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[IronJimbo]

2 minutes ago, terrestrial said:

Please save this somewhere and repost it every time someone again writes one of those $%&§$ posts about bias against or pro complete studios or so

 

Or,.. hmmmm maybe this should get added into the 'what you always wanted to know...' thingie Baumer once did?

 

Any mod here? A post recommendation?

Terrorstrial did you not read what he said? It goes as far back as 2007 for disney and includes pixar which are great movies so naturally loved by the people. Loads of average Disney movies (Dr. Strange, Thor.. etc) have critic scores which are far too high for what they are.

I'll sort out the data this weekend just watch and see

[Barnack]

4 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

I would start from 2012 onwards, would be interesting to see Disney's increase in critic score overtime relatively to it's audience score.

Don't you already have all of this, you did seem to imply you (or saw) a plot of the audience score vs critics score by studio ?

[The Futurist]

Disney makes the better films.

Not that hard to grasp, doesn't require a PhD in Biochemical Science.

[IronJimbo]

Just now, Barnack said:

I think it is somewhat well known that MC score went up over time (between 2010 and now), would need to do it because it is bound to be the case for all studio if voters didn't change.

 

Well the number at first look do show that it could be true (Has Sony average audience score relative to the critics score could be significantly bigger than Disney), it would need to be adjusted for the release date of the movie, type of movie, MPAA rating, amount of vote/reviews, etc... And even if the audience score / reviews does not match up, that would not automatically tell us about bias and the random sample would always be a bit low.

i'll try my hand at a webscraper this weekend.

 

going to need RT critic and audience, IMDB score, movie type, studio,.. MPAA.

 

 

[IronJimbo]

1 minute ago, Barnack said:

Don't you already have all of this, you did seem to imply you (or saw) a plot of the audience score vs critics score by studio ?

it's only 20 disney films vs 20 non-disney, i want to make it more thorough

[terrestrial]

6 minutes ago, Barnack said:

I think it is somewhat well known that MC score went up over time (between 2010 and now), would need to do it because it is bound to be the case for all studio if voters didn't change.

 

Well the number at first look do show that it could be true (Has Sony average audience score relative to the critics score could be significantly bigger than Disney), it would need to be adjusted for the release date of the movie, type of movie, MPAA rating, amount of vote/reviews, etc... And even if the audience score / reviews does not match up, that would not automatically tell us about bias and the random sample would always be a bit low.

Yes but it shows already that it is not all 100% bought like way too many formulate.

 

I am aware about especially action, and indies can differ highly between critics and audience, maybe there is also the possibility to look out for ... forgot the name, when e.g. Sony is the parent company, what is the general term for e.g. the specialised indie company?

Edited December 12, 2018 by terrestrial
lost some words whilst trying to correct

[IronJimbo]

2 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Disney makes the better films.

Not that hard to grasp, doesn't require a PhD in Biochemical Science.

the quality of the films in theory shouldn't effect the difference between Critic and Audience scores. Unless of course Disney simply just make films more tailored to critics, which I don't think is the case.

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, IronJimbo said:

Terrorstrial did you not read what he said? It goes as far back as 2007 for disney and includes pixar which are great movies so naturally loved by the people. Loads of average Disney movies (Dr. Strange, Thor.. etc) have critic scores which are far too high for what they are.

Pixar was the other way around, it was an example of movies not loved more by people than by the critics, that could explain why Disney studio seem to have inflated critical score versus audience score, versus the other studio.

 

Dr Strange not sure how too high it is, 7.2/10... Thor had nothing to do with Disney it was a Marvel/Paramount movie, if you find it overrated that would be a sign that Disney isn't necessarily a relevant factor here in that sensation.

[IronJimbo]

Just now, terrestrial said:

Yes but it shows already that it is not all 100% bought like way too many formulate.

 

I am aware about especially action, and indies can differ highly between critics and audience, maybe there is also the possibility to look out for ... forgot the name, when e.g. is the parent company, what is e.g. the specialised indie company?

No it doesn't.

[Barnack]

4 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Disney makes the better films.

Not that hard to grasp, doesn't require a PhD in Biochemical Science.

What would be the point of that comment in the context of the conversation about the gap between critics and audience score ?

 

Are you getting into the elitist black path discourses that critics are better than audience at evaluating movies ?

[Barnack]

1 minute ago, IronJimbo said:

No it doesn't.

 

Well yes it does, Disney has the best audience score also their average release is bigger, better budget and thus tend to be better in average, that would explain at least in part why they have in average better reviews.

[IronJimbo]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

 

Well yes it does, Disney has the best audience score also their average release is bigger, better budget and thus tend to be better in average, that would explain at least in part why they have in average better reviews.

and this shows Disney critics aren't bought? I'm not saying any data can prove that either way except for bank account details of critics or maybe expensed vacations ("early screenings") and Disney paid for hotels for critics.

Edited December 12, 2018 by IronJimbo

[terrestrial]

2 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Well yes it does, Disney has the best audience score also their average release is bigger, better budget and thus tend to be better in average, that would explain at least in part why they have in average better reviews.

They also release less, what can, but not must (see their mega-bombs), be a reason of more concentrated on one project work at a time by the people behind the scene. Even if I am not a fan of their reduced schedule big time.

MCU might be also bcs there work some ppl there that seem to have fun with the material. What can be helpful in my POV. But I still do not like 4 of those and one have not watched at all.

[LaughingEvans]

10 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

and this shows Disney critics aren't bought? I'm not saying any data can prove that either way except for bank account details of critics or maybe expensed vacations ("early screenings") and Disney paid for hotels for critics.

this is not exclusive to disney tough, all companies do this.

[Rebeccas]

13 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

and this shows Disney critics aren't bought? I'm not saying any data can prove that either way except for bank account details of critics or maybe expensed vacations ("early screenings") and Disney paid for hotels for critics.

you're fucking cray

[Barnack]

14 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

and this shows Disney critics aren't bought? I'm not saying any data can prove that either way except for bank account details of critics or maybe expensed vacations ("early screenings") and Disney paid for hotels for critics.

That was not the point you responded too:

 

 that it is not all 100% bought like way too many formulate.

 

That was the quoted sentence.

[IronJimbo]

3 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said:

this is not exclusive to disney tough, all companies do this.

yeah but if a lesser company bars you from their dinner parties and free trips it's ok because you can just go on your Disney vacation.

[AndyK]

Some big 2018 Disney Movies on RT

 

AWIT 42% Aud 28%

Nutcracker 34% Aud 37%

 

 

[Barnack]

15 minutes ago, IronJimbo said:

and this shows Disney critics aren't bought? I'm not saying any data can prove that either way except for bank account details of critics or maybe expensed vacations ("early screenings") and Disney paid for hotels for critics.

That standard no ? Liongates party after the premiere could get quite impressive apparently.

 

And Marvel before Ike Perlmutter was kicked out had the reputation to be really cheap both on award spending and critics, giving them sandwich and stuff like that.

[Rebeccas]

1 minute ago, IronJimbo said:

yeah but if a lesser company bars you from their dinner parties and free trips it's ok because you can just go on your Disney vacation.

your so called lesser companies are all owned by giant multinational conglomerates that could destroy your life faster than the mouse.