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Black Widow | July 9 2021 | ScarJo secures the bag from Disney

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4 hours ago, TalismanRing said:

The only male co-star who received anywhere near what she's asking was RDJ and that's with his films actually making $1-3B dollars and him being infinitely more valuable to his films than she was.     Evans and Hemsworth didn't get that kind of deal even on their 3rd solo film and they all got paid around the same for the last 3 Avengers (she reportedly got paid more for the first) .

 

Outside the rare leak or if it goes to actual trial on this one, we do not know what kind of deal people got (and I think what matter is what they got once they were "free agents", not bound by their entry contract of X movies they signed has unknown).

 

Look at what she was reportedly getting according to some of the lowest belly press before the trial, was it not really strange never seen before 22m with a possible 4 million performance bonus, in reality (in the pre covid world this is lock to making 800m or more) it was a more standard and reasonable over 50m+ type of compensation deal. In general the reporting around Marvel compensation tend to make little sense and filled with made up stuff, that goes viral in that world, I think many would remember that one:

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Marvel-Paid-Each-Major-Avenger-Age-Ultron-93117.html

The salaries for Avengers: Age of Ultron have just been released, and they are incredibly telling. The rankings are as follows:

Robert Downey Jr. - $40 million
Scarlett Johansson - $20 million
Chris Evans - $6.9 million
Jeremy Renner - $6.1 million
Chris Hemsworth - $5.4 million
Mark Ruffalo - $2.8 million

 

Making the exercise of what is the source used for every site that reported that (from memory it was an anonymous blog entry on a fansite).

 

Evans never made a 3rd solo film, Civil War was a giant assembly of big names, less but still impressive on Thor 3, Johansson was possibly virtually all alone outside Feige from script to director to in front of the camera to be paid significant money.

 

I easily imagine talents having a very similar similar contract (with the points more split with the big name he share the screen with like Pratt, Portman, Bale, and Waititi behind the camera etc...) on Thor 4 and bound to make the over 100m figure bonus if it is a giant success.

 

Contract of big headliners tend to be a little bit complicated with most of the money on the backend and not upfront and virtually are never reported, Dwayne Johnson Red Notice being a very rare exception to get out in details.

 

4 hours ago, TalismanRing said:

During COVID her movie was never making near $1.2B (doubtful even sans Covid) or even half that and they delayed it for over a year to give it it's best shot. 

True, if the trial turn around what would it have done with an exclusive theatrical and not what would it have done if the movie was hold until a unknown return to the normal world, saying it would have done more than F9 without a China release seem has impossible has those theatrical world get.

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15 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Outside the rare leak or if it goes to actual trial on this one, we do not know what kind of deal people got (and I think what matter is what they got once they were "free agents", not bound by their entry contract of X movies they signed has unknown).

 

Look at what she was reportedly getting according to some of the lowest belly press before the trial, was it not really strange never seen before 22m with a possible 4 million performance bonus, in reality (in the pre covid world this is lock to making 800m or more) it was a more standard and reasonable over 50m+ type of compensation deal. In general the reporting around Marvel compensation tend to make little sense and filled with made up stuff, that goes viral in that world, I think many would remember that one:

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/What-Marvel-Paid-Each-Major-Avenger-Age-Ultron-93117.html

The salaries for Avengers: Age of Ultron have just been released, and they are incredibly telling. The rankings are as follows:

Robert Downey Jr. - $40 million
Scarlett Johansson - $20 million
Chris Evans - $6.9 million
Jeremy Renner - $6.1 million
Chris Hemsworth - $5.4 million
Mark Ruffalo - $2.8 million

 

Making the exercise of what is the source used for every site that reported that (from memory it was an anonymous blog entry on a fansite).

 

Evans never made a 3rd solo film, Civil War was a giant assembly of big names, less but still impressive on Thor 3, Johansson was possibly virtually all alone outside Feige from script to director to in front of the camera to be paid significant money.

 

I easily imagine talents having a very similar similar contract (with the points more split with the big name he share the screen with like Pratt, Portman, Bale, and Waititi behind the camera etc...) on Thor 4 and bound to make the over 100m figure bonus if it is a giant success.

 

Contract of big headliners tend to be a little bit complicated with most of the money on the backend and not upfront and virtually are never reported, Dwayne Johnson Red Notice being a very rare exception to get out in details.

 

True, if the trial turn around what would it have done with an exclusive theatrical and not what would it have done if the movie was hold until a unknown return to the normal world, saying it would have done more than F9 without a China release seem has impossible has those theatrical world get.

 

Those numbers came originally from some sketchy site, spread around without any attribution.  They were disputed by Disney to the Trades and stated stated Evans, Hemsworth and Scarlett received the same pay for AOU.  RDJ also received far more than $40m.   Civil War was Evans contractually third Captain America film and he was paid as if it were solo otherwise it wouldn't have fulfilled his contract.  At the same time they were also negotiating to extend his contract to a  4th Avengers so there's no way they were low balling him.

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2 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

Civil War was Evans contractually third Captain America film and he was paid as if it were solo otherwise it wouldn't have fulfilled his contract.

If that was on a number of movies deal signed before he was a big deal, it is not really a valid comparable. They will happily extend those (or compensate with other projects) but they still have a big side of the stick with the signed original contract.

 

To give an example, that was Wahlberg Transformer contracts according to insider, option of 19-20m for the 2 sequels:

$15M + 4%GP starting at $225M ww AGR, then escalated to 5% @ $425M ww AGR, 6% @ $725M ww AGR, and 7.5% @ $825M ww AGR.

 

Is Other guys contract:

12m V 12%

 

2 Guns

$10M + 12% after $105m AGR (domestic and foreign split, $45M on foreign set)

 

Lone Survivor

$3M to keep a low budget but 15% at $78M AGR going to 20 points at $95M AGR (domestic and foreign split, $45M on foreign set)

 

Jennifer Aniston deal history:

Horrible boss 2

$3.5MM fee (15 days over schedule of PP; includes post days)

+

Bo bonuses:

$500k @ DBO $100MM or WWBO $200MM

$500k @ DBO $110MM or WWBO $220MM

$500k @ DBO $120MM or WWBO $240MM

$500k @ DBO $130MM or WWBO $260MM

v.

Participation: 5% of SG @ CB 0%. 5% DG @ CB 0% until artist has eraned an amount equal to $2.25MM there from

+

perks of bringing for the move of hiring some of her personal crew (stylist, bodyguard, costume designer, etc..)

 

We're the millers

$4.5MM fee (schedule of PP)

v.

bo bonuses:

$250k @ DBO $70MM or WWBO $140MM

$375k @ DBO $80MM or WWBO $160MM

$375k @ DBO $90MM or WWBO $180MM

$500k @ DBO $100MM or WWBO $200MM

$500k @ DBO $110MM or WWBO $220MM

(non applic)

$500k @ DBO $100MM or WWBO $200MM

$500k @ DBO $110MM or WWBO $220MM

$500k @ DBO $120MM or WWBO $240MM

$500k @ DBO $130MM or WWBO $260MM

+

Credit: on screen, main titles in first position; paid ads

+

Perqs: $500K covered travel, personnel, housing, food, transportation and security

 

Horrible Bosses

$3.25MM fee ( 8 consec days of PP + 3 free days)

+

bo bonuses:

$250k @ DBO $85MM or WWBO $170MM

$250k @ DBO $85MM or WWBO $170MM

$250k @ DBO $85MM or WWBO $170MM

$250k @ DBO $85MM or WWBO $170MM

v.

Participation: 3% DP @ CB 0% (defined with no ad or production overhead and HV @ 100%m less a 12.5% distribution fee and less costs for purposes of calculating breakpoint and 35% for payout).  Agreement that no participants shall be entitled to first dollar gross

 

I doubt we ever saw any of those reported (or any actor compensation that did look like that ever) and it would require lot of explanation (or would reach a niche audience) in generals it does not exist an actor-writer-director-producer that make large money without a backend deals, before Netflix.

 

We also see that big name with good agents when they get "profit" type contract they will defined what can be removed for cost and how revenues will be counted.

 

15 minutes ago, TalismanRing said:

They were disputed by Disney to the Trades and stated stated Evans, Hemsworth and Scarlett received the same pay for AOU.

And I would suspect their free to negotiate solo movie if they made one entry got quite similar deal for talents (outside not having to share it on Widow like they do on theirs, their obviously a limit on how many points can go around)

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11 minutes ago, Barnack said:

If that was on a number of movies deal signed before he was a big deal, it is not really a valid comparable. They will happily extend those (or compensate with other projects) but they still have a big side of the stick with the signed original contract.

 

 

And I would suspect their free to negotiate solo movie if they made one entry got quite similar deal for talents (outside not having to share it on Widow like they do on theirs, their obviously a limit on how many points can go around)

 

The point was that SJ was not making more for Avengers films than Evans or Hemsworth.  Nor was she the only one outside of RDJ making ALOT of money by the end,  RDJ after the first Avengers held out in extending his contract until his co-stars got better deals for the next Avengers films.   They didn't really have a big stick with Evans by CW because he was more than willing to walk away and not sign another Avengers movie.  So they weren't going to be able to short shrift him for CW and then get him to sign for Avengers 4.  By the end they were reportedly getting paid $15m+ for solos with bonuses at the back end.  Also, at that time RDJ, Scarlett and Evans all had the same agent at CAA - Jim Toth so he knew all the add on deals.

 

For BW she got to renegotiate and got herself a % of the gross and a producers credit which is more than any other MCU star (RDJ just got the $$$ even if he was creatively involved).  mainly because she was completely out of contract and Feige really wanted that BW film.   Hemsworth is also reportedly getting $20m for Thor 4 and no doubt there are %s or bonus attached.

 

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On 9/4/2021 at 4:40 AM, Valonqar said:

Scarlett wants her contract to be honored. It's no greed. Disney didn't renegotiate the contract with specified "no hybrid/streaming" clause and they took the advantage of the loophole that specified widest theatrical release (they honored it) but no restriction on simultaneous streaming because that wasn't a concern at the time of contract signage. Even though Scarlett's legal team was concerned about the possibility as far as 2019. If I'm not mistaken, Disney gave them verbal assurance but didn't want to put anything on paper, sign, etc. So yes, she has the right to sue them as would any other actor or actress in the same situation. 

 

@AJG Yes I agree that framing it as a battle against misogyny is ridiculous. They have a case, no need to turn it into something that it isn't. If RDJ or Evans had a movie out at that time in the pandemic, and contract that didn't bar a simultaneous release because it wasn't a practice at the time of signage, the movie would be sent to PA as well. It just happened that it was BW rather than IM4 or Cap 4.  People forget how panicked studio were back then. 

Unfortunately this is not true if she really was requesting a hundred million in compensation of above the 20. She was projecting 1.2 billion when she could have best hopes for maybe 900. China is out independent of the pandemic which will really screws her negotiations.

 

Had she asked for 50 and been willing to settle for less on top of the 20 I think her lawsuit would serve more merit but right now she absolutely does look insanely greedy. She's not RDJ, in fact she isn't even close she's not even in the top five. She has never carried the franchise and this is a flashback movie after her character died. The possibility of future movies was basically zero and she had little leverage going forward.

 

I say that as someone who thinks she did an amazing job as Black widow and is one of my favorite characters. I absolutely think she should be entitled to additional compensation but anyone who scoffs at say 50 million is insane

 

 

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On 8/2/2021 at 4:25 PM, AJG said:

 

I mean like... whats the blowback here? 

They'll kick her some cash, they'll continue business as usual, and we forget this ever happened in a month or two.

 

Who'da thunk it?!?!?

 

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People were on here acting like this was the end of days.

 

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43 minutes ago, Legion of the Ten Crores said:

Is this “huge?” This thing looked like it would settle from the jump, right? The big question is how much they settled for.

Deadline saying $40M+. Seems like a pretty unequivocal win for Scarlet if true.

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So she’s getting the money she basically would’ve gotten if Disney wasn’t being cheap/silly, but add a PR hiccup. 

 

anyway that settled, ScarJo showing up in a Secret Wars something wouldn’t surprise me tbh

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3 hours ago, Legion of the Ten Crores said:

Is this “huge?” This thing looked like it would settle from the jump, right? The big question is how much they settled for.

 

The article end with a:

Johansson is represented by Kasowitz partner John Berlinski, while Daniel Petrocelli has been repping Disney.

 

With that title:

The settlement ends a back-and-forth PR battle pitting the CAA-repped star against the studio that was poised to have dramatic implications for all of Hollywood’s majors.

 

Usually partly written by the agents (nothing against a legend like Kim Masters) but that a situation the only thing you can write about is what agents tell you in a secret settlement like that.

 

The very powerful CAA is saying that it is huge... it is not really a clue either way.

 

1 hour ago, RRA said:

So she’s getting the money she basically would’ve gotten if Disney wasn’t being cheap/silly, but add a PR hiccup. 

 

We do not know what the offer was, nor the settlement.

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2 hours ago, Legion of the Ten Crores said:

Deadline saying $40M+. Seems like a pretty unequivocal win for Scarlet if true.

 

However, when all is said and done, the deal will run to more than $40 million, sources tell me.

 

Doesn't indicate if that already includes the $20m.  If so then she'd be getting her base +  5% of the gross + PA.    If not then her base + about 10% of the gross (which is a silly contract on Disney's part) & PA.    A % of the gross + PA was already being given.

 

Regardless, her lawyers were suing for an additional $80m (insane) on top of her $20m pay so it's hardly an unequivocal win.

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2 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

I wanna live in a world where big actors make less than top doctors. They are over paid af.

 

All that would mean is that Drs and insurance payments would skyrocket.

 

Actors, like athletes, musicians and any entertainer are paid in accordance to the revenue they bring to producers, investors and studios.  If they can find one to pay less to bring in the same money they will.  I'm not going to cry because billionaires have to pay millionaires more money to make more money.

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4 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said:

I wanna live in a world where big actors make less than top doctors. They are over paid af.

 

I would rather actors get their piece of the pie instead of greedy studio heads grabbing everything sitting in a comfortable office. Its no different from Lebron or Brady or Durant or Prescott or Ronaldo or Federer making more than doctors. These guys have equity while Doctors get paid. 

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