Spaghetti and The Panda Present: THE FIFTH ANNUAL BOFFY AWARDS! La La Land, Arrival, and Zootopia Lead the Pack!

[riczhang]

56 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

Do believe that Manchester and Silence both still have a spot open

 

Can we write more than one? If not, I'll take Silence. 

[Ethan Hunt]

Just now, riczhang said:

 

Can we write more than one? If not, I'll take Silence. 

Yeah. I'm writing for both La La Land and Manchester

[Avatree]

What was decided, are we ranking the nominations or picking a winner?

@Spaghetti by the Sea 

[Jake Gittes]

28 minutes ago, Manchester by the Tree said:

What was decided, are we ranking the nominations or picking a winner?

@Spaghetti by the Sea 

 

Ranking.

[franfar]

So do we just PM either @The Panda or @Spaghetti by the Sea one pick per category?

[The Panda]

24 minutes ago, franfar said:

So do we just PM either @The Panda or @Spaghetti by the Sea one pick per category?

 

Rank the nominees and pm them to both me and Spaghetti.  If you haven't seen a film, you can either not rank it or rank it last.

 

 

[franfar]

3 minutes ago, The Panda said:

 

Rank the nominees and pm them to both me and Spaghetti.  If you haven't seen a film, you can either not rank it or rank it last.

 

 

If we haven't seen any of the films on the list, do we just skip that section

[riczhang]

1 hour ago, The Panda said:

 

Rank the nominees and pm them to both me and Spaghetti.  If you haven't seen a film, you can either not rank it or rank it last.

 

 

 

Question, for the voting are we doing it AMPAS style where only your first vote counts and then votes get redistributed until a nominee has 50% + 1 of the votes or are we doing like a weighted system where your first choice gets like 5 points, second choice 4 points, and so on? 

[4815162342]

3 minutes ago, riczhang said:

 

Question, for the voting are we doing it AMPAS style where only your first vote counts and then votes get redistributed until a nominee has 50% + 1 of the votes or are we doing like a weighted system where your first choice gets like 5 points, second choice 4 points, and so on? 

 

They're doing it preferential ballot style

Edited February 13, 2017 by 4815162342

[Jason]

21 minutes ago, riczhang said:

Question, for the voting are we doing it AMPAS style where only your first vote counts and then votes get redistributed until a nominee has 50% + 1 of the votes or are we doing like a weighted system where your first choice gets like 5 points, second choice 4 points, and so on? 

 

On 1/27/2017 at 8:07 PM, The Panda said:

The winner must have 50% or more #1 votes, if it doesn't, then the bottom ranked contender will be eliminated and whoever ranked it at number 1's vote will then go to their number two choice and so on.

 

So the same system AMPAS uses for picking the Best Picture winner - instant-runoff voting (IRV).

 

25 minutes ago, 4815162342 said:

They're doing it preferential ballot style

 

Both of the systems he described are a form of preferential balloting.

[4815162342]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

 

So the same system AMPAS uses for picking the Best Picture winner - instant-runoff voting (IRV).

 

 

Both of the systems he described are a form of preferential balloting.

 

Technically true but ric knows which one I mean in terms of awards voting by using that term.

[riczhang]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

 

 

So the same system AMPAS uses for picking the Best Picture winner - instant-runoff voting (IRV).

 

 

Both of the systems he described are a form of preferential balloting.

 

Thanks. I feel like the distinction actually makes a big impact in terms of voting strategy. 

[The Panda]

10 hours ago, franfar said:

If we haven't seen any of the films on the list, do we just skip that section

 

Yeah, or go ahead and be that go who voted without seeing.  We'll never know the difference.

 

But honestly, you're allowed to abstain from categories if you haven't seen any of the nominees in it.

Edited February 13, 2017 by The Panda

[The Panda]

8 hours ago, 4815162342 said:

 

Technically true but ric knows which one I mean in terms of awards voting by using that term.

 

Yeah IRV or straight Preferential wouldn't change your voting strategy, but a points system would.  So that's good to clear up.

 

We're doing Preferential/IRV, so there's no reason to rank nominees in any strategic way really, just rank them based on how you prefer them.  Your number 1 choice gets all of your vote, then if it gets eliminated, your number 2, and if that's eliminated, then your number 3, and so forth.  

 

So if you liked La La Land at about 5th, but don't want to help its winning chances against your 1-4th, ranking it anywhere from 5th - 10th will have the same impact on your 1-4s chances.  Thus there's no strategic gain to rank the nominees in anyway besides how you prefer them.

Edited February 13, 2017 by The Panda

[riczhang]

I think that like if you're like very against a movie then you're better off ranking someone that you don't like as much higher on your list than your actual faves on the off chance that your actual faves are  strong enough to not get redistributed so that at least you've voted for someone with a realistic shot of winning. 

[Jason]

3 hours ago, riczhang said:

I think that like if you're like very against a movie then you're better off ranking someone that you don't like as much higher on your list than your actual faves on the off chance that your actual faves are  strong enough to not get redistributed so that at least you've voted for someone with a realistic shot of winning. 

 

This is a bit difficult to parse for me. But essentially, in IRV, since your first, second, third choices etc. are only counted if all of the preceding (ie. higher) choices have already been eliminated, you can never help or harm your favoured choice based on how you rank your lower choices. Essentially what @The Panda described above, worded a little differently.

 

Also, any ballot that has at least all but one of the choices ranked (e.g. 4/5 in a five nominee category) is guaranteed to be "counted" in IRV, since the final round of counting must have at least two choices remaining. So another advantage of IRV is not having to worry about whether you've voted for a nominee with a chance of winning.

 

If you're really only interested in harming a movie you absolutely hate, then it is occasionally possible (under very specific circumstances) for the order of your higher choices to make a difference in getting it eliminated, but not in a way that is predictable unless you have detailed and fairly precise information about the full ballot preferences (ie. all of their preferences, in order) of the other voters. Since we don't have that information, any form of strategic voting is far more likely to harm a nominee you actually prefer than it is to hurt the one you hate.

 

TL;DR: It's a very, very bad idea to submit anything other your honest preferences.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Jason
reworded something to make it more clear

[The Panda]

Also I feel like if you're really against a movie winning, you probably like the movies you ranked above it more anyways.

[aabattery]

How many ballots have you got so far? @Spaghetti by the Sea@The Panda

[The Panda]

3 minutes ago, AABATTERY said:

How many ballots have you got so far? @Spaghetti by the Sea@The Panda

 

More than Hunt for the Wilderpeople got in the Top 25 of 2016 list 

[aabattery]

4 minutes ago, The Panda said:

 

More than Hunt for the Wilderpeople got in the Top 25 of 2016 list