's script than Wingard tbh. If the delay happens 2020 December does seem way more reasonable than March in terms of competitors. 

I've followed the film industry for 13 years and know countless people who work in it. There is recent precedent for a major studio selling a film off to streaming to cut losses: that's what Paramount did with Annihilation. There were also contracts and licensing rights (it was a book adaptation) and such involved there as there are in any production. Guess what, studios have armies of lawyers and if Warners decides that it's the best course of action to avoid a $100m loss flop, then they will do what they have to go down that route. It might also help both franchises long-term by avoiding the stink of a mega bomb released in theatres. 

 

I only think they would consider this if the film is AWFUL though. If the Warner Bros execs look at it and they realize they're looking at a sub 30% RT disaster that will not only bomb but disappoint fans massively, then it might make sense to do that. If the film is solid like Skull Island was then I doubt they'd ever think about putting it on streaming.

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People keep forgetting that a major studio movie was sold to Netflix...it was called The Jungle Book...renamed as Mowgli.

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I dont think GvK is a very comparable situation to that of Annihilation & Mowgli. 

 

Even with the downright disappointing BO of KOTM, its still on track for at least $350M...couple that with K:SI's $566M gross and Im sure WB/Legendary are banking on name value to pique audience interest. 

 

Given that behind-the-scenes clashes of Annihilation involved conflicts as to making it more GA-friendly & less "complicated"...at least whoevers behind GvK know theyre trying to make a GA-friendly, action-heavy blockbuster with loads of licensing opportunities in the mix. GA appeal is something both WB/Legendary suits would want for something like this.

 

Mowgli had its own issue of figuring out just who its intended audience was, as no matter its quality...BO comparisons to Disney's version would always pop up. 

 

Just my two cents. 

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EVERY franchise has a box office disappointment. You don’t just throw in the towel. Plus Legendary literally has nothing else(besides Pokémon now). KotM still has a shot at 400 WW.. disappointing but also nothing to sneeze at.

 

Like I said, KotM was a Godzilla fans dream that didn’t stick with the GA. I would say G14 was definitely more a GA friendly film(despite the flaws we’ve all heard).

 

GvsKong IS a novelty film. That alone will make it a success. They will have to find that balance to make it for the GA and fans. The Netflix stuff is dumb.. enough of that. 

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1 hour ago, Cookson said:

EVERY franchise has a box office disappointment. You don’t just throw in the towel. Plus Legendary literally has nothing else(besides Pokémon now). KotM still has a shot at 400 WW.. disappointing but also nothing to sneeze at.

 

Like I said, KotM was a Godzilla fans dream that didn’t stick with the GA. I would say G14 was definitely more a GA friendly film(despite the flaws we’ve all heard).

 

GvsKong IS a novelty film. That alone will make it a success. They will have to find that balance to make it for the GA and fans. The Netflix stuff is dumb.. enough of that. 

Spot on ... GvK Might change the box office dimension of Monsterverse 

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18 minutes ago, Sunny Max said:

Spot on ... GvK Might change the box office dimension of Monsterverse 

Hope so. I think audiences want more of a rollicking adventure like Skull Island than what the two Godzilla flicks have been... Make that change and there's hope.

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Skull Island worked because it was a popcorn adventure romp constricted to a survival scenario within a time and space unity.

 

The last two Godzilla movies are too meandering, the focus is loose. You feel the movie slumming it whenever Godzilla is not on-screen. Skull Island really scaled King Kong's presence better over the span of the movie. 

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27 minutes ago, JohnnyGossamer said:

Hope so. I think audiences want more of a rollicking adventure like Skull Island than what the two Godzilla flicks have been... Make that change and there's hope.

yeah Lets hope for the best ...

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How much does GvK cost? Anywhere between 175 to 200m? Would Netflix ever pay that amount of money for it? I doubt it.

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11 minutes ago, cookie said:

How much does GvK cost? Anywhere between 175 to 200m? Would Netflix ever pay that amount of money for it? I doubt it.

should be around $175 M to $200 M .. 

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Why isn't it called Godzilla vs King Kong? Am I right in thinking WB is not allowed to use the name King Kong in the title?

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why would this not bomb? it has the same shitty cast that audience didn't care about first time around (where did MBB's 50M Instagram followers go? to see Aladdin?). It had supposedly iconic monsters that were money shot. Crickets from GA. Trailer had Moonlight Serenade. Music experts skipped it.

 

so why would addition of overused Kong (Skull Island didn't exactly set boxoffice on fire though it did better than really low expectations) suddenly improve the sequels chances? It won't. 

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34 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

so why would addition of overused Kong (Skull Island didn't exactly set boxoffice on fire though it did better than really low expectations) suddenly improve the sequels chances? It won't. 

I don't think even the DC threads had this much BO pessimism after the debacle of JL.

 

Adam is no James Wan and i dont think if it can have the same jump of franchise low to 1 billion dollars but you guys completely lost any hope in this thread

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44 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

why would this not bomb? it has the same shitty cast that audience didn't care about first time around (where did MBB's 50M Instagram followers go? to see Aladdin?). It had supposedly iconic monsters that were money shot. Crickets from GA. Trailer had Moonlight Serenade. Music experts skipped it.

 

so why would addition of overused Kong (Skull Island didn't exactly set boxoffice on fire though it did better than really low expectations) suddenly improve the sequels chances? It won't. 

 

Millie Bobby Brown is hardly some box office draw. Speaking just for myself I'd never heard of her before i saw the film last week. The only people who believed "iconic" monsters will draw people are the delusional Godzilla Groupies, who funnily enough have all run away from this forum after their film flopped. No one in the real world thought that audiences know who Ghidorah and Mothra are.

 

Skull Island did pretty well at the box office, if you're saying why would this do better than KOTM, well theres' your answer.

 

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14 minutes ago, Avatree said:

 

Millie Bobby Brown is hardly some box office draw. Speaking just for myself I'd never heard of her before i saw the film last week. The only people who believed "iconic" monsters will draw people are the delusional Godzilla Groupies, who funnily enough have all run away from this forum after their film flopped. No one in the real world thought that audiences know who Ghidorah and Mothra are.

 

Skull Island did pretty well at the box office, if you're saying why would this do better than KOTM, well theres' your answer.

 

:hahaha::bravo:

 

Ok, so audience likes Kong which is a plus, but doesn't care for Godzilla (and returning cast) which is a minus. so what prevails, plus or minus? :thinking:

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