The Futurist Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CoolioD1 said: I've already seen people on the interwebs complain about kylo ren not being "badass" enough because he was petulent or whatever. that's great though. dummies can't accept vulnerability in their bad guys they just want them to be "cool" and threatening. i think driver pretty much pulled off whatever it was Hayden Christensen was trying to do in SITH with this character. Fans actually have aneurisms Rey could actually defeat Kylo Ren without training & a master, the power levels are wrong and all over the place, Kylo is weak and Rey too much of a DBZ super saiyan too quick. Edited December 18, 2015 by The Futurist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elessar Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Bad news, movie is not amazing. Good news, it's good. Things that need to go in Star Wars: a protagonist's son or father is the bad guy and planet destroying super weapons - how many more times?! *yawn* Or how about someone is the son / daughter of (potentially) someone important but doesn't know it yet? So story was a little meh but it's well executed. Liked the new cast but thought Daisy overacted in a few parts (maybe it's just me). It was a pleasure to see the old cast again, however Leia felt almost like a waste. She had nothing to do. Again, good direction from JJ, movie was dynamic and had a fun pace. The scene where the lightsaber was calling to Rey was a kinda cheesy way to get some hints in there as to what happened to her as a child. Was not fond of it. Also, the transition to ordinary girl to force wielder was a little abrupt. The Solo : Ren encounter was pretty frigging good, quite suspenseful. Sadly, some random person on some Star Wars unrelated chat spoiled Solo's fate so i was prepared for what was about to happen. Good lightsaber duels, raw and powerful, not this fanciful dance / bullshit from prequels. Just some random thoughts from me... Edited December 18, 2015 by Elessar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdevidem01 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I'm finding it extremely difficult to review this film. I have spent a whole day thinking about what I thought of it, and the honest answer seems to be that it was erratic. There are things I thought were amazing & things I thought were disappointing. For me my biggest gripe is how different this felt from the positive elements of the prequels (woah hold your guns people). You guys can say 'Star Wars is OT only' till you are blue in the face but it won't change the fact that me & a lot of people from my generation were introduced to Star Wars through the prequels. I can see the flaws in the prequels as clear as day today, but they sure as hell were creative movies really only held back by Lucas' poor writing & directing skills more so than anything else. As a prequels fan (as well as an OT fan) that is disappointing. The vibrancy, insight into the world government/hierarchy (no I do not want senate negotiations but I want a better sense of a living world presented!!), creativity in locales and scale was sorely missing from TFA. All elements which I felt the prequels were mostly good at. - There was no sense of scale, no world building, no exposition...the universe wasn't fleshed out in any way. It felt really hollow. - The character designs on the whole were poor. Kylo looks like some twerp who is at a comic con convention dressed up as a fan fiction sith lord. Snoke just looks terrible, he looks like he was dragged out of middle earth and plopped into Star Wars. The rest of the aliens is Maz's place looked okay but during that scene I was just thinking 'Hey this is like the cantina scene in Ep4'. It felt phony. - That's word...phony. A lot of the movie seemed fake. It seemed manufactured in the sense that a scene from ANH was plucked out and pasted into TFA with 2015 style of film making touches added to it. Scenes like glimpses of the aliens in Maz's place, the Starkiller base attack plan scene etc. When snoke revealed the big secret to Kylo it felt phony too...cus well we have had a big father revelation moment in this series and we get it thrown in so randomly! Again it just made it feel rushed, amateurish and very fan ficy. - The movie is lacking authenticity. It is NOT its own product. It does not feel like its own movie (well maybe it did for the first act...until Jakku is left basically). - The music was boring...the most disappointing aspect to be sure. There is no Duel of Fates, Imperial March, Binary Sunset, Accross the Stars or even above average themes to be found here. - Anyway it sounds like I hate the film, but I don't at all. That is thanks to the tremendous new cast. - The brilliance of Rey, Finn, Kylo & Poe won me over. Rey & Finn being on screen is the most charm, fun & raw chemistry I've seen in a long time. Poe is so hot...*clear throat*...I mean he is very charismatic and lights up the screen . Kylo is interesting...and despite the reveal on the fatherhood being phony I am glad they had the guts to do that death! That is gonna make for a veeeeryyy interesting character arc. I feel like that will be hard to come back from. - The lightsaber battle was incredible...definitely combined the prequel & OT style...in that there was great style but also great tension. And the moment when Rey force grabs the lightsaber will be one for the ages. - BB-8 is a hero...god he stole the show in soooo many scenes! And what great chemisty he has with our new heroine Rey. So yes I looove these new characters we have been given and can't wait to see where they go from here. - Now that twist...that death...so painful...I can't believe it's happened! I wanted to cry...it felt like a fitting end for me. Too many people would want to see Han being some 'hero' or dying in a 'badass' way. I am glad this did not happen...that would have been too predictable/boring. This death...which ironically was also predictable (I mean that bridge had no railings and with how the film was aping ANH I knew he was gonna die). But the way it was done was so emotional...and the last look Han gave Kylo...urgh emotions everywhere! - Now the ending scene...it was perfect really. Made me want Ep 8 sooooo much! That scene where the camera rotated around Rey & Luke is a great one. So in total....TFA is a good film, maybe even a great film. But it''s extremely unoriginal and uninspired in terms of plot/locales. However the strong cast & overall Star Wars feel pull it through. The film does have heart and most importantly it is FUN to watch. TBH the first act (Jakku) had the film shaping up to be the greatest film in the saga as I felt like it was blending the best of Star Wars so well! But it fell apart when we got into mega 'A New Hope' fanservice circle jerk territory. 8/10 (tentative) -- Might change this after my 2nd viewing at a 2D imax screen in a few days. I won't know where it ranks in the saga until I have seen it several more times. Definitely above TPM for now. Maybe above AOTC too. That's it for now (and don't be so horrified by that statement as I really like TPM despite how pointless it is & I really really enjoy AOTC to this day ) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolioD1 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, Amadeus said: Like! I think Adam driver would have made a wonderful Anakin. His hair color matches Leias. And then we would have Kate Upton as Padme because her hair color matches Lukes. And when Lukes old and bald his hair color would be the same as Upton's shaved little cat. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart360 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Like! I think Adam driver would have made a wonderful Anakin. His hair color matches Leias. And then we would have Kate Upton as Padme because her hair color matches Lukes. And when Lukes old and bald his hair color would be the same as Upton's shaved little cat. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 9 minutes ago, Salacious Tree Crumb said: no, i couldn't figure it either, I had no idea punching wounds makes them heal? there was a shot where you saw blood come out when he punched it... is leaking blood a good thing? idk. I don't know either. It made 0 sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 There are so many random lucky events that happen because they need to happen because new characters had to meet the old cast & the Millenium Faulcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 4 minutes ago, Amadeus said: Like! I think Adam driver would have made a wonderful Anakin. His hair color matches Leias. And then we would have Kate Upton as Padme because her hair color matches Lukes. And when Lukes old and bald his hair color would be the same as Upton's shaved little cat. You are just trolling now. It is matter of time until I ban you from the thread tbh. 13 minutes ago, BKB IS CAPTAIN AMERICA said: Because most of the time, DC trailers are sloppily put together and easy to criticize.. This is not the place to talk about DC. No DC talk here, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, The Futurist said: There are so many random lucky events that happen because they need to happen because new characters had to meet the old cast & the Millenium Faulcon. There are random lucky events in EVERY movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, CJ Ren said: There are random lucky events in EVERY movie. True, the elevator in Amazing Spider Man 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, The Futurist said: True, the elevator in Amazing Spider Man 2 ? No, lets just not talk about that movie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdevidem01 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 The movie did get a clap at the end in my screening which is rare in the UK (although for some bizarre reason MJ2 got one...maybe people were happy the boredom was finally over when it ended hmmm). Guess it being a midnight screening meant HYPE HYPE HYPE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, The Futurist said: There are so many random lucky events that happen because they need to happen because new characters had to meet the old cast & the Millenium Faulcon. "I'm surprised we caught you before the Order did" Yes, I think it's quite convenient too, Han... Like seriously? The Order has cruisers right over Jakku exactly where Rey and Finn are, and Han is flying all over the galaxy... and they just so happen to travel to that spot in the 10 minutes that Finn and Rey aren't captured by the Order. I am fine with small plot hole leaps, but that took me right out of the film. Also, anyone know how Poe got off Jakku? His ship exploded, the Order blew up the ships in the village he'd been in, and he had no money to get a transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 My theory about Luke s light saber will prevail in the sequels. Way too many abnormal things happened in Force Awakens with Luke s light saber to be mere coincidences. Rey is able to defeat Ren after a massive "Force" Moment. After that moment, she and her light saber seem possessed by an outer force. Luke is probably still the most powerful Jedi left in the universe except for that Gollum guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, The Futurist said: My theory about Luke s light saber will prevail in the sequels. Way too many abnormal things happened in Force Awakens with Luke s light saber to be mere coincidences. Rey is able to defeat Ren after a massive "Force" Moment. After that moment, she and her light saber seem possessed by an outer force. Luke is probably still the most powerful Jedi left in the universe except for that Gollum guy. Yes, Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the universe... as he is the only Jedi in the universe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, CJ Ren said: No, lets just not talk about that movie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goffe Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 34 minutes ago, The Futurist said: Acting was great all around but Carrie Fischer was abysmal ... like she was not there. She and Ford, both giving horrible performances (except for Ford last scene) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdevidem01 Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 1 minute ago, The Futurist said: My theory about Luke s light saber will prevail in the sequels. Way too many abnormal things happened in Force Awakens with Luke s light saber to be mere coincidences. Rey is able to defeat Ren after a massive "Force" Moment. After that moment, she and her light saber seem possessed by an outer force. Luke is probably still the most powerful Jedi left in the universe except for that Gollum guy. That also probably unlocked R2...or the presence of the lightsaber being near R2 anyway when Rey came back to whatever the hell borinnng planet the pseudo republic ermm I mean the resistance is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 3 minutes ago, Salacious Tree Crumb said: "I'm surprised we caught you before the Order did" Yes, I think it's quite convenient too, Han... Like seriously? The Order has cruisers right over Jakku exactly where Rey and Finn are, and Han is flying all over the galaxy... and they just so happen to travel to that spot in the 10 minutes that Finn and Rey aren't captured by the Order. I am fine with small plot hole leaps, but that took me right out of the film. Also, anyone know how Poe got off Jakku? His ship exploded, the Order blew up the ships in the village he'd been in, and he had no money to get a transport. I believe the Poe stuff will be explored in the sequels. He explains how he survived but yeah, I agree they should have explained it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatree Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 Just now, CJ Ren said: I believe the Poe stuff will be explored in the sequels. He explains how he survived but yeah, I agree they should have explained it better. what was his explanation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
