WrathOfHan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Tarzan and Ben-Hur. A lot of movies will have OS to fall back on (NYSM2, Warcraft, Ghostbusters, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Bombing is not breaking even Bombing is not making your budget back. Bombing is when you take a financial bath so to speak. If Alice makes 500 millWW that is far from a bomb. II don't have an exact percentage but I always viewed a bomb something where perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars not just breaking even. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Gods of Egypt Huntsman Pride & Prejudice & Zombies Zoolander 2 Pan In the Heart of the Sea Those are what you call box office bombs. Alice doing $500m WW is nowhere near that distinction. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kswiston Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Krissykins said: Bomb as in losing money. If budget is $200m + worldwide marketing $200m. Then doing $500m worldwide could be seen as a bomb. Money not recouped from theatrical run. I doubt that alice is getting a 200M ad campaign. I dont watch a lot of television but I havent noticed much promotion for it. The Jungle Book and Civil War were everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Tarzan will Bomb. They will spend around 375 mill incl P&A and im not even sure it will make that WW Ben-Hur will also BOMB hard Warcraft is a wildcard but only carries a budget around 120 mill i think. It wont be a disaster due to China 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Baumer said: Bombing is not breaking even Bombing is not making your budget back. Bombing is when you take a financial bath so to speak. If Alice makes 500 millWW that is far from a bomb. II don't have an exact percentage but I always viewed a bomb something where perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars not just breaking even. Yeh so it wouldn't make its money back with $500m. Especially when studio only gets 25% of China gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 8 minutes ago, Krissykins said: Yeh so it wouldn't make its money back with $500m. Especially when studio only gets 25% of China gross. But that's not a bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krissykins Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 17 minutes ago, Baumer said: But that's not a bomb. A big budget film losing money....how is that not a bomb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAJK Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Alice ain't gonna lose money. 600M WW, I can't see it doing less, unless it gets Fant4stic reaction that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCKillswitch123 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Baumer said: Bombing is not breaking even Bombing is not making your budget back. Bombing is when you take a financial bath so to speak. If Alice makes 500 millWW that is far from a bomb. II don't have an exact percentage but I always viewed a bomb something where perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars not just breaking even. I'l assume Mad Max: Fury Road and Edge Of Tomorrow are bombs too, in that case? W/PTA's included, their budgets exceed 200M. As a matter of fact, Edge Of Tomorrow aparently cost 278M w/PTA. Neither film did as much as over 370M WW. Unless those movies had product placement + sponsor downgrades, and I'm pretty sure Mad Max had no product placement or major sponsors attached to it. Agree w/the other two points though. To me a true bomb is a movie that doesn't even make its budget back, or it does but only by a very small margin (and without counting PTA). And, assuming Alice 2 costs as much as the 1st one, it'll have as much as a ceiling of around 275M budget PTA included and a floor of 225M w/PTA (Alice cost 150-200M and PTA was 'similar' to Prince Of Persia's so around 75M). If it does 500M in the ceiling situation, it doesn't break even (barely), but it doesn't lose the studio much money either [and 500M is the least I expect Alice 2 to make, w/around 700M WW being my actual prediction; no way it does under 50% from the original, folks, and all the other Disney fairytales except Oz (which went 450M+) crossed the 500M mark, Alice 2 shouldn't be the anomaly]. And in the floor situation, it'll have already made Disney a small profit. So, unless it costs about 350 without advertising, Alice 2 will definitely not be a straight up flop by the time it makes 500M. Edited May 10, 2016 by MCKillswitch123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildphantom Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I still find it amazing people think Ghostbusters will tank. That movie is going to do just fine 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plain Old Tele Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 3 hours ago, Krissykins said: Bomb as in losing money. If budget is $200m + worldwide marketing $200m. Then doing $500m worldwide could be seen as a bomb. Money not recouped from theatrical run. Most movies don't turn a profit theatrically. Do you consider most movies bombs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I think you need to set different parameters for movie bombing if you honestly think that if a movie breaks even domestically it still considered a bomb. If that truly was the case Hollywood would have been bankrupt probably decades ago. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileECoyote Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 My thinking is: Duds-Disappointing movies that are around break even point. Example Terminator:Genysis, TASM2 Bombs- Big budget movies that show up in company quarterly results as major write offs. Tomorrowland, The Lone Ranger, Jupiter Ascending. I haven't been following Ben-Hur but Tarzan looks to be a prime candidate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmlover Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ben-Hur has bomb written all over it. The fact they put in the dreaded late August spot is their way of saying "we've given up completely." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ghostbuster could get in trouble too with that 154 mill budget and crazy negative reactions to the trailer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 2 minutes ago, filmlover said: Ben-Hur has bomb written all over it. The fact they put in the dreaded late August spot is their way of saying "we've given up completely." I agree.. But we need to see a budget first to know the real danger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertman2 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Hopefully Ghostbusters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Ghostbusters, Ben-Hur, Legend of Tarzan, Warcraft, The BFG. Bombage awaits these movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonytr87 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 I can't wait until Ghostbusters comes out to positive reactions from critics and audiences and all of the misogynists have egg on their faces. The fact that these man children think a Paul Feig movie is going to be that bad tells me something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
