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⊃∪∩⪽ | Legendary | October 22 2021 | Denis Villeneuve | Returns to IMAX on December 3

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1 hour ago, lorddemaxus said:

His boxoffice history is good. You keep bringing up a R-rated sequel to a boxoffice flop (that was made by Ridley Scott, who has also had his fair share of other flops so not sure why you're bringing him) which is kinda unfair, espescially when it did fine for the kind of film it was. Arrival and Prisoners were hit and Sicario did ok.

The threshold for those is a hell of a lot lower than what Dunes going to need to make to get Part 2 greenlit. Arrival and Prisoners were in the 40 million range. Dune is 4-5 times more expensive than that.

 

12 hours ago, ThomasNicole said:

WB is really commited with Dune. 

 

At this point i doubt they would made a Part 1 movie and a TV series only to scrap the Part 2 movie.

 

 

 

 

Again: not a guarantee of a sequel. Until they give the greenlight, likely after this one is released, there's no telling what could happen. Matthew McConaughey was going to reprise his Dark Tower character for The Stand and that never wound up happening. Plans change all the time.

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1 minute ago, SpiderByte said:

The threshold for those is a hell of a lot lower than what Dunes going to need to make to get Part 2 greenlit. Arrival and Prisoners were in the 40 million range. Dune is 4-5 times more expensive than that.

And Dune quite clearly has more anticipation than Arrival and Prisoners lol. At this point it also has more anticipation than Blade Runner 2049.

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2 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

And Dune quite clearly has more anticipation than Arrival and Prisoners lol. At this point it also has more anticipation than Blade Runner 2049.

Anticipation and awareness does not necessarily mean jack shit. Detective Pikachu had crazy trailer view numbers that absolutely did not translate into comparable box office.

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I think Dune should do better than BR2049 unless HBO Max really causes an issue. It's just looks like a much more crowdpleasing and enjoyable film. As much as I liked 2049 it was a very dark and depressing movie. 

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2 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Anticipation and awareness does not necessarily mean jack shit. Detective Pikachu had crazy trailer view numbers that absolutely did not translate into comparable box office.

No, it definitely correlates with box office success. It's crazy to me that you're trying to pass off awareness as irrelevant, but keep bringing up the boxoffice take of an unrelated movie as the one predictor we should be using (which apparently means that Dune is gonna flop...).

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6 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Anticipation and awareness does not necessarily mean jack shit. Detective Pikachu had crazy trailer view numbers that absolutely did not translate into comparable box office.

So you can only give me the one movie that people have been bringing up for the past two years when a non-Marvel or Star Wars movie manages to rack up quite anticipation (I remember when people said this when GvK's trailers was doing quite well too). Seems to me like Pikachu is an exception (video game related stuff in general have overinflated hype on the internet, and unlike Pikachu, Dune isn't a video game movie).

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13 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

The threshold for those is a hell of a lot lower than what Dunes going to need to make to get Part 2 greenlit. Arrival and Prisoners were in the 40 million range. Dune is 4-5 times more expensive than that.

 

Again: not a guarantee of a sequel. Until they give the greenlight, likely after this one is released, there's no telling what could happen. Matthew McConaughey was going to reprise his Dark Tower character for The Stand and that never wound up happening. Plans change all the time.

Dark Tower is not really a good comparisson with Dune which not only have Part 1 on it's title (which means Part 2 is at least in pre production), but also a TV series.

 

Of course nothing is guaranteed, but they are comitted with it, the only way i see they cancel everything is if Dune bomb hard ala In The Heights which seems highly unlikely at this point.

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19 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

Anticipation and awareness does not necessarily mean jack shit. Detective Pikachu had crazy trailer view numbers that absolutely did not translate into comparable box office.

I can't help but feel like people viewed it as a fun proof of concept trailer, but were largely uninterested in seeing a full movie about that. It also, along with Godzilla 2, got lost in the shuffle of the incredibly packed summer 2019 slate. It's pretty telling that the last time we heard of any mention of a sequel was two and a half years ago, and that was before the movie actually came out. Justice Smith, the live action lead, came out a couple of months ago and claimed that a sequel was unlikely. I wonder if Legendary will ever do anything else with that IP. They'll probably let it lapse and Illumination will likely pick up the license.

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3 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

If a talented director were enough to drive people to Dune then the 80s one would have done better.

 

Its not the talented director but the product he delivers. The 80s one clearly wasn't up to scratch, even though it has its fans.

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5 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

If a talented director were enough to drive people to Dune then the 80s one would have done better.

 

It's impressive how people keep ignoring the fact that the 80s movie was a complete disaster.

 

Critics didn't like it, general audiences didn't like it, fans straight up hated it.

 

Which director can make a hated movie avoid failure? No matter how talent the director is if nobody like the movie, including Lynch which publicy said upon release that he hated the final cut.

 

And even talking about the directors themselves, we can't ignore that Dune was just the third Lynch movie, he wasn't that recognizible when Dune came out.

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15 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

Dark Tower is not really a good comparisson with Dune which not only have Part 1 on it's title (which means Part 2 is at least in pre production), but also a TV series.

 

Of course nothing is guaranteed, but they are comitted with it, the only way i see they cancel everything is if Dune bomb hard ala In The Heights which seems highly unlikely at this point.

 

Dune is not being advertised as a part one, and the director himself has said it's not greenlit. It's not "secretly in pre production". From the man himself, talking about HBO Maxs potential impact on the film

 

"Streaming can produce great content, but not movies of “Dune’s” scope and scale. Warner Bros.’ decision means “Dune” won’t have the chance to perform financially in order to be viable and piracy will ultimately triumph. Warner Bros. might just have killed the “Dune” franchise. This one is for the fans. AT&T’s John Stankey said that the streaming horse left the barn. In truth, the horse left the barn for the slaughterhouse."

 

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/dune-denis-villeneuve-blasts-warner-bros-1234851270/

 

Even if we accepted that awareness was a guarantee that people would see it, that does not mean they would be guaranteed to see it in theaters.

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5 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

How are the trailer views? 

5M on YouTube, almost 4M on twitter, official accounts only.

 

Seems good, not very distant of Shang Chi second trailer for example. (Also way better than Suicide Squad second and third trailers)

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Just now, SpiderByte said:

Dune is not being advertised as a part one, and the director himself has said it's not greenlit. It's not "secretly in pre production". From the man himself, talking about HBO Maxs potential impact on the film

 

"Streaming can produce great content, but not movies of “Dune’s” scope and scale. Warner Bros.’ decision means “Dune” won’t have the chance to perform financially in order to be viable and piracy will ultimately triumph. Warner Bros. might just have killed the “Dune” franchise. This one is for the fans. AT&T’s John Stankey said that the streaming horse left the barn. In truth, the horse left the barn for the slaughterhouse."

 

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/dune-denis-villeneuve-blasts-warner-bros-1234851270/

 

But Part 1 will be on the movie to everyone who go see it.

 

Do you really came with a december article to prove your point?

 

Let's go then, in December Villeneuve are riot against HBO Max to the entire media see it. Now the movie is confirmed to HBO Max and he is not complaining about it, so... See how things change in 8 months?

 

Again, nobody here is saying is guaranteed. But ignoring the fact that they make a global event this week on IMAX presenting the movie as Part 1 and yesterday Villeneuve was confirmed to help directing the HBO Max series is nonsense. I said they are commited with this franchise, which clearly they are, it's just a fact.

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2 minutes ago, ThomasNicole said:

Again, nobody here is saying is guaranteed. But ignoring the fact that they make a global event this week on IMAX presenting the movie as Part 1 and yesterday Villeneuve was confirmed to help directing the HBO Max series is nonsense. I said they are commited with this franchise, which clearly they are, it's just a fact.

WB commits to a lot of franchises that don't wins up going anywhere. Remember Ava Duvernays New Gods movie? Or about the other 70 percent of DC movies that they announce, attach talent to and then never materialize?

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Just now, SpiderByte said:

WB commits to a lot of franchises that don't wins up going anywhere. Remember Ava Duvernays New Gods movie? Or about the other 70 percent of DC movies that they announce, attach talent to and then never materialize?

This is a Legendary film. 

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5 minutes ago, SpiderByte said:

If we accepted that awareness was a guarantee that people would see it, that does not mean they would be guaranteed to see it in theaters.

If WB is interested in guarantee people will see it in theaters, they should make it theatrical exclusive 

 

If they are going with HBO Max plans they know a portion of audience will see it at home and dry part of the box office, especially because there is also a new variant spreading globally.

 

 

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