Zootopia vs. Moana

[cannastop]

Alright, WDAS released two movies in one year. Which one do you prefer?

[WrathOfHan]

Both are pretty close, but Moana has the edge in my book.

[elcaballero]

I still love Zootopia, perhaps to a fault, and it gets the edge for me, but the fact that I had to think about it for a moment is a testament to Moana's quality. 

[The Panda]

I just got out of Moana, so my brain would quickly go to it, but if I think back for a second, Id definitely go with Zootopia.  Both are great movies though, and both deserve the Oscar.

[Jason]

I think Moana is going to end up being one of my all-time favourites (just saw it today). Zootopia wins because it is my all-time favourite.

 

The friend I saw Moana with also liked Zootopia more. Obviously there will be people for whom Moana will be the better movie, but I can't help but wonder if Moana coming so soon after Zootopia might cause it to suffer by comparison.

[The Panda]

Thinking back again I'd give the edge to Zootopia, it's edgier and riskier than Moana.  It's also relevant and innovative.

 

However, Moana gave me serious Lion King level vibes, and that speaks a lot for it.

[AniNate]

The compare/contrast of the movies is interesting, as I think Zootopia represents Disney looking forward and Moana looking backwards. Someone in college could probably write an impressive thesis on it.

 

I love both, but Zootopia gets the edge.

[Jayhawk the Hutt]

I liked Moana a bit more. Zootopia is more original and very good, but I felt that Moana hit the traditional Disney musical beats about as well as a movie can. Both are extremely high quality though. The real winner is Disney.

[Morieris]

They're both very close, and I truly love them both.

 

Moana has way more heart and lovely music but Zootopia has two things it doesn't - a character that grows and a world you can constantly revisit to explore. 

[water]

moana is the best movie of the year and one of the best movies of all time

[AniNate]

I think Zootopia has the edge in the "heart" department too, personally. 

[cannastop]

4 minutes ago, tribefan695 said:

I think Zootopia has the edge in the "heart" department too, personally. 

What does heart mean to you?

[AniNate]

As far as Moana goes I think it was a byproduct of the familiar story that the emotional beats it goes for don't always hit as hard as they're intended to  (and in fairness, there are still plenty that really hit). With Zootopia I felt pretty much everything Nick and Judy went through both in their own lives and in their relationship with each other.

Edited December 1, 2016 by tribefan695

[Kalo]

Zootopia is amazing, Moana is really good, but parts of it fell flat for me.

[AniNate]

The big case in point would be Maui quitting and coming back five minutes later without real explanation. The falling out was handled a lot better in Zootopia

[Arlo245]

Moana surprisingly almost took the spot for me (I'm a crazy Zootopia fan/addict). I really loved how real and organic it felt (especially the character of Moana) and it got me more emotional, oh and I loved the atmospheric musical numbers; however, Zootopia just blew my mind when I watched it. It felt so relevant and important and I think the main characters are a tad bit more entertaining than Moana's side by side.

 

Animation: Can't Decide

Theme: Zootopia (hands down)

Characters: Zootopia (This was hard because the character of Moana felt so real, and Maui got more development than I thought he would get. Also I really liked Grandma Tala.)

Emotion: Moana

Story: Can't Decide (Believe it or not, theme-aside, Zootopia's story had a lot of cliche moments in its mystery storyline, and is formulaic much like Moana, both executed wonderfully.)

Humour: Moana (That chicken! I found myself laughing more in Moana. Zootopia got me thinking more often than laughing.)

Music/Score/Atmosphere: Moana (although, I loved Zootopia's score and the feeling it gave me. Loved the song as well)

World-building: Zootopia

Concept: Zootopia 

Action/Intensity: Can't decide (Both got very intense, with high stakes)

 

Overall Impact: Zootopia (4 to 3)

[Morieris]

Part of me thinks that, if BP remains at the 40% guaranteed level it is, Zootopia might sneak in.

 

 

I know. It would never win, but it's a relatively open category this year, has nearly universal acclaim, relevant to the times (especially with how the message can be taken so many ways).

 

How does it relate to this? Because in a year where Disney has two pictures that are both almost pitch perfect, one still manages to have crossover appeal. This isn't " I like this movie because I like Disney in general and i'm a kid at heart.", this is people who don't give Disney a second thought on a normal basis looking at Zootopia and going "Holy shit.". That's an amazing thing to achieve. 

Edited December 3, 2016 by Morieris

[cannastop]

44 minutes ago, Morieris said:

Part of me thinks that, if BP remains at the 40% guaranteed level it is, Zootopia might sneak in.

 

 

I know. It would never win, but it's a relatively open category this year, has nearly universal acclaim, relevant to the times (especially with how the message can be taken so many ways).

 

How does it relate to this? Because in a year where Disney has two pictures that are both almost pitch perfect, one still manages to have crossover appeal. This isn't " I like this movie because I like Disney in general and i'm a kid at heart.", this is people who don't give Disney a second thought on a normal basis looking at Zootopia and going "Holy shit.". That's an amazing thing to achieve. 

There's like a 0% chance that Zootopia gets a Best Picture nod at the Oscars. That's what you're saying, right? It's at 44th place on goldderby in the Best Picture category. Screenplay is already a longshot, but Best Picture is out of the question, just going by predictions from experts.

Edited December 3, 2016 by cannastop

[AniNate]

I don't think the adult support for Zootopia is strong enough to overcome the ghetto, especially with the competition this year.

[Jason]

44 minutes ago, Morieris said:

Part of me thinks that, if BP remains at the 40% guaranteed level it is, Zootopia might sneak in.

 

 

I know. It would never win, but it's a relatively open category this year, has nearly universal acclaim, relevant to the times (especially with how the message can be taken so many ways).

 

How does it relate to this? Because in a year where Disney has two pictures that are both almost pitch perfect, one still manages to have crossover appeal. This isn't " I like this movie because I like Disney in general and i'm a kid at heart.", this is people who don't give Disney a second thought on a normal basis looking at Zootopia and going "Holy shit.". That's an amazing thing to achieve. 

 

Not sure what you meant by BP at 40% guaranteed level? Anyway, it's very hard for me to imagine Zootopia sneaking in after Inside Out missing a nomination last year. I think it's related to the rule change they instituted in 2011 that requires nominees to achieve a 5% threshold of support from essentially just first-choice support, with very limited opportunity to gain support from down the ballot. (It's super-complicated, but they use modifications to STV to ensure only a small amount of second choice and third choice votes will actually count, and essentially none beyond that.)

 

If Zootopia somehow does manage to meet that bar (colour me surprised), it will be for the reasons you've mentioned. Particularly the political timeliness.