The Force Awakens, Avatar, and Exchange Rates

[LinksterAC]

@hw64

 

Regarding your post in the other thread:

 

1) You make an excellent point about CPI inflation.  I'll hear an argument about adjusting for that somehow.  Not sure what the best method for that is, but the US rate is NOT 21%.  More like 10% from 2009 to 2015 (from most of the sources I can find).  And to be fair, your criticize me for not thinking about it, but this is the first time you've mentioned it yourself.

 

2) Please don't tell me I barely put any effort into evaluating the exchange rates.  I spent hours on that, and, to wit, you haven't done any work on that account.  None.  I clearly stated my assumptions.  You're welcome to research alternative sources and share them with us, and then you can tell us how you "barely put any effort" into the process. This isn't my full time job, and I put out the effort specifically upon your request (more like a snide remark).  Your inability to take that effort with any sort of good will tells me a lot about your stance as an objective, unbiased thinker.

 

3) Again, I have to disagree with your statement about other modifiers.  ER and CPI Inflation are fundamentally different for reasons we've already mentioned.  

Edited January 21, 2016 by LinksterAC

[hw64]

15 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

1) You make an excellent point about CPI inflation.  I'll hear an argument about adjusting for that somehow.  Not sure what the best method for that is, but the US rate is NOT 21%.  More like 10% from 2009 to 2015 (from most of the sources I can find).  And to be fair, your criticize me for not thinking about it, but this is the first time you've mentioned it yourself.

 

I didn't say the inflation rate from 2009/10 would be 20%, I said Avatar would be 20+% ahead of the $2.5b figure you calculated if inflation were taken into account. Using this website I get $3.08b for Avatar's December 2015 gross, which is 23.2% above your $2.5b. That's, of course, just applying the USA inflation rate Avatar's entire worldwide gross in dollars. If you want something more accurate, Guinness World Records put it at $3.02b as of 2014, as I linked in my previous post.

 

20 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

2) Please don't tell me I barely put any effort into evaluating the exchange rates.  I spent hours on that, and, to wit, you haven't done any work on that account.  None.  I clearly stated my assumptions.  You're welcome to research alternative sources and share them with us, and then you can tell us how you "barely put any effort" into the process. This isn't my full time job, and I put out the effort specifically upon your request (more like a snide remark).  Your inability to take that effort with any sort of good will tells me a lot about your stance as an objective, unbiased thinker.

 

I take your point. I do take note of the effort that went into this thread and its contribution to the forum, but I'm still critical of the method. Perhaps you could edit into the OP which date you took the exchange rate for both TFA and Avatar in each country, or whether it was a monthly average rate, etc. I stand by my comment, however, that trying to adjust for exchange rates using a static multiplier from a website is completely unnecessary when we have available lc data for every major overseas market for both TFA and Avatar. The reason this thread was created was because you had claimed TFA would be at $2.7b if you adjusted for exchange rates, and you offered to continue the discussion elsewhere when I said it wouldn't be the case.

 

30 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

3) Again, I have to disagree with your statement about other modifiers.  ER and CPI Inflation are fundamentally different for reasons we've already mentioned.  

 

Are you getting confused between CPI inflation and ticket price inflation? Both exchange rates and CPI inflation are completely independent of the box office market of the time. Ticket price inflation is kinda, but not as much.

[LinksterAC]

39 minutes ago, hw64 said:

 

I didn't say the inflation rate from 2009/10 would be 20%, I said Avatar would be 20+% ahead of the $2.5b figure you calculated if inflation were taken into account. Using this website I get $3.08b for Avatar's December 2015 gross, which is 23.2% above your $2.5b. That's, of course, just applying the USA inflation rate Avatar's entire worldwide gross in dollars. If you want something more accurate, Guinness World Records put it at $3.02b as of 2014, as I linked in my previous post.

 

 

I take your point. I do take note of the effort that went into this thread and its contribution to the forum, but I'm still critical of the method. Perhaps you could edit into the OP which date you took the exchange rate for both TFA and Avatar in each country, or whether it was a monthly average rate, etc. I stand by my comment, however, that trying to adjust for exchange rates using a static multiplier from a website is completely unnecessary when we have available lc data for every major overseas market for both TFA and Avatar. The reason this thread was created was because you had claimed TFA would be at $2.7b if you adjusted for exchange rates, and you offered to continue the discussion elsewhere when I said it wouldn't be the case.

 

 

Are you getting confused between CPI inflation and ticket price inflation? Both exchange rates and CPI inflation are completely independent of the box office market of the time. Ticket price inflation is kinda, but not as much.

 

What I mean is that both CPI and ER are fundamentally different from the other modifiers we've mentioned (including ticket price inflation, though to a lesser extent).  My sentence was a bit unclear as phrased. 

[peludo]

19 hours ago, hw64 said:

I take your point. I do take note of the effort that went into this thread and its contribution to the forum, but I'm still critical of the method. Perhaps you could edit into the OP which date you took the exchange rate for both TFA and Avatar in each country, or whether it was a monthly average rate, etc. I stand by my comment, however, that trying to adjust for exchange rates using a static multiplier from a website is completely unnecessary when we have available lc data for every major overseas market for both TFA and Avatar. The reason this thread was created was because you had claimed TFA would be at $2.7b if you adjusted for exchange rates, and you offered to continue the discussion elsewhere when I said it wouldn't be the case.

Just for the record, I take the average of 3 months (usual runtime) since the release date. I mean, if Avatar was released on December 18th, I take the ER average from Dec 18th until March 18th. I do not know if this is a valid way or not. Although even taking other ER of the same frame period, the final numbers do not change substantially. But I understand your doubts about our calculations methods. I do not pretend to make something like a Bible, in what everyone must have absolute faith that those data are truth. It is just a reference and a game 

 

Concerning the way we should adjust with every conditions considered (ER, inflation, 3D, ...), I have some doubts about what people think we should consider. And let's take a concrete example to show it.

 

Avatar sold in Spain (according Ministry of Culture) 9,249,850 + 286,368 = 9,536,218 admissions and grossed 74,557,153 + 2,475,614 = €77,032,767 (Original release + Special edition)

 

Dividing gross by admissions we have that the average ticket price for Avatar was €8.08. However, the average ticket price in Spain during 2009 was €6.13 and during 2010, €6.54. So, Avatar tickets were about 24-32% more expensive than average because of 3D.

 

Whit this premise, I have a doubt/question. If in 2015 average ticket price has been about €6.3 according first estimations, what ticket price should we apply to calculate the gross that Avatar would had done today, €6.3 like for every other film, or a 24-32% higher than that amount because of 3D increase?

 

We could see this:

 

Just 2015 Avg ticket price

- 9,536,218 * 6.3 = €60,078,173 = $65,104,013 (1.083655 current ER)

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 24% increase because of 3D (relative to 2010 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 9,536,218 * 6,3 * 1.24 = €74,496,935 = $80,728,976

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 32% increase because of 3D (relative to 2009 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 9,536,218 * 6,3 * 1.32 = €79,303,189 = $85,937,297

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- €77,032,767 * 1.21 = €93,209,648 = $101,007,101

 

With every case we obtain a lower amount than Avatar's real gross (according BOM), which was $111,967,209.

 

Of course, these calculations are for a local market that has had many problems in terms of economical crisis and deflation. We could look at another market whose behaviour has been more normal like Germany:

 

Avatar grossed €114,540,786 and sold 11,292,801 admissions (according InsideKino), so the avg ticket price for the movie was €10.14. Average ticket price in Germany in 2009 and 2010 was €6.67 and €7.27, respectively (according InsideKino too), so the Avatar avg ticket price was a 39-52% higher than average. Making similar calculations than for Spain case:

 

Just 2015 Avg ticket price (€8.16)

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 = €92,149,256 = $99,858,002 (1.083655 current ER)

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 39% increase because of 3D (relative to 2010 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 * 1.39 = €128,087,466 = $138,802,623

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 52% increase because of 3D (relative to 2009 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 * 1.52 = €140,066,869 = $151,784,163

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- €114,540,786 * 1.21 = €138,594,351 = $150,188,461

 

In all the cases the result is lower than the real Germany gross, which was $162,333,962 (according BOM).

 

In both cases, Spain and Germany, we get smaller amounts than the real grosses. The ER drop is so strong that even 7 years of inflation are not able to compensate it. No matters if the inflation has been flat (Spain) or 22% (Germany).

 

And finally we can consider the US case. We do not have the admissions data, but BOM published an article (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2728&p=.htm) estimating Avatar had sold 75 million admissions when it was at $745m. Following the same progression, Avatar sold 76.56 million admissions, what means $9.93 average ticket price. Since in 2009, average ticket price was $7.50 and in 2010, $7.89, the increase because of 3D/IMAX was 26-32% (quite similar to Spanish case, so we can asume that number of admissions is quite accurate).

 

With today average ticket price ($8.70) and that admissions figure, we can have these scenarios:

 

Just 2016 Avg ticket price ($8.70)

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 = $666,072,000

 

2016 Avg ticket price plus a 26% increase because of 3D (relative to 2010 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 * 1.26 = $839,250,720

 

2016 Avg ticket price plus a 32% increase because of 3D (relative to 2009 avg ticket price), according the calculated range

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 * 1.32 = $879,215,040

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- $760,507,625 * 1.21 = $920,214,226

 

The behaviour in US can be considered normal in terms of inflation since the ER factor does not exist.

 

With this I do not want to say that SW7 can beat or even be compared to Avatar. It is obvious that in terms of admissions, Avatar wins by a considerable margin in nearly every country in the world. I will not discuss it. And we can probably agree that today, just China would had been able to make so much money in order to compensate the drop in gross because of ER factor. I have Avatar as the second biggest overall run ever just behind, of course, Titanic. This kind of exercises will not change that fact.

 

But the ER factor distortion is so evident that we are just trying to put into perspective things, not only for this Avatar vs Star Wars showdown, but for every other film. And it is a factor that does not depend on the economy I can have at my home. I pay in euros and I do not care how much money is able to earn a film in dollars. I care if a ticket cost me €6, €8 or €10. It can depend on the year we are, if it has 3D or even if the cinema is better and more expensive than the cinema sited 10 kilometers away. We call it inflation. But if I pay €6.30 for a ticket, I do not care if it means $6.83 (today ER), or if it means $8.80 (2009-2010 ER). For this reason, I think we can separate ER discussion from the adjusting debate, which is quite more complex. We just want to make an egalitarian UNADJUSTED worldwide ranking. After that, we can discuss if Avatar wins or not, something that I think is quite evident.

 

Sorry about this so long post, but I have not been able to make it shorter 

Edited January 22, 2016 by peludo

[Quigley]

I've taken all the films since 2001 and expressed their gross as a percentage of that year's global box office revenue. A bit irrelevant to the thread but didn't know where to put it. Oh and sorry for the mistake but I've used a comma instead of a period for decimals. I've only used the initial runs of films w/o re-releases. For 2015, I used the provisional figure of $38 billion

 

Rank	Title	WW Gross	Year	WWG/Global BO Revenue
1	Avatar	2754,0	2009	9,4%
2	Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone	974,8	2001	5,7%
3	The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King	1119,9	2003	5,5%
4	The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring	871,5	2001	5,1%
5	Star Wars: The Force Awakens	1888,5	2015	5,0%
6	The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers	926,0	2002	4,7%
7	Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets	879,0	2002	4,4%
8	Jurassic World	1669,0	2015	4,4%
9	Marvel's The Avengers	1519,6	2012	4,4%
10	Finding Nemo	867,7	2003	4,3%
11	Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest	1066,2	2006	4,2%
12	Spider-Man	821,7	2002	4,2%
13	Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2	1341,5	2011	4,1%
14	Furious 7	1515,0	2015	4,0%
15	Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire	896,9	2005	3,9%
16	Avengers: Age of Ultron	1405,0	2015	3,7%
17	Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End	963,4	2007	3,7%
18	Shrek 2	919,8	2004	3,7%
19	Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith	848,8	2005	3,6%
20	The Matrix Reloaded	742,1	2003	3,6%
21	The Dark Knight	997,0	2008	3,6%
22	Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix	939,9	2007	3,6%
23	Frozen	1276,5	2013	3,6%
24	Transformers: Dark of the Moon	1123,8	2011	3,4%
25	Spider-Man 3	890,9	2007	3,4%
26	Iron Man 3	1215,4	2013	3,4%
27	Toy Story 3	1063,2	2010	3,4%
28	Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones	649,4	2002	3,3%
29	Alice in Wonderland (2010)	1025,5	2010	3,2%
30	Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl	654,3	2003	3,2%
31	Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides	1045,7	2011	3,2%
32	The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe	745,0	2005	3,2%
33	Skyfall	1108,6	2012	3,2%
34	Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince	934,4	2009	3,2%
35	Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban	796,7	2004	3,2%
36	The Dark Knight Rises	1084,9	2012	3,1%
37	Spider-Man 2	783,8	2004	3,1%
38	Monsters Inc.	525,4	2001	3,1%

Edited January 22, 2016 by quigquag33

[LinksterAC]

6 hours ago, peludo said:

Just for the record, I take the average of 3 months (usual runtime) since the release date. I mean, if Avatar was released on December 18th, I take the ER average from Dec 18th until March 18th. I do not know if this is a valid way or not. Although even taking other ER of the same frame period, the final numbers do not change substantially. But I understand your doubts about our calculations methods. I do not pretend to make something like a Bible, in what everyone must have absolute faith that those data are truth. It is just a reference and a game 

 

Concerning the way we should adjust with every conditions considered (ER, inflation, 3D, ...), I have some doubts about what people think we should consider. And let's take a concrete example to show it.

 

Avatar sold in Spain (according Ministry of Culture) 9,249,850 + 286,368 = 9,536,218 admissions and grossed 74,557,153 + 2,475,614 = €77,032,767 (Original release + Special edition)

 

Dividing gross by admissions we have that the average ticket price for Avatar was €8.08. However, the average ticket price in Spain during 2009 was €6.13 and during 2010, €6.54. So, Avatar tickets were about 24-32% more expensive than average because of 3D.

 

Whit this premise, I have a doubt/question. If in 2015 average ticket price has been about €6.3 according first estimations, what ticket price should we apply to calculate the gross that Avatar would had done today, €6.3 like for every other film, or a 24-32% higher than that amount because of 3D increase?

 

We could see this:

 

Just 2015 Avg ticket price

- 9,536,218 * 6.3 = €60,078,173 = $65,104,013 (1.083655 current ER)

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 24% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 9,536,218 * 6,3 * 1.24 = €74,496,935 = $80,728,976

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 32% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 9,536,218 * 6,3 * 1.32 = €79,303,189 = $85,937,297

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- €77,032,767 * 1.21 = €93,209,648 = $101,007,101

 

With every case we obtain a lower amount than Avatar's real gross (according BOM), which was $111,967,209.

 

Of course, these calculations are for a local market that has had many problems in terms of economical crisis and deflation. We could look at another market whose behaviour has been more normal like Germany:

 

Avatar grossed €114,540,786 and sold 11,292,801 admissions (according InsideKino), so the avg ticket price for the movie was €10.14. Average ticket price in Germany in 2009 and 2010 was €6.67-€7.27 (according InsideKino too), so the Avatar avg ticket price was a 39-52% higher than average. Making similar calculations than for Spain case:

 

Just 2015 Avg ticket price (€8.16)

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 = €92,149,256 = $99,858,002 (1.083655 current ER)

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 39% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 * 1.39 = €128,087,466 = $138,802,623

 

2015 Avg ticket price plus a 52% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 11,292,801 * 8.16 * 1.52 = €140,066,869 = $151,784,163

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- €114,540,786 * 1.21 = €138,594,351 = $150,188,461

 

In all the cases the result is lower than the real Germany gross, which was $162,333,962 (according BOM).

 

In both cases, Spain and Germany, we get smaller amounts than the real grosses. The ER drop is so strong that even 7 years of inflation are not able to compensate it. No matters if the inflation has been flat (Spain) or 22% (Germany).

 

And finally we can consider the US case. We do not have the admissions data, but BOM published an article (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2728&p=.htm) estimating Avatar had sold 75 million admissions when it was at $745m. Following the same progression, Avatar sold 76.56 million admissions, what means $9.93 average ticket price. Since in 2009, average ticket price was $7.50 and in 2010, $7.89, the increase because of 3D/IMAX was 26-32% (quite similar to Spanish case, so we can asume that number is quite accurate).

 

With today average ticket price ($8.70) and that admissions figure, we can have these scenarios:

 

Just 2016 Avg ticket price ($8.70)

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 = $666,072,000

 

2016 Avg ticket price plus a 25% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 * 1.26 = $839,250,720

 

2016 Avg ticket price plus a 32% increase because of 3D, according the calculated range

- 76,560,000 * 8.70 * 1.32 = $879,215,040

 

And applying the 21% overall inflation increase you mentioned in Avatar 2 thread we have:

- $760,507,625 * 1.21 = $920,214,226

 

The behaviour in US can be considered normal in terms of inflation since the ER factor does not exist.

 

With this I do not want to say that SW7 can beat or even compare with Avatar. It is obvious that in terms of admissions, Avatar wins by a considerable margin in nearly every country in the world. I will not discuss it. And we can probably agree that today, just China would had been able to make so much money in order to compensate the drop in gross because of ER factor. I have Avatar as the second biggest overall run ever just behind, of course, Titanic. This kind of exercises will not change that fact.

 

But the ER factor distortion is so evident that we just try to put into perspective things, not only for this Avatar vs Star Wars showdown, but for every other film. And it is a factor that does not depend on the economy I can have at my home. I pay in euros and I do not care how much money is able to earn a film in dollars. I care if a ticket cost me €6, €8 or €10. It can depend on the year we are, if it has 3D or even if the cinema is better and more expensive than the cinema sited 10 kilometers away. We call it inflation. But if I pay €6.30 for a ticket, I do not care if it means $6.83 (today ER), or if it means $8.80 (2009-2010 ER). For this reason, I think we can separate ER discussion from the adjusting debate, which is quite more complex. We just want to make an egalitarian UNADJUSTED worldwide ranking. After that, we can discuss if Avatar wins or not, something that I think is quite evident.

 

Sorry about this so long post, but I have not been able to make it shorter 

 

As a separate exercise, I'd really love to try to get an estimate of global admissions.  @hw64 made a good start in the Avatar 2 threads.  Most OS markets have Avatar way ahead, but the domestic and UK market probably give TFA a 20m-30m admissions advantage. 

 

Who wants to volunteer? ?

[peludo]

39 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

 

As a separate exercise, I'd really love to try to get an estimate of global admissions.  @hw64 made a good start in the Avatar 2 threads.  Most OS markets have Avatar way ahead, but the domestic and UK market probably give TFA a 20m-30m admissions advantage. 

 

Who wants to volunteer? ?

We can start with this: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=32191

[LinksterAC]

6 hours ago, peludo said:

We can start with this: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=32191

 

Very interesting.  Never ceases to amaze me just how big the US market movie market is.

 

Titanic for example:

 

Euro 36 (which includes large markets like Germany, GB, and France) shows 111 million admissions.

 

The USA? 128 million admissions.  

 

We really love our movies here.

[mepal1]

6 hours ago, peludo said:

We can start with this: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=32191

 

I like LUMIERE, as its just about the only site that gives film admissions in Europe, but at the same time i have noticed some abnomalies with some of their figures that in some cases don't seem to add up, so i don't take their figures as gospel.......unfortunately.

[peludo]

25 minutes ago, mepal1 said:

 

I like LUMIERE, as its just about the only site that gives film admissions in Europe, but at the same time i have noticed some abnomalies with some of their figures that in some cases don't seem to add up, so i don't take their figures as gospel.......unfortunately.

Sure. The figures are not exact, usually lower than real numbers. But they are quite close to reality and I guess that the fact of lower figures apply to every film so at least the order of ranking we can obtain of this web can be quite accurate.

[peludo]

37 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

 

Very interesting.  Never ceases to amaze me just how big the US market movie market is.

 

Titanic for example:

 

Euro 36 (which includes large markets like Germany, GB, and France) shows 111 million admissions.

 

The USA? 128 million admissions.  

 

We really love our movies here.

Well, that is quite logical. At the end, every country uses to be the biggest market for their own films.

[LinksterAC]

1 minute ago, peludo said:

Well, that is quite logical. At the end, every country uses to be the biggest market for their own films.

 

I agree.  But wasn't Titanic the largest film in most of these markets for a long time?  There's no question Hollywood films perfrom better abroad than foreign films perform in the USA.

[peludo]

11 minutes ago, LinksterAC said:

 

I agree.  But wasn't Titanic the largest film in most of these markets for a long time?  There's no question Hollywood films perfrom better abroad than foreign films perform in the USA.

Sure. Titanic remains to be the biggest film ever in Spain (11.3 million admissions). And there is no doubt that the US cinema is the biggest in the world. But the economical potential is extremely higher than for local films, and the competition is not exactly fair. Have you ever seen a Spanish film being reelased in US in 3,000 theaters? well, that happens here every week with US films. That is a huge difference.

Edited January 23, 2016 by peludo

[inthesky]

Hello everyone ! If you are interested into global admissions for the biggest movies, I can suggest you to have a look on this link where I began to publish some numbers about global admissions :

 

http://www.allocine.fr/communaute/forum/message_gen_nofil=374&cfilm=&refpersonne=&carticle=&refserie=&refmedia=.html

 

It's in french and there are some mistakes, but I think you'll be able to get some interesting datas you may be looking for.

Edited January 23, 2016 by inthesky

[Onri]

16 hours ago, peludo said:

We can start with this: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/film_info/?id=32191

Is "Ru" for Russia? We have 14,1 mln admission for Avatar, not 10,2 mln! We are not wild country, we have a lot of oficial easy to find data. And where is Ukraine? It has 1,5 mln admission for Avatar.

SW7 will finish only at 5,8 mln admission in Russia

[peludo]

44 minutes ago, Onri said:

Is "Ru" for Russia? We have 14,1 mln admission for Avatar, not 10,2 mln! We are not wild country, we have a lot of oficial easy to find data. And where is Ukraine? It has 1,5 mln admission for Avatar.

SW7 will finish only at 5,8 mln admission in Russia

I did not fill that info  This is a very generic page that give some official data, but usually lower than real figures, but quite close to reality. I did not know that Russia had sold so many tickets for Avatar. Could you post a link to see some admissions figures of Russia, please? it could be very interesting

 

Relative to Ukraine, it is not included in the list of countries taken into account (you can see the list here: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/iso_codes/ Just the countries with a [2] are included).

[peludo]

2 hours ago, inthesky said:

Hello everyone ! If you are interested into global admissions for the biggest movies, I can suggest you to have a look on this link where I began to publish some numbers about global admissions :

 

http://www.allocine.fr/communaute/forum/message_gen_nofil=374&cfilm=&refpersonne=&carticle=&refserie=&refmedia=.html

 

It's in french and there are some mistakes, but I think you'll be able to get some interesting datas you may be looking for.

First of all, Welcome to the forums!

 

And thank you for all those data. Some of them are not so easy to find.

[hw64]

1 hour ago, Onri said:

Is "Ru" for Russia? We have 14,1 mln admission for Avatar, not 10,2 mln! We are not wild country, we have a lot of oficial easy to find data. And where is Ukraine? It has 1,5 mln admission for Avatar.

SW7 will finish only at 5,8 mln admission in Russia

 

14 minutes ago, peludo said:

I did not fill that info  This is a very generic page that give some official data, but usually lower than real figures, but quite close to reality. I did not know that Russia had sold so many tickets for Avatar. Could you post a link to see some admissions figures of Russia, please? it could be very interesting

 

Relative to Ukraine, it is not included in the list of countries taken into account (you can see the list here: http://lumiere.obs.coe.int/web/iso_codes/ Just the countries with a [2] are included).

 

You'll notice that the site doesn't have any info for ticket sales in 2009 for Russia, even though Avatar was released on 17 December 2009 there. That's why the total figure is so low.

 

Edit: And Greece, also.

Edited January 23, 2016 by hw64

[terrestrial]

Wasn't here a discussion about CAN's part of NA? I am working here at a project, not really concentrated on BOT for the moment

 

 

@Lordmandeep has some details there

[Onri]

1 hour ago, peludo said:

Could you post a link to see some admissions figures of Russia, please?

http://www.kinopoisk.ru/box/best_people_rus/view_all/1/

Currently this is the best source about admission. But most figures are not final there. Usually they are at least 99% of real number. For example Jurassic World never hit 5 mln, but Big Hero 6 did reach 4 mln. Avatar has been in our theaters for years, so it's number is least correct. All films without english title (#2, #12...) are local.

 

Geographically full Ukraine is situated on European continent, but only 23% of Russia is on European continent. Including Russia while ignoring Ukraine is totally unreasonable