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[Ryan Reynolds]

Dune as popular as John Carter?

[elcaballero]

2 hours ago, TMP said:

 

Design porn.

[Valonqar]

5 hours ago, Ryan Reynolds said:

Dune as popular as John Carter?

lol no. Dune is way more popular and known than pulpy Princess of Mars books (actually, barely anyone knew WTF John Carter was, for everyone knew about PoM thanks to Frazetta painting). 

[The Futurist]

4 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

lol no. Dune is way more popular and known than pulpy Princess of Mars books (actually, barely anyone knew WTF John Carter was, for everyone knew about PoM thanks to Frazetta painting). 

Sure but John Carter is even more seminal than Dune is.

[JGAR4LIFE]

At best this should pull $400M WW. Musicals are on a rise and with West Side Story being one of the most iconic ones, I could see the remake pulling more this December.

[TMP]

16 minutes ago, JGAR4LIFE said:

At best this should pull $400M WW. Musicals are on a rise and with West Side Story being one of the most iconic ones, I could see the remake pulling more this December.

There is such little audience overlap between the two, not to mention it's unlikely that a WSS remake would do much more than Greatest Showman. 

[Valonqar]

Eh, Joker was a lock to make less than Venom due to OS and look what happened. We'll know more then we see previews. if it's just icy cool visual thingy like BR2049 than sure, 400M is gonna be the ceiling. But if it sells characters (which comatose Gosling didn't) than much more. 

Edited January 29, 2020 by Valonqar

[JWR]

4 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Eh, Joker was a lock to make less than Venom due to OS and look what happened. We'll know more then we see previews. if it's just icy cool visual thingy like BR2049 than sure, 400M is gonna be the ceiling. But if it sells characters (which comatose Gosling didn't) than much more. 

Joker benefitted from controversy ginned up by the media and the publicity created by the filmmakers. Unless Denis Villeneuve makes some remarks about the election or something like that, I don't know if that's the best comparison.

[Valonqar]

Controversy doesn't always help and those who were pushing for controversy were clearly tryin to sabotage the movie not help it. No studio welcomes demands that your movie gets pulled out of at least Aurora cinemas because of fear that there would be mass shootings. What happened is that GA was smarter than Cancel Culture Mob and went to see the movie cause it looked awesome and then spread the word that it was awesome. While CCM was praying that someone shoots people to prove them right and that didn't happen as anyone with little brain knew it wouldn't. And then AMPAS flipped the bird to Film Twitter and nominated Joker for 11 awards cause they thought it was awesome. 

 

Point being, controversy is a tricky thing so studios prefer there's none. It's very rare that it helps but in this case it's the appeal of the movie rather than controversy alone.

[JWR]

1 minute ago, Valonqar said:

Controversy doesn't always help and those who were pushing for controversy were clearly tryin to sabotage the movie not help it. No studio welcomes demands that your movie gets pulled out of at least Aurora cinemas because of fear that there would be mass shootings. What happened is that GA was smarter than Cancel Culture Mob and went to see the movie cause it looked awesome and then spread the word that it was awesome. While CCM was praying that someone shoots people to prove them right and that didn't happen as anyone with little brain knew it wouldn't. And then AMPAS flipped the bird to Film Twitter and nominated Joker for 11 awards cause they thought it was awesome. 

 

Point being, controversy is a tricky thing so studios prefer there's none. It's very rare that it helps but in this case it's the appeal of the movie rather than controversy alone.

Eh, Joker got that many nominations more due to popularity and less the actual quality of the film (But that's neither here nor there). Also, Joker was also a well-known and iconic character even amongst people who had never read comics. Dune is another story altogether.

[Valonqar]

Dune isn't unknown and there's considerable built-in fandom. So it should do well. 

[JWR]

18 minutes ago, Valonqar said:

Dune isn't unknown and there's considerable built-in fandom. So it should do well. 

It's not that Dune is unknown and has no fanbase, it's that Dune isn't as well-known or iconic. For this movie to do well, it will need the support of mainstream audiences as well.

Edited January 29, 2020 by JWR

[JGAR4LIFE]

8 minutes ago, JWR said:

It's not that Dune is unknown and has no fanbase, it's that Dunt isn't as well-known or iconic. For this movie to do well, it will need the support of mainstream audiences as well.

That’s true.

 

Dont get me wrong I want this to succeed but isn’t the source material too philosophical for audiences?

[MrGlass2]

Dune is one of the best-selling science-fiction books of all-time but the fanbase is older, the movie won't necessarily "explode" on social media. There is a lot of potential if Chalamet and Isaac don't doom the project. Not to mention Villeneuve's lack of mainstream appeal, so far at least, but hopefully he has learned something from the fantastic BR2049 failure at the box office. Momoa is hot at the moment and would be involved if sequels happen, so he should get a more prominent role than in the novel.

[JWR]

1 minute ago, JGAR4LIFE said:

That’s true.

 

Dont get me wrong I want this to succeed but isn’t the source material too philosophical for audiences?

If they market and promote it the right way, it could do reasonably well. Maybe even add a trailer or IMAX sneak peek at The Batman to spice up the deal.

[Valonqar]

Many properties that aren't GA household names crossover to GA.

 

As for older readers, that's not true for I'm a teenager and it's one of my favorite books. Also, the cast has a Chalamet, Zendaya and Momoa who are popular with teens. 

[The Futurist]

1 hour ago, Valonqar said:

Eh, Joker was a lock to make less than Venom due to OS and look what happened. We'll know more then we see previews. if it's just icy cool visual thingy like BR2049 than sure, 400M is gonna be the ceiling. But if it sells characters (which comatose Gosling didn't) than much more. 

Dune characters are not lame victims like the Joker, they don't swim in their mediocrity.

They fight.

Not very politely.

They Jihad.

 

I have no idea how the characters from Dune can be somewhat cool to GA byt we ll see.

 

[Napoleon]

The source material doesn't need to be popular. The vast majority of moviegoers don't read, yet they go see adaptations of books and comic books all the time.

[Valonqar]

3 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Dune characters are not lame victims like the Joker, they don't swim in their mediocrity.

They fight.

Not very politely.

They Jihad.

 

I have no idea how the characters from Dune can be somewhat cool to GA byt we ll see.

 

Paul is a cypher. Duke Leto is a boring incompetent do-gooder. Chani is Paul's fanatical baby mama compeltely defined by her devotion to Paul. 

 

However, characters that rock are:

 

Jessica

Stil

Baron

Gurney

Mohiam

Feyd

 

Mind you, Paul and Chani have room for improvement especially since the cut off is likely going to be before the time jump. That way, the very jarring change in Paul's character (he appears to be a completely different person) is going to flow better in Pt 2 than it does in direct continuation in the book. And Chani is a nothing character in the book so giving her anything is a big plus already. 

 

Also, shorten time we spend with Duke Leto and get to the Fremen faster and boom you have a hit.

[The Futurist]

A blockbuster lives and dies by its 

 

tone.