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12 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

No, Snyder has claimed that there is a rough cut of the movie that is 214 minutes long, in addition to an assembly cut that’s five hours long. Scott Mendelson assumed that the 214 minute long cut was the assembly cut, to which Snyder corrected him. 

Ok thanks, as director has often nothing to do with the assembly cut (Spielberg do it at night in is editor trailer on location every shoot day but I imagine he is one of the few), Mendelson message was a bit strange, they are usually made by the team of editors during the photography and get be watched almost immediately after the wrap party, it would mean 100% nothing in the context of the existence of a Snyder cut.

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I have no doubts just from watching past ZS films that he would of wanted an epic JL movie nearly 3 hours long if he had his way. His cut of BvS was 3 hours long and JL had way to explain then BvS. 
 

Wether WB wanted that or not is a different storey. and Wether his cut of the movie is nearly done or not I have no idea but that run time doesn’t lead me to believe anything one way or another. 

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7 minutes ago, dudalb said:

There are an awful lot of different takes of the same scene in assembly cut and a major job of the director and editor is too choose which take it best.

Really not sure that what in assembly cut is, footage will be say 80 hours, the assembly cut of said footage will be 4, the final movie will be 2.

 

The assembly cut is still somewhat trying to be a movie, you do not see the actor saying the same sentence with different coverage and different take of it.

 

The name kind of says it all—an assembly cut is a very rough version of the movie that's been put together by the editor during production, and it strings together every single scene that was shot. This is not a releasable version of a movie, but instead is more akin to a rough draft of what the final product will be

 

It is just that you have all the shoot scenes and they are not trimmed down.

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3 minutes ago, cax16 said:

I have no doubts just from watching past ZS films that he would of wanted an epic JL movie nearly 3 hours long if he had his way. His cut of BvS was 3 hours long and JL had way to explain then BvS. 
 

Wether WB wanted that or not is a different storey. and Wether his cut of the movie is nearly done or not I have no idea but that run time doesn’t lead me to believe anything one way or another. 

WB clearly wanted a movie that was as short and inoffensive as possible. That’s why they gave it a two hour mandate, which is absolutely insane if the rough cut was three and a half hours long. 

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Zack Snyder wouldn't want audiences to see an unfinished, assembly cut of his film. If he's encouraging the release, it's clear to me it's ready.

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5 minutes ago, WittyUsername said:

WB clearly wanted a movie that was as short and inoffensive as possible. That’s why they gave it a two hour mandate, which is absolutely insane if the rough cut was three and a half hours long. 

Ya they obviously saw what Zack did and didn’t like it and I assume that’s why he was let go and they brought JW in and made the movie 2 hours. 

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7 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

Zack Snyder wouldn't want audiences to see an unfinished, assembly cut of his film. If he's encouraging the release, it's clear to me it's ready.

He could be loving the attention around it, convention crowd and so on, thus the speaking in metaphor and pictures. He could also be wanting a couple of millions of dollar and the right to finish it (some sound mix, some VFX, color grading touch, etc...).

 

Assembly cut is the weeks after the shoots, it really quickly become a rough cut.

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And, frankly, though there is plenty of blame for both Snyder and Whedon for the mess that was JL, a lot of what was wrong with the film was clearly Snyder's doing. A number of scenes had all the flaws of Snyder previous work.

I think the Snyder cut is not anywhere near ready for release, and Snyder is saying it is in hopes of drumming up enough support to convince Warners to give him the money to finish it. That is not an unheard of tactic in the film industry.

If the rought cut is 214 minutes, guaranteed it needs work.

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11 minutes ago, dudalb said:

And, frankly, though there is plenty of blame for both Snyder and Whedon for the mess that was JL, a lot of what was wrong with the film was clearly Snyder's doing. A number of scenes had all the flaws of Snyder previous work.

I think the Snyder cut is not anywhere near ready for release, and Snyder is saying it is in hopes of drumming up enough support to convince Warners to give him the money to finish it. That is not an unheard of tactic in the film industry.

If the rought cut is 214 minutes, guaranteed it needs work.

Unless a movie is meant to see a wide theatrical release, having a three and a half hour runtime shouldn’t matter. That’s the same length as the Ultimate Cut of Watchmen. 

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55 minutes ago, DlAMONDZ said:

Lmaoooo

LMao at who?

Mednalson is right, an assembly cut is basically all the footage shot for a film assembled in order for the first time. it is almost always vastly longer then the rough cut, let alone the final film.

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1 hour ago, dudalb said:

LMao at who?

Mednalson is right, an assembly cut is basically all the footage shot for a film assembled in order for the first time. it is almost always vastly longer then the rough cut, let alone the final film.

Is statement is strange in many way.

 

An assembly cut is far from all the footage shot for a film, some movie have over 200 hours of films, now with multiple digital camera filming at the same time I would imagine 500 hours could occur (looking it up, Fury Road kept a big 480 hours of footage usable for the editors, the assembly cut is not 480 hours long with anyone watching that).

 

It is made by the team of editors a lot of choice/works goes into making it.

 

There is often no link at all between the assembly cut and the director of the movie (Nolan and many other famously do not ever watch the assembly cut before starting their own cut, just small part of it and go back to the footage bank that exist as they go, they are so terrible that they can demoralize, they put the editors choice in your head and so on) it is something that exist just for a very short amount of time when the photography is done, why would he bring the assembly cut in the conversation, it does not make sense.

 

 

 

 

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If they can’t be bothered to release the Snyder Cut, I’d at least like to be able to read the script that was written before WB got all reactionary with BvS.

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4 hours ago, dudalb said:

LMao at who?

Mednalson is right, an assembly cut is basically all the footage shot for a film assembled in order for the first time. it is almost always vastly longer then the rough cut, let alone the final film.

What are you even arguing here? Mendelson insinuated the assembly cut was 3 hours, Snyder corrected him and said it was 5 hours

 

Scott himself admitted his mistake

 

 

 

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I don't blame Snyder nor Whedon for JL being a clusterfuck. That falls on WB's shoulders and their's alone

 

WB threw out Snyder and Terrio's original plans and basically ghost directed from there on and when they didn't like what they saw the panicked like they always do

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3 minutes ago, DlAMONDZ said:

I don't blame Snyder nor Whedon for JL being a clusterfuck. That falls on WB's shoulders and their's alone

 

WB threw out Snyder and Terrio's original plans and basically ghost directed from there on and when they didn't like what they saw the panicked like they always do

The funniest thing to me is how WB apparently mandated that Steppenwolf’s design be changed, because they thought the concept art of the character looked too scary or something. 

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46 minutes ago, DlAMONDZ said:

I don't blame Snyder nor Whedon for JL being a clusterfuck. That falls on WB's shoulders and their's alone

 

WB threw out Snyder and Terrio's original plans and basically ghost directed from there on and when they didn't like what they saw the panicked like they always do

I think the fatal mistake was scheduling JL to start filming just a month after BvS opened...given them no time to make changes after seeing how BvS was received. That was plain old stupid.

It gave them no time to replace Snyder as a director..which is what they should have done if they did not like the reception of BvS,

Plenty of blame for Warners, but maybe Snyder and Terrio's plans for the movie..making is as much like BvS as possible...sucked also?

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