HeadShot Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 26 minutes ago, IronJimbo said: "Disney has no influence over critics" Critics' Darling is Star Wars: The Last Jedi... an arthouse piece the masses simply don't understand! Except Last Jedi was targeted by alt right trolls LOL. Disney has plenty of PANNED movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dxmatrixdt Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 2010s Painkiller Race said: would these psychics in Akira be like Yoda hovering around you if you were training to be a Jedi. Jedi training wasn't easy, and it looks like they are trying to spoof authority with them in Akira your safest bet would be through the planet core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyK Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 hours ago, HeadShot said: Except Last Jedi was targeted by alt right trolls LOL. Disney has plenty of PANNED movies. So Roz Weston is an Alt right troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 19 hours ago, HeadShot said: Except Last Jedi was targeted by alt right trolls LOL. Disney has plenty of PANNED movies. Disney manipulates the critics!!! (Yet rotten ratings for summer tent poles The Lion King and Aladdin.) Disney fudges the box office!!! (Yet Dumbo, Solo, Nutcracker, Christopher Robin take a bath.) This growing insistence on conspiracy theories to explain away facts that threaten one’s worldview is corrosive and cheapens meaningful dialogue. If Avatar 2 breaks box office records and scores with critics while being distributed by Disney, I am sure you’ll be the first one to call the reviews bought and the box office fudged... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, AndyK said: So Roz Weston is an Alt right troll? Pointing to a negative rant by someone who isn’t an alt right troll does not disqualify the fact that The Last Jedi was bombed by alt right trolls. https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/7/18254548/film-review-sites-captain-marvel-bombing-changes-rotten-tomatoes-letterboxd Edited August 17, 2019 by Kjtc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingEvans Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Kjtc said: Pointing to a negative rant by someone who isn’t an alt right troll does not disqualify the fact that The Last Jedi was bombed by alt right trolls. But what qualifies the alt right troll angle as a fact? Rationalization on the part of people who did like the movie is a bit skewed source of statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXR vs XXR Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 23 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said: But what qualifies the alt right troll angle as a fact? Rationalization on the part of people who did like the movie is a bit skewed source of statistics. Common sense, really. When a movie like Captain Marvel has more ratings in the first 12 hours (the vast majority of which are negative) than Infinity War had in 8 months, it's clear there was a review bomb. Applying the same to TLJ isn't much of a stretch, given the similar set of people who took issue with both 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 33 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said: But what qualifies the alt right troll angle as a fact? Rationalization on the part of people who did like the movie is a bit skewed source of statistics. The fact that Rotten Tomatoes confirmed the attack and adjusted its policies in the wake of it, as have other sites which allow for fan ratings/reviews. The review bombing isn’t an open question up for debate. It is confirmed to have happened and is an ongoing issue for films perceived to have a feminist or anti-racist agenda, and the confirmation has come from those who run the sites themselves. Thankfully, procedures have been put into place to minimize the impact of this and have movies reviewed by those verified to have seen it, or at least purchased tickets for it. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menor the Destroyer Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 TLJ was both heavily targeted by trolls and is a movie that has a bit more natural appeal to critics than audiences. If Disney was actually paying critics then where was that for Dumbo, Aladdin, or Lion King? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, VenomXXR said: Common sense, really. When a movie like Captain Marvel has more ratings in the first 12 hours (the vast majority of which are negative) than Infinity War had in 8 months, it's clear there was a review bomb. Applying the same to TLJ isn't much of a stretch, given the similar set of people who took issue with both And Black Panther as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmaster506 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Of course trolls attacked it but plenty of normal people did not like the Last Jedi. It deserves the criticism. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadShot Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Warmaster506 said: Of course trolls attacked it but plenty of normal people did not like the Last Jedi. It deserves the criticism. I know plenty of people who liked it including myself. It also sold tons on homevideo so clearly it's not as bad as you're making it seem. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJimbo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 What makes an "alt right troll vote" less worthy of than a regular vote? They're people too surely. They're allowed to dislike a movie. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingEvans Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, VenomXXR said: Common sense, really. In what way is it considered common sense to deflect from a specific point and instead project political views in order to dismiss said point? If that's considered common sense in the states, then no wonder why it's such a dumpster fire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, IronJimbo said: What makes an "alt right troll vote" less worthy of than a regular vote? They're people too surely. They're allowed to dislike a movie. It is only when they coordinate the voting (duplicate account, account created only for specific movie they want to attack/boost for some agenda), a regular movie fan, that happen to dislike Last Jedi treatment of Luke Skywalker, pace, etc... of the movie and give it a 3/10 on IMDB isn't necessailry less worthy, that not what is being talking about. 4 minutes ago, LaughingEvans said: In what way is it considered common sense to deflect from a specific point and instead project political views in order to dismiss said point? If that's considered common sense in the states, then no wonder why it's such a dumpster fire. That different conversation going on, a bit like of the 12 big movie bad trailer of the last 5 year's Ghostbuster create much more commotion for some reason, it is not about specific point about disliking or not movie (remember it is impossible to know if someone like or dislike a movie until it is expressed, that beside the point), it is how people react, are the nature of the reactions indicative of something. Murder on the Orient Express was not a good movie from a beloved franchise, I doubt many received death threat. One variable that is forgotten by many analyst is how crazy that fandom always has been, also there no doubt there was some Alt-right response to it, how relevant it is ? How much will it have happened with the same elements they attacked but with a different movie, many Marvel release were quite "SJW", filled will I guess alt-right hate it elements, the general population goodwill toward them quite overwhelmed their noise (to be fair too, I think some methodology to counts vote and so on changed since). When the movie work well with audience (Force Awaken, FuryRoad, Black Panther, EndGame), usually any alt-right campaign against them rapidly become fuzzy background noise. But, we should not get into I have a black friend I cannot be racist type, it is not because a group of people have no problem with Resident Evil or Force Awaken that their reaction to something else cannot be rooted in racism/sexist/etc... type, how you feel when people of a group do something you dislike (versus how you feel when someone you easily identify with do something you dislike) tend to be a better monitor of those tendency than when they act in ways you approve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, IronJimbo said: What makes an "alt right troll vote" less worthy of than a regular vote? They're people too surely. They're allowed to dislike a movie. They didn’t see the movie. And you know this. You’re being disingenuous. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaughingEvans Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Barnack said: how relevant it is ? That's my question exactly. In this forum people tend to discuss the movies on their merits, and unless someone identifies himself as alt-right, or outright admits he did not like a movie for political reasons, I don't see why the alt-right point is being brought into the discussion. On top of that, the term sounds hollow and jaded since it's being used in such frequency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJimbo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Kjtc said: They didn’t see the movie. And you know this. You’re being disingenuous. What? How do you know this. A lot of people saw that film, chances are a lot of these "trolls" did too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjtc Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, IronJimbo said: What? How do you know this. A lot of people saw that film, chances are a lot of these "trolls" did too. I’ve already provided a link earlier in the thread. You’re using discredited Rotten Tomatoes audience scores to promote your latest conspiracy theory about Disney buying reviews. The only reason we’re even talking about it in this thread is because you attempted to support your completely insupportable claim that Disney does this, because “look at the difference between critics and audience ratings!!!” It’s transparent. It’s tiresome. It’s disingenuous. Edited August 17, 2019 by Kjtc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorddemaxus Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Kjtc said: I’ve already provided a link earlier in the thread. You’re using discredited Rotten Tomatoes audience scores to promote your latest conspiracy theory about Disney buying reviews. The only reason we’re even talking about it in this thread is because you attempted to support your completely insupportable claim that Disney does this, because “look at the difference between critics and audience ratings!!!” It’s transparent. It’s tiresome. It’s disingenuous. Just don't take his troll bait lol. You aren't going to convince him because he's a pathetic loser who is arguing with you for "fun". 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...